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Tim Clarke
08-23-2004, 10:44 PM
I once worked in a shop that maintained all the equipment, rolling stock, and the works from a lumber/plywood mill, and logging operation. Being the kid in the shop, I was assigned to help old Alex pour some babbit bearings. He packed some stuff he called Bear S..t around the blocks so the babbit wouldn't run out. Does anybody know what the proper name for this stuff? Or, who makes it?


Forrest Addy
08-23-2004, 11:33 PM
They used to use several things. Among them was a misture of fireclay and lindseed oil, tarred oakum, and some stuff we used to call monkey $hit which was like sticky putty. I cant recallthe name ofit now.

These days we have stuff line silicone bathtub sealant which has a short term effective temperature up to 900 degrees. When fully cured it would seal a 1/4 crack and hold 18" head of molten babbitt. That's all we used to use in the babbitt room about the time I retired.

08-24-2004, 05:26 AM
I thinks it is kind of sticky stuff.

Overheard a bear and a rabbit sitting on a log takeing a s**t. Bear says" Do you have trouble with sh*t sticking to your hair?"
Rabbit says "No." Bear says good, grabs him and wipes his ass!


08-24-2004, 06:57 AM
Now that is a hare raising experience!

08-24-2004, 10:36 AM
Please excuse me for being a little off topic.

The Office of Homeland Security decided that it was necessary to remove all rabbits from the woods for national security reasons. Three agencies were contacted to work the case: The FBI, CIA and LAPD.

The FBI went in and through an impressive network of undercover operatives, wire taps and animal linguists conducted a 1 year investigation. At the end, the final report concluded that no rabbits existed in the woods.

Unconvinced, the CIA went in to make an independent determination. Through the use of satellite infrared thermograph, acoustic ranging and chemically debriefed operatives the CIA determined that the FBI’s initial conclusion was, in fact, correct.

Convinced that the other two agencies didn't know how to work the street, the LAPD sent in two patrol cars. Fifteen minutes later two officers came out of the woods carrying a brown bear. The animal’s hide was cut and bleeding, his eyes were swollen shut and blood was coming from his ears. As they brought him in to the interrogation room, the bear could be heard to whimper, “OK, OK, I’m a rabbit!” http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif

08-24-2004, 11:53 AM
We called the stuff dog s^%$. I am hoping somebody will come up with a real name and source, for I have been looking for this stuff for a long time (the clay stuff, not the real dog s@#$, for I have a dog, and he supplies plenty of the real thing).

Being called bear *&^%, One has to wonder...is it Grizzly or black bear. A story I have mentioned before. The words in yellowstone are if you are hiking in the back country, you must wear bells and have pepper spray on hand. You must also know your bear s&^%. A black bear tends to eat berries and ferns, thus a black bears has seeds and little twigs in it. A grizzly bears has little bells in it, and smells like pepper spray.

Allan Waterfall
08-24-2004, 01:05 PM
If that sticky stuff is the same as what we called "monkey muck" in the UK,I believe it contained asbestos and is no longer available.

We used to mix it in a bucket like mixing plaster,it was applied as an insulation on big sectional heating boilers,sometimes used round underfloor pipes before the concrete went down. It was put on with a trowel until the boiler coating was smooth all over,when it was dry it was usually painted.


Alistair Hosie
08-24-2004, 01:32 PM
I think you guys who make mockery and tell jokes should stop to think of the harm you are doing to the folically challenged.
My own dear mother lost all ther hair in a boiler explosion.So think before you make fun.

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John Garner
08-24-2004, 02:59 PM
Tim --

The generic name for what you're seeking is "babbitt damming compound", and there are at least two brands that I've seen in the last few years: Babbitt-Rite and Dam-Tite. (My spelling of these brand names may not be to the trademark owners' satisfaction.)

Another material that was often used was an asbestos-and-oil putty that Johns-Manville made for sealing air ducts. J-M named the stuff Dux Seal, and an updated (non-asbestos) version is sold today by one of J-M's successor companies, J-M Clipper.

There are a number of other companies that make putty for sealing air ducts; the generic name for these putties is "duct seal" . . . and I hear that in the heating and air conditioning business the jargon is "duck" followed by any Anglo-Saxon term for feces.

I noticed just a few weeks ago that my local Sears-owned hardware store has one pound blocks of GB brand duck seal for US$ 1.99. It has more of a gel consistency than I remember the old J-M Dux Seal, and it's not being sold as a babbitt damming compound . . . so I'd want to do some empirical testing before using it with molten metal.

