my new friend (my dog)

[speedy]

My dog Zeus is our mate and looks out for our property especially my workshop. I need some advice, old Bruce went and got cancer and passed away http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//frown.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//frown.gif but before he did I got Zeus http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif(staffy/boxer). He is a 2nd hand dog and intelligent but likes to check out the local neighbourhood when I`m not home. Already he has broken out through the trellis gate twice. I need plans for a simple mains or battery energiser to educate him as I`m sick of repairing the gate and lying in wait to catch and reprimand the little begger! http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//mad.gif
I cant seem to locate anything on the net. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//confused.gif

Help please

Ken NZ
This is my new mate, Zeus, at the scene of the crime. He`s 2 1/2yrs old and can run like the wind.

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[sandman2234]

I have a Chocolate Lab that climbs trees to get out of the backyard. Cut the tree, and she learned to climb chainlink. Even with a chain and anchor, she will still go over it.
Too big a weight to drag around is the only thing that keeps her on this side of the fence. Goes off whoring around, and getting trashy (garbage cans).
Went to have her fixed and found out she was pregnant again! Vet wouldn't do anything till she had them. Electric fence does slow her down, but won't stop her.
David from jax

[ibewgypsie]

Animals have brains. Sometimes that is a problem. If a horse, cow, pig or dog gets used to running around you can't contain them.

A RF fence helps.. BObby uses one to retain his Rottweillers. I looked out one day and the male dog ran the neighbors into thier house. He lives in a ritzi neighborhood next to a lake. I told him if it was my wife and kids, I'd shoot the dog in his yard and dare him to say something about it. He adgreed he'd do the same and put up the radio fence.

He has them inside a chainlink in addition to the RF fence now. If a dog runs through the fence they can't get back through it.

I got a aggressive dog. He bites the wire when a stranger comes into the yard. When My wife or I come home he wiggles his whole rear end in happiness.

That scares me for liability issues.

Don't know what the answer is for you.

MY dog knowes 30 words now.. He understands each of them.. THe fastest word he has learned is "WATCH OUT" he learned that word on just ONE occasion.. when I say that, he looks around to see what is happening. (I burned him with the cutting torch slag)
I raised him from a baby.. it has been a adventure. He is 10 months old now.


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[Arbo]

You might want to check into the wireless invisible fence. No wires to bury, just plug in a transmitter. When the dog gets too far away from the transmitter, he gets the correction. No running through the zone. The range is adjustable, and seems to work well. It took me two days to train my boxer, and never did put up the little white flags. The secret seems to be, that they must get the shock a few times during the training session. Thor hears the beep, and immediately turns around now!

[jfsmith]

One of my friends has a white sheppard who climbed over fences, dug under them, endured the pain of one of those invisible fences. Finally, he chained the dog to a tree with enough chain to get within 5 feet of the property line. The dog is now contained, but the chain has worn the bark off of the tree.

Jerry

[PSD KEN]

My brother has a Rottweiler who sort of enjoys the wireless fence, he will stand there and viberate. (I think the dog is no smarter than my brother)

[lynnl]

Careful there Ken. We might start thinking it runs in the family. (joking of course)

[rmatel]

Start with a trip to the vet. Neutering doesn't always help with roamin' but works more often than not.
Bob

[Guero]

My brother has a Lab and uses an RF fence/collar. The Lab only had to do the funky chicken a couple of times before it learned the boundaries. The problem was my brother's cat. It also learned the boundaries and then would sit immediately outside the boundary and bait the Lab. You watch domestic animals for a while and then you understand where Warner Brothers got all their ideas for their cartoons.

[Al Flipo]

Kennels should be strictly controlled and licensed, and some people should be prohibition by law to own pets and kids.


“Went to have her fixed and found out she was pregnant again!”..???

“He chained the dog to a tree with enough chain to get within 5 feet of the property line. The dog is now contained, but the chain has worn the bark off of the tree.”

Nice friend Jerry, why don’t you chain him to a tree 24/7.



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[Arbo]

Al,

I sat and thought a few minutes before I decided to reply. The more I thought...the more upset I got.

Pets can be alot like people. There are some that are incorragble. I suppose you also think that all of the criminals should be let out of the prisons, because it is inhumane to keep them there. I have had several dogs in my life that can't be controlled. The first...I shot him between the eyes when I was twelve years old. I had decided that he had chased deer for the last time.

I had a German Shepherd that was downright retarded. I pawned her off on some unsuspecting woman who thought she was cute.

I now have one who runs off everytime he gets the chance. One time when he broke his chain, I took a fine from dog law enforcement because I didn't control him. The only thing that has kept him alive is the fact that my kids like him. I can hardly wait til he dies of old age. It should be soon...I hope.

