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3 Phase Lightbulb
11-27-2017, 02:36 PM
Has anyone played with a decent giant chess set? Where the king stands anywhere between 12" and 3 feet tall? I've seen some of the plastic crap they make (just online, not in person). I've been wanting to make a ~16" tall chess set out of wood but have been recently thinking how this could be done with alum plate and round stock. Even if cost wasn't an issue, I don't think machining all of the pieces out of solid billet or bar stock would be good as I'd like each piece to weight no more than 5-10 pounds but maybe that's really the best/easiest way?

How would you guys go about building 12-16" tall chess pieces out of aluminum? Casting it is probably the easiest, but I'd rather try and either machine from solid material, or machine plate and tig weld then machine/buff joints, etc.

I think the pawns can be made many different ways without too much trouble, but the king/queen/bishop/knight/rook in this style out of aluminum without changing much from this style seems like a challenge. Actually, it seems like all of the pieces could be turned with only minor CNC work done to the rook, bishop, king and queen, but that damn knight would be almost 100% CNC on a large scale.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/JaquesCookStaunton.jpg

A.K. Boomer
11-27-2017, 02:45 PM
3 feet tall!!! don't know why - maybe it's the wallpaper but you just reminded me of a Tom Petty vid lol


https://youtu.be/h0JvF9vpqx8

let us know when you get it all done and we'll be over to play a game, i'll bring the acid lol

mklotz
11-27-2017, 02:56 PM
I wanted to make a normal-size set using only the lathe so I designed my own style of modernistic pieces. You can see how it turned out here...

http://www.homemadetools.net/forum/metal-chess-set-55396

Perhaps it will give you some ideas.

3 Phase Lightbulb
11-27-2017, 02:59 PM
I love the giant set here. Maybe wood/teak would be better than alum. I was just thinking I could also 3D print large pieces which I should probably do instead.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k3wXU2rruc

3 Phase Lightbulb
11-27-2017, 03:10 PM
I wanted to make a normal-size set using only the lathe so I designed my own style of modernistic pieces. You can see how it turned out here...

http://www.homemadetools.net/forum/metal-chess-set-55396

Perhaps it will give you some ideas.

Very nice... How difficult would it have been to machine them from 4" round stock? I assume with 4" round stock, you could get 6-8" tall pieces? I really like stout looking pieces like yours. I'm not a fan of the "huge" sets that have long slender pieces.

danlb
11-27-2017, 03:13 PM
I don't think that machining from solid is economically viable for those of us with average incomes. Using your king for an example, rough measurement shows the base is almost 1/2 the height. That gives us 6 inch x12 inch solid at about $270 each. The pawns are the smallest, but they are still around 6 inches tall and 4 inches across. Pawns would be around $80 a piece for 4 inch x 8 inch solid round.


I'd construct the rough shape from sub assemblies of various sizes of round tube. It will be likely to exceed your weight limit if you don't make the walls fairly thin. That's a lot of work.

But consistency is your biggest concern. Side by side it's really easy to see minor differences in construction. Some sort of tracer or duplicator is called for.

3 Phase Lightbulb
11-27-2017, 03:18 PM
Damn, these giant teak pieces are going to make me cry they are so beautiful...

http://giantchess.1line.co.uk/images/detailed/1/UG_380_-_Giant_Chess_Pieces_-_60cm_Teak_-_9.jpg

3 Phase Lightbulb
11-27-2017, 03:35 PM
That gives us 6 inch x12 inch solid at about $270 each.

Yea, If I went that route I probably would not build an extra set of queens for promotions :)

A.K. Boomer
11-27-2017, 03:54 PM
I bet there's some chainsaw guys that could make some pretty neat looking pieces for the price (a fraction of the price I should say.)

elf
11-27-2017, 03:57 PM
Here's more info (http://anonymouschesscollector.blogspot.com/2008/06/early-encyclopedia-regence-set.html) about chess sets than you probably want to know:o

mklotz
11-27-2017, 04:47 PM
Another approach might be to find 31 friends who like to play dress up and don't mind standing very still for long periods of time. They do it in Italy...

http://www.italoamericano.org/story/2016-9-25/live-chess-marostica

Arcane
11-27-2017, 06:09 PM
A couple of styles I like that I believe would lend themselves to being machined relatively easily are this one

http://cdn.home-designing.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/4-Gold-silver-chess-set.jpeg

and this set of tubular pieces which I think could be scaled up to a giant size relatively economically.

http://cdn.home-designing.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/6-Philippe-tubular-chess-pieces-600x422.jpeg

Mcgyver
11-27-2017, 06:11 PM
bah humbug. if the cost of the stock isn't an issue for giant chess pieces......pay someone else to do it. It would be extremely dull turning all that, imo. designing is fun, solving the puzzle on set up and sequence is fun and admiring the finished piece is fun......week upon week of repetitive chip making on large pieces of stock....not so much so.

CCWKen
11-27-2017, 06:12 PM
You could use aluminum sheet or plate and cut them out in silhouette then use a weighted base. Easy enough to make them look 3-D with a few curved lines. Might even make them out of wood. Remember, it's only a game.