FWIW, the old-time oilfield mechanic who poured the first babbitt bearing I ever saw being poured used a putty made of flour and molasses (that he called "cookie dough") as a damming putty.


T Wise
08-24-2004, 06:27 PM
The Montana State Department of Fish and Wildlife is advising golfers to take extra precautions and be on the alert for bears while on the Gallatin, Helena, and Lewis and Clark National Forest golf courses. They advise golfers to wear noise-producing devices such as little bells on their clothing to alert, but not startle the bears unexpectedly.

They also advise you to carry pepper spray in case of an encounter with a bear. It is also a good idea to watch for signs of bear activity. Golfers should be able to recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear droppings on the golf course.

Black bear droppings are smaller and contain berries and possibly squirrel fur.

Grizzly bear droppings have bells in them and smell like pepper spray. :-)

Thought you should know


08-24-2004, 07:13 PM
When John mentioned "Dam-Tite" I thought we were in for a round of honeymoon jokes http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

charlie coghill
08-24-2004, 09:39 PM
Check with Mcmaster Carr. I believe that I saw some stuff listed on the page that they list their babbit material.

08-24-2004, 10:42 PM
Okay,redneck ingenuity at work so watchout-

Sheetmetals dams held on with c-clamps and sealed with red hi-temp silicon,works well,fit up the dams,seal up with the hi-temp and let cure over night,then pour.Its good for 700*.

Anyway it will freeze and set before the hi-temp burns out,also it is easy to remove after,just pry the dams off and scrub with a wire brush.

08-25-2004, 12:43 PM
I have a few pounds of the old "monkey Sh*t". I am fairly certain it contains linseed oil and asbestos fibers. Other than having a lot of dirt and trash worked into it, the stuff is still sticky and pliable after at least 40 years. I don't think mine contains oakum fibers. If oakum is there, the fibers are short. We used it for caulking cable entries etc.

Weird says-"Okay,redneck ingenuity at work so watchout" - "redneck ingenuity" don't hold a candle to "southern engineering" when it comes to the watch out thing.

I think Weird and Forrest are right about silicones. lower temps (per weird) make a form that lasts longer, 900 degrees lasts short term (what ever short term means) for sure it will last long enough to let Babbitt (less than 900 degrees for better pouring) solidify.

Stayed a while at a RV park in New Mexico where a guy made "tin" Soldiers of lead. He used the red hi Temp RTV to make a mold of antique lead soldiers, used oil to make his parting compound. When set he just peeled the rtv from the toy, poured his metal into the form and let it solidify. He got several pours from each mold. He SAID- so take it with a grain of skepticism- that he had poured aluminum into the molds. The casting was no good but the mold did not leak or burn. Based on what he said, I would guess even a thousand degrees would be held until the metal cooled.

Peter S
08-25-2004, 09:23 PM
A few years ago a guy showed me a similar set up for casting little lead? souvineirs with good detail.

He had a 2-piece mold say 6" dia with several cavities. The mold was spun, and the lead poured into a hole in the centre, it ran through gates to each cavity.
Good results.

Mold was made from silicone I think - certainly something flexible so the products with undercuts could be released.

08-26-2004, 02:14 PM
Peter: You're right- I forgot the "centrifugal casting"- The New Mexico man told me and I forgot. But the "undercutting" and fine detail was what made his toys look so nice.

08-26-2004, 03:47 PM
I was hunting for some "Damtite" about 6 months ago.I was told by a couple of places that it was no longer made.Tried a local placethey also confirmed this but said they could get some stuff called Babbitrite so I had them order me some.The stuff is pretty pricey, (If I recall right) 5 lbs.(aprox 5x5x5 chunk)was around $85.00,but is reuseable.It was drop shipped to me from another place called: United American Metals Corp.
2246 W.Hubbard st.
Chicago,Ill. 60612
ph.312 733 6700
I havent contacted them but you may want to try them.If they won't deal with you may be we can work something out with my local contact.

08-26-2004, 06:46 PM
Charlie was right. McMaster-Carr does have a material called Casting Retainer Putty or also known as Babbitt putty.
Stephen K.

08-30-2004, 04:28 PM
when I went to power hammer school, they sold some. they have it for sale, and also parts for little giant power hammers.


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08-30-2004, 06:45 PM

they sell it under parts.