It isn't that I don't like dogs, I love them. But it is an animal without a soul. If an inferior animal can be kept from reproducing it's blood line, then it should be done by whatever means necessary.

OK, rant over now...Let the flaming begin.

[ibewgypsie]

I have had pitt bulldogs in my life.. Quite a few. I had I think seven at once.

Some of them pitts that are inbred are not worth the .22 shell it takes to end thier life.

Dogs are like people, they are a combination of thier breed/bloodline and the sum of all effects upon thier life. People are the same way. ( I am a mutt )

I have had dogs that had to stay on a chain. They'd bite anyone that came close enough to be bitten. Them're dangerous dogs including to the owner and family. I have had animals that refuse to stay put up and under control, one way or another I got rid of them.. see paragraphs above...

The worst one was a plott hound - pitt bulldog mix.. he'd kill everything that came within his reach. I had a malmute that was the same way, looked out and he had the neighbors cow down. That was his last day, he should've stayed in the fence.

Dogs are not people. I like people less. But a pet owner has to assume the responsibility to handle any situation that might arise no matter how distasteful. Who is in charge? Who is the kept individual the pet or the owner?

Carrol says we keep her cat captive, Hostage.. won't let him out.. he is declawed but he thinks he'd like to live outside.. Sometimes I think I'd like him to be outside with my pup.. (hairball in the shoe anyone?

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[Al Flipo]

“I suppose you also think that all of the criminals should be let out of the prisons, because it is inhumane to keep them there.”

On the contrary, my concern is with the humane treatment of animals.

“But it is an animal without a soul. If an inferior animal can be kept from reproducing it's blood line, then it should be done by whatever means necessary.”

How do you know that?

[Al Flipo]

David wrote.
“Dogs are not people. I like people less. But a pet owner has to assume the responsibility to handle any situation that might arise no matter how distasteful. Who is in charge? Who is the kept individual the pet or the owner?”

These dogs are unpredictable and a good argument could be made for the elimination of the breed altogether.
It seems that some people buying these dogs use them as a fashion statement.

[lynnl]

I recall reading a statistic a coupla yrs ago that showed more dog bites were attributed to Golden Retrievers than any other breed. Seemed hard to believe.
Frankly it has appeared to me that the Rottweilors have been responsible for most of the savage (deaths/maiming) attacks that I've read about.

[Flash319]

Ya dogs are not people. There brains are not that big either but people seem to think that because a dog acts a certain way that it is harmless/dangerous. People are the problem. Any dog can savagly kill something or someone. It is weather the owner has treated the dog properly and that the dog knows that it is not good to bite people. No matter what, if any dog, or animal for that matter is put in the right circumstances it will disregard all that it has been taught. This is a fact the stupid people and stupid owners don't get. It is an animal not a person. People are way to arogant and think they know how animals and things work sometimes. I don't feel the least bit sorry for someone who gets bit by a dog. I feel sorry for the dog because someone made it like that or put it in that situation. No matter what the breed.

Just my 2 cents....

[ibewgypsie]

I think when any breed of dog goes through the puppy factories... Unscruptulous people place "bad" inbred dogs with good litters of pups to increase income. Dogs are placed into Kennels and showed no attention whatsoever. That is all about money.

WE are a sum of our parents and experiences.
Not all dogs of any breed are bad. No breed should be destroyed because of what a few do. If you go that far you are recreateing NAZI germany.

Pittbulldogs can be the most loyal and intelligent animal friend you can have.

Problems can come when they are over protective of "thier" family children. Neighbor kids come into the yard and wrestle or play with the dogs family and he/she don't understand and takes serious action. I had one terrier that would not let me reprimand my stepchildren anywhere around him. They are a very fast and muscular creature with teeth.

But then again, any animal can have mental problems just like a person can.

I love my dog, don't want anyone to say I can or can't have Him because of his cousins.

Perhaps what I read above and agree with is that means NO irresponsible person should have children or pets of any kind. No mean person should "own" a defenseless creature.

I will care for and defend my friend the dog, but as a responsible owner will do whatever I have to protect my family and friends. If he requires being put to death or restrained I will.

Just as you should have the gumption to fill the prisons with bad people.

When you get a pet, or get married you accept the baggage/problems that comes with it.



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[PSD KEN]

Goldies are on the BOTTEM of the list of biting dogs.
Ger. Shepards are on top, Poodles are up there too.