A.K. Boomer
11-27-2017, 06:34 PM
http://cdn.home-designing.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/4-Gold-silver-chess-set.jpeg

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I like this set except the king actually looks like a bishop and the bishops look like platypuses

im all for injection molded plastic - really nothing like the feel and quality of plastic chess pieces and you'll be saving a small forest in the process... seen at the end of the block someone's already got one of those 6 foot tall santa's on display, total plastic and you can even put a light inside of him to make him glow, same could be done with chess pieces even the little ones could have LED's --- except for the pawns - pawns are just pawns and expendable and need to be kept as simple as possible so you don't get too attached to them when you have to throw one under the proverbial bus...

used to play allot of chess with my bro - he had a real plastic set was very nice...

Rich Carlstedt
11-27-2017, 06:41 PM
Why worry about CNC when you can build a duplicating unit like Bridgeport had

http://www.lathes.co.uk/bridgeport/page3.html

If you anchor the fulcrum to the column/ram you could do a Pantigraph and actually blow up a small chess piece to a large size.
I think you want to stay with wood, for beauty /lightness and finishing

Rich

Toolguy
11-27-2017, 07:51 PM
I have used the Bridgeport 1,2, and 3 head hydraulic tracers many times. They are a bit fiddly to get set just right, but work amazingly well when everything is right. That's what we used before CNC was on the scene. It can get old pretty fast standing there copying parts all day though.

softtail
11-27-2017, 08:52 PM
Do a google image search... many examples. 'turned metal chess pieces' turns up some good ones.
There are also sets made from .50 cal shells, nuts/bolts, etc.

lakeside53
11-27-2017, 09:30 PM
Print them.... Assemble as required.

Hawkeye
11-27-2017, 09:35 PM
Steel weld up sounds like a good way to go. The pre made cones here look like a good start on the fancy tops. https://www.fabricorproducts.com/online-store/conical-spun-shapes-tapers.html

Doc Nickel
11-27-2017, 10:48 PM
Cast 'em in concrete. Provide a hand truck to each player. :D

Doc.

Black Forest
11-28-2017, 06:36 AM
You just need to give me the order and I will contact a few fella's with unbelievable carving skills with chainsaws. Or I could contact a couple of clock makers here in the Black Forest and they could hand carve them for you. Think intricate Coo Coo clocks.

fjk
11-28-2017, 06:46 AM
3' tall?
Machined anything?
Would be rather heavy I should think.
Probably the best is an armature welded up out of roundbar (1/8" would be fine)
followed by sheet metal skin.

You could machine some dies to form the armature pieces.

I have a friend who makes fish sculptures this way
See fishnchipsfoundry.com.

Frank

browne92
11-28-2017, 11:09 AM
As long as were showing off our work, here's mine:

http://www.edgefinderllc.com/chess.htm

Brass and Stainless. Done on a clapped out SB9 and a Palmgren milling attachment.

I agree that turned from solid metal would be spendy and heavy. Solid plastic might not be much cheaper. Wood is probably the way to go, just stain in two different finishes. Make molds and cast in plaster? Paper mache'? Just a few thoughts.

nc5a
11-28-2017, 01:33 PM
browne92,

Nicely done on the chess set.

RichR
11-28-2017, 01:35 PM
As long as were showing off our work, here's mine:

http://www.edgefinderllc.com/chess.htm

Very nicely done. By the way, the bishops and pawns look like salt shakers. Oh, and the knights look like Snoopy.:rolleyes:

vpt
11-28-2017, 05:55 PM
Just use garbage cans, metal for one side and rubbermaid for the other.

A.K. Boomer
11-28-2017, 06:07 PM
Not a game of checkers Andy --- needs a little more individualism that that lol

Dan Dubeau
11-28-2017, 06:08 PM
Not a game of checkers Andy --- needs a little more individualism that that lol

Paint faces on them....

vpt
11-28-2017, 06:54 PM
Bathroom cans for pawns, kitchen cans for castles-bishops, garage cans for king and queen.

dave_r
11-29-2017, 01:31 AM
Go big. Adopt a whole bunch of children...

3 Phase Lightbulb
11-29-2017, 10:04 AM
Bathroom cans for pawns, kitchen cans for castles-bishops, garage cans for king and queen.

Thanks for the idea (indirectly). A US "coin" chess set would be kind of cool.... Paint one set black and one white.

Pawns -- pennies
King -- Dollar coin
Queen - Half Dollar coin
Bishop - Dime .... D for Diagonal to help remember a dime is a bishop
Rook - Quarter (Quad - Qorners, Qassle, etc.)
Knight - Nickle - (N)ight


https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/complete-us-coins-set-on-white-background-picture-id468881681?k=6&m=468881681&s=612x612&w=0&h=1cbzczQTjy720Ep4WOYV_fwo3IEt-2bIpsD1ER7Dd1o=

1-800miner
11-29-2017, 10:04 AM
eight or ten inch dia. plastic pipe. Cruise the construction sites and ask for cutoffs.
A six pack of beer will get you far.
Then fabricate/machine top caps.