[gundog]

I had a chocolate lab that I could not keep in the yard. He was too smart. I bought the RF fence and he figured out the shock stopped after he passed the area where the wire was buried. He would climb over a six foot fence after being shocked by the RF system. I called the RF company and they sent me a stronger unit for the dog. He would walk up to the wire and you could see his neck muscles twitch from the shock and he would jump the fence. If I was there he would not leave. But as soon as I was gone he would get out of the yard. He would see my truck and jump back in the yard like he was never gone. I ended up giving him to a man with a ranch it was a shame because I had hundreds of hours in training him to hunt and I had a close bond but my neighbors were complaining so he had to go I had ran out of options.

I used to raise Australian Shepherds and only had 1 mean one of the 50 or so raised. They were all brought up the same. Some dogs just like people aren't worth a **** no mater how they are raised. That is why we have prisons for people and the humane society for dogs or bullet between the eyes for either. As you can gather I am not a flaming liberal.
Mike

[BillH]

I bet German Shepards are on the top of the list because of police dogs.
Anyhow, my neighbors dog here is a Boxer/PitBull mix. Has the Pitbull head, which I like a lot more than a boxer. Anyhow, this dog is very sweet, nice dog. Also leaves my uncles cat alone, and his owners cat as well.
Neigbhor though did say it took tremendous effort to make this dog that way.
What I heard about, and scares me, just like people, when they are in numbers, they feel invincible.
This dog ran over to other neighbors yards, got his dog, and they started running around together, all of a sudden, my uncles cat no longer seamed hands off. In either case, my uncles cat ran up the tree, and now is affraid to go outside, and this cat is an outdoor cat who would make Saddam Hussein proud by how he tortures anything smaller than he is.
I dont know, I guess it don't really matter the breed, watch out for packs of dogs, the rules seam to change in their minds. Ofcourse if any of those dogs made a move to attack my uncles cat, I wouldn't hessitate to blow their heads off.

[Flash319]

So Bill, you would kill an animal because it is doing what it is sopose to? Cats are lower on the food chain. I love cats and have one. If a dog ate my cat then the cat was not worth having.

Also the pack thing. Get a group of guys together say....a wrestling match, what happends? Funny how much a like everything is.

[BillH]

Hell Yes I would, cause im on the TOP of the food chain, dog better not piss me off.
I wonder how good dog tastes.

[speedy]

BillH, surely you`ve tried Chinese food? Only joking with you.!? http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//tongue.gif I`ve eaten horse a number of times and recommend it to you all, it is real lean and tasty.
I can see that there is varied opinion amongst us on the subject of dogs.
The gate I`ve got is steel frame with trellis attached and what I`m looking to make is a livestock type unit that will shock the beejezez out of him ( I know that they work for me, I avoid touching them at every opertunity. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//eek.gif:eek http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gifwhen he makes contact; I do not wish to hurt him cause if I did I would have kicked the sh*t out of him by now. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif
I will run a number of 2 wires(zap + earth) I know I could buy a unit but $$$ and the need to make things prevent this. I have a couple of transformers and large capacitors here, so I need the instructions please.
He is a quick learner but just needs that immediate reprimand, the shock effect.Zeus sits, stays,heels etc I`ve gotta teach him to tow my chair, especially up-hill http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif. He isn`t as quick or bright as Bruce but no dog I know is; Bruce was my mate and a close family member, a Pitt-Bull x,and as staunch and caring as any dog could be, I`ll tell you some more about him later if anyone is interested http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif

Thanks to you all,
Ken NZ

p.s Hey BillH not one of my dogs have ever backed up and sprayed that odour over my stuff (the cats have) or **** in the vege garden so we could discover it when weeding(the cats have) The only cat I have time for are Abbysinians, if you want a cat read up about them and get one but make sure it is of the old breed line(they`re bigger and generally more sane)The next best thing to a dog, they will guard and are very loyal to their owners (and I mean THEIR owners)trust me I know we have two.

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[jr45acp]

BillH, actually dog doesn't taste bad at all! Seriously! Was once told by a Korean "in Korea, not have pet dog!"

John B

[teddy]

i have a pit.best dog i ever had.worthless as a guard dog,but i see no sense in keepin a dog that bites(got kids)(fear them more than the dog).destroying a dog because of its breeding i feel is somewhat ignorant.all dogs are different.ive seen pits that were extremely gentle,and had coondogs that were downright ferocious!just an opinion,im not at all a "peta" person.(theyre wackos)but i wouldnt condone cruelty to animals.their definition of cruel is just different than mine.

[ibewgypsie]

I for one don't understand why people don't eat dogs and cats.. they are cleaner than chickens for sure. So many good meals going to waste at the pound.