1-800miner
11-29-2017, 10:07 AM
If you want to go the coin route for an outside set, think manhole covers

Black Forest
11-29-2017, 10:32 AM
What about a wireframe type of chess piece! You could model each piece inn CAD and put offset planes at intervals and then project the cross section to the planes. Then just a simple matter to make a dxf of each cross section and have it cut out on a cnc plasma table. Bend wire/rod to shape the chess piece.2

3 Phase Lightbulb
11-29-2017, 10:49 AM
What about a wireframe type of chess piece! You could model each piece inn CAD and put offset planes at intervals and then project the cross section to the planes. Then just a simple matter to make a dxf of each cross section and have it cut out on a cnc plasma table. Bend wire/rod to shape the chess piece.2

I was thinking of building the pieces by stacking 1/4" alum plate with cut-outs in the middle to help save on weight. 1/4" slices from the bottom up then TIG weld each plate ontop of eachother. So a 12" chess piece would consist of 48 1/4" cross-section slices stacked vertically and welded together. I could cut out each cross section piece with a CNC mill.

EDIT: Just found this.. Kind of like this but with 1/4" alum plate and twice the number of slices:

https://cdn.instructables.com/FSQ/M3RP/GICYB91C/FSQM3RPGICYB91C.MEDIUM.jpg

https://cdn.instructables.com/FTN/2AJV/GI0TK8N8/FTN2AJVGI0TK8N8.MEDIUM.jpg https://cdn.instructables.com/FR0/QJS5/GI0TMMHD/FR0QJS5GI0TMMHD.SMALL.jpg

https://cdn.instructables.com/FX7/3CY4/GI0TK8UW/FX73CY4GI0TK8UW.MEDIUM.jpg

kendall
11-29-2017, 11:42 AM
I was thinking about the wire frame Black forest mentioned, could be as detailed or as 'symbolic' as you wish.
As well as a shaped and slotted flat stock similar to this, not a chess piece and plywood but shows idea.
https://www.etsy.com/listing/530965611/wooden-bull-trophy-head-wooden-buffalo?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=plywood%20sculpture&ref=sr_gallery_2

Could be done with the same method shown, or multiple vertical outlines to present the same contour from multiple sides.

Made one chess set out of wood all by hand Took a couple years 2 - 5 hours/week working with it. Got swiped in a box of albums while moving one time.

Dan Dubeau
11-29-2017, 11:54 AM
I was thinking of building the pieces by stacking 1/4" alum plate with cut-outs in the middle to help save on weight. 1/4" slices from the bottom up then TIG weld each plate ontop of eachother. So a 12" chess piece would consist of 48 1/4" cross-section slices stacked vertically and welded together. I could cut out each cross section piece with a CNC mill.

EDIT: Just found this.. Kind of like this but with 1/4" alum plate and twice the number of slices:


Draw it up, send it out for water jet. Define what your goal is. To have them, or to have made them yourself. I know this is a site for people who make things, but plate work like this is much better suited to waterjet, or plasma. Time wise you'll be far ahead to get somebody else to free them from a plate for you. I know it's the no fun answer.

If the goal is to make them yourself, then by all means, make chips.

mklotz
11-29-2017, 01:00 PM
And, for you hardware types, here's something you can screw together with minimal fabrication effort...

https://macgyverisms.wonderhowto.com/how-to/make-macgyver-style-chess-set-using-just-nuts-bolts-0144591/

I think the use of castellated nuts is especially appropriate.

mklotz
11-29-2017, 01:08 PM
Some more exotic DIY sets...

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/how-to/g896/9-bizarrely-beautiful-diy-chess-sets/

Black Forest
11-29-2017, 01:59 PM
I was thinking of building the pieces by stacking 1/4" alum plate with cut-outs in the middle to help save on weight. 1/4" slices from the bottom up then TIG weld each plate ontop of eachother. So a 12" chess piece would consist of 48 1/4" cross-section slices stacked vertically and welded together. I could cut out each cross section piece with a CNC mill.

EDIT: Just found this.. Kind of like this but with 1/4" alum plate and twice the number of slices:

https://cdn.instructables.com/FSQ/M3RP/GICYB91C/FSQM3RPGICYB91C.MEDIUM.jpg

https://cdn.instructables.com/FTN/2AJV/GI0TK8N8/FTN2AJVGI0TK8N8.MEDIUM.jpg https://cdn.instructables.com/FR0/QJS5/GI0TMMHD/FR0QJS5GI0TMMHD.SMALL.jpg

https://cdn.instructables.com/FX7/3CY4/GI0TK8UW/FX73CY4GI0TK8UW.MEDIUM.jpg

I was meaning you would use vertical rods/wire to actually make the body of the piece. The slices would just hold the wires.

Baz
11-29-2017, 05:30 PM
Rather surprised nobody has suggested a mixture of metal spinning and panel beating sections then welding together. Result in aluminium would be lightweight.

Dan Dubeau
11-29-2017, 07:01 PM
I just moved a stack of old brake rotors I'm saving for some reason in the barn again for probably the third or fourth time. They'd make great weighted bottoms for whatever other design you come up with for the top. I send you my address, come and get them lol.