My chinese friend says they don't have a stray dog problem in china.

I have ate "YUM YUM eggrolls" and remember how good they were. They found pet skeletons in a dumpster behind the small restruant. They shut them down.. people came from all over to get them.. Myself included.. I would have kept eating them too.. they were that good.

I still love my dog, don't think I look at him licking my lips..

He got up into my lap last night, I came home sick again.. nothing like a 70 pound dog in your lap to cheer you up.. Talk to him, show him the miniscule amount of attention and he wiggles his tail stub so hard he shakes all over.. He is a good pup.. A animal knows when you don't feel well, they are caring and loving friends..


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[BillH]

Yeh, my neighbors Pit/boxer is just about the nicest dog I've seen, the cat don't think so though.
If you want to talk pro's and cons between dogs and cats, the main thing I don't like about dogs is that they crap in your yard, you step in it, walk inside the house, and by the time you find out, its TOOO late. Atleast most cats bury their crap. As for spraying, get em fixed usually fixes that.
Another nice thing about cats is that they are much more independent. Leave em lots of food and water, and you can go on vacation for a few days, get back, the cat is fine, albeit a little lonely. Don't really want to do that with dogs.
Yeh, im sure if I ever raised my hand to the neighbor, Max would bite my arm off. Where as my uncle cat would be thinking, "Geez, who is going to feed me now?" The cat though really does miss people, he gets depressed when my uncle leaves, is a lap cat, but usually just on my uncles lap.

[Carl]

Just get a Basset Hound. He'll be waiting on the porch when you get home. Of course you'll have to bring him his pipe, slippers, and newspaper, but you'll get used to it http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

[Techtchr]

Dave, I'm with you nothing like a full grown 100 pound golden retreiver jumping up on you or pushing his big mellon head against you when you don't feel well or you just don't want to talk to people. Sometimes the dogs give you better answers and are more understanding.

Ok, my wife's solution to all animal problems like wandering out of the yard and chewing on things. GET MORE ANIMALS! they are lonely and have nobody to "talk" to if they are the sole pet in the house. We have two Golden retreivers, and one mut. We let them out of the house when we are home to wander our 4 acres, and they don't visit the neighbors (much) pretty rare that they go off our property. All three are fixed. Quite honestly I'd be very surprised if they ever bit anyone, but if they wandered into a neighbors yard and they felt threatened or endangered by my dogs, I wouldn't begrudge them defending themselves against my dogs, after all my dogs were trespassing.

One last thought. The get more animals concept only works if you can afford to give the animals the proper food, medical treatment and care. There have been a few wacos around here that have had hundreds of animals confiscated from their homes because of improper care.

Matt

[speedy]

Hey BillH, when you own a dog you must get used to walking the backyard barefoot,; when you stand in it you know immediately and the sh*t never reaches the house. Children are always wanting pocket money and what better way to earn than harvesting the dog cr*p http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif"D
Mowing dry dog stuff is another pleasure of owning dogs--lovely http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//eek.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//eek.gif
Dave, Ive never fancied eating cat or dog you`ve seen where they put their tongues haven`t you http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif
I`m going to attemt to post an image of Bruce and Zeus, be patient.

Ken NZ

[CompositeEngr]

Then don't eat the tongue?

[ibewgypsie]

My buddy that passed away, he was a tattooist.. There was a woman there who was watching his PUG dog lick herself..
He asked her, don't you wish you could do that? SHe replied yes, I'd never leave the house..

His reply, well pet her first, she bites..

He was quite a character, I miss him.

People raised on a farm normally eat the pets they raise.. it is a perversion I guess.



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[wierdscience]

I have only been bitten by a dog once,my uncle had several mutts who were perfectly normal by themselves,but when they started to run together they reverted to their ancestry-wolves-.I did nothing to provoke them,I had no fear of them,but I did have some aprehension about the ring leader and he was the one that bit me.

Now,the only reason those dogs ever got started in a pack was because the leader was allowed to misbehave "becasue the kids liked him".As a result I had to take over their fathers responsibility and shoot the offenders,three dead dogs and I never shed a tear.
Left them out a few hours for the other dogs to snoop and sniff over,they got the idea from then on.

[Al Flipo]

I am surprised that our host has not pulled the plug on this thread yet.
To keep this thread somewhat relevant, I am working on two bronze cannons while my faithful Airedale terrier is sleeping on her favorite mat, safe in the knowledge that I will look after her and give her the best care from cradle to the last trip to the vet.
The character of a person can be judged on how well he threats his animals; and it’s disheartening to read some of these posts here.




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[wierdscience]

Yes dogs are great,I have one now,it goes to the doctor more than I do.It has more kinds of shampoo than I do.But it is still a dog.

I don't believe in mistreating animals period,but I don't worship them either.

[ibewgypsie]

Yess they are, pass the eggrolls please..



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[John Stevenson]

Dogs have owners, cats have staff.

We were dog sitting last week, daughter was away on holiday.
Our two Old English sheep dogs and her two dogs.
One is a Heinz 57 terrier and the other is a Neopolitian Mastiff. He's genuinely the great, great grandson of Hagrids dog in the Harry Potter movies.
Managed to get him on the goods scales while he was here, 141 pounds, daft as a brush and he's still a pup, 14 months old.

Four dogs all in the same house and not one bit of trouble.

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John S.
Nottingham, England

[wierdscience]

Don't just pick on the Asians for eating dogs,my dads first plate full was in Beruit,Lebenon,he was there in the late 50's(BEFORE THE MUSLIMS F---ED IT UP) while in the Navy,they serve it on a bed of pasta in a white suace rolled up in little meatballs,his advice-chop twice with teeth then swallow,the more you chew the bigger those little meatballs get http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

[sandman2234]

I am going to leave the quote about my dog going to the vet and finding out she was pregnant again alone.
Techtcher, numbers don't seem to help. I have the chocolate lab, a black lab, an Australian Sheppard, and two pups, from different litters of the chocolate lab.
The Australian Sheppard is named Trouble, and is marked on her chart at the Vet's as Vicous/Bites. They couldn't control her or get a muzzle on her, one time the wife took her for shots. I took her the next day and didn't even put a lease on her. She minds me very well. Vet couldn't believe it was the same dog.
The black lab is a sweetheart. Stands at the fence waiting on you to come home. Stands by the garage door waiting on me to tell her to come in, or I come out. Is a chow hound, but would rather be petted than eat.
David from jax

[vinito]

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[ibewgypsie]

If you don't get your pitt bulldog to the trainer before he turns 1 year old, there is not much they can do with them.. They are more stubborn than a goat..

My old tattooing mentor, he had a purple ribbon pedigree pitt that was attack trained.. First bite he'd grab your crotch and hold you. Much more attention getting than grabbing a arm. That dog was taught not to use the bathroom in the house, during a alcoholic binge Ken left his leash tied to the back deck rail.. He had to use the bathroom and jumped off the deck. He was a $5,000+ dog. I am still mad. I bodyguarded for him for about two years total. I never got the opportunity to get even for Dagger, but it was always in my mind.

People view dogs/cats as property including Judges and courts. A animal can sometimes choose who they "belong" to. It took me since 89 to get over the loss of my 3/4 pitt 1/4 english bulldog. I could not own another dog except working animals. Hard to get over the loss. Someone poisoned him trying to steal my 58 panhead harley. He understood so many words I could have a conversation with him and he'd understand. I guess I should've taught him to not accept food from strangers.
I'd buy him a McDonalds Hamburger, he'd unwrap it with his nose, remove the pickle and eat bread, meat and all, leave the pickle on the paper in the back seat or where-ever. He'd drink beer and eat pizza with US too.

This pup I have now has melted my old heart thou. When I see him burying things in the backyard with his nose, well...

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David Cofer, Of:
Tunnel Hill, North Georgia

[speedy]

I need some advice.
I`ve been trying to hook up onto photobucket but without success. It keeps coming back to me with my password deleted, what`s up? :confused http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//redface.gifr is there another method ? I`m not very good with this computer techo, resisted it all my life--- mistake?
appreciate any help coming my way, thanks

My old dog Bruce was a Pitbull//Greatdane/ Mastiff/Rotweiller, and we miss him-- often.

Ken NZ

I`m going to try photobucket again later, the time diff wont allow at present, see ya

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[ibewgypsie]

Speedy.. must be something new.. I accessed mine just this morning.

The sign on page is different.. I have to wipe the login blocks and enter my own.

Just accessed it again.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/ibewgypsie/Dscn0516.jpg
DOn't think I put my pup into a kennel, the back of the kennel is open to the privacy fenced in back yard where my shop is. BUTCHIE keeps the prowlers ran off. One came into the yard yesterday while I was gone and Carrol was home, he thought better of walking into the back yard, never did come to the door, Carrol went and asked him what he wanted.. I had to have a tranquilizer, she could've been killed with a screwdriver or ?? She is niave.. Never been around really mean people. Working some of the jobs I have had, I have seen all types.. If someone is in your yard and don't come to the door, they don't have your best interests at heart.

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David Cofer, Of:
Tunnel Hill, North Georgia

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