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fastfire
10-02-2018, 11:01 AM
https://i.imgur.com/SOAg0M0.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/YCsICaD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/rDx7goz.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yFonGnQ.jpg
A lady's husband passed and she is selling this.
Thanks

flylo
10-02-2018, 11:24 AM
What's the step pulley go to & does it have Timken bearings? I'd guess $500 with all the extras. I have the same one with Timkin bearing came with the steady 2 chucks & a face plate I paid $148 about when I joined joined the forum & have had more fun with it than any of the big lathes.

Mcgyver
10-02-2018, 11:30 AM
I have the same one

what is it?

Rich Carlstedt
10-02-2018, 11:38 AM
Its a 6 inch Atlas Lathe, which is also a Craftsman Lathe that Sears sold.
Not sure if it has Timken bearings as it looks like an oiler on the spindle bearing, which would mean bronze bearings
A lathe like that is worth about 200 and if it has Timken, then 300. It should have a label on the headstock that says "Timken"
I think 500 is a fair price for all .
Rich

J.Ramsey
10-02-2018, 11:55 AM
My 1967 6" Atlas/Craftsman has Timken roller bearings and oilers.

fastfire
10-02-2018, 11:57 AM
How much does the lathe alone weigh?

flylo
10-02-2018, 12:05 PM
Shipping weight 95# one guy with a decent back can carry just the lathe. http://www.lathes.co.uk/atlas6inch/
http://www.lathes.co.uk/craftsman6inchmk1/ Look at the bottom pic, shows Timkin bearing lathe with oilers but it wall say Timkin as they were pround of that fact. It looks like a non Timkin as it looks like it has the splits to replace the bushings.

http://www.lathes.co.uk/craftsman6inchmk2/

mattthemuppet
10-02-2018, 10:28 PM
It has timken bearings as there are no bearing bolts. Price is what someone is willing to pay for it - not a lot of machinery in that neck of the woods

fastfire
10-03-2018, 11:20 AM
Thank guys, I'm making arrangements to get it.

mattthemuppet
10-03-2018, 12:54 PM
neat, they're cool little lathes. I love mine, though I do wish it was bigger sometimes.

When I lived in SE WA (not that far from you) I saw a couple of very well tooled 618s on CL for $750-1000. Crazy money in my opinion, but there's not a lot of choice out there. I paid $250 for mine with a washing machine motor, a Buck 3 jaw and an old and bust up Atlas 4 jaw (replaced with a Bison) and a live center. So $3-400 is a perfectly reasonable price for what you're looking at, if not a bit more given the tooling/ other stuff.

J Tiers
10-03-2018, 02:34 PM
How much does the lathe alone weigh?

maybe 70 lb, or a bit more...... that, or I am stronger than I thought. They are quite light machines.

flylo
10-03-2018, 05:14 PM
Post #7 95# shipping weight, no motor

J Tiers
10-03-2018, 05:47 PM
Post #7 95# shipping weight, no motor

Ok, missed that number..... I can carry one, anyhow.

mattthemuppet
10-04-2018, 10:17 AM
I can pick mine up on its heavy wooden base, but it's heavy enough that I have to be careful to lift it properly. They're stout little lathes for their size and weight, great to learn on too.

fastfire
10-04-2018, 08:01 PM
I got the lathe home , no Timken bearing label and it has 4" chucks. I'll have picks later.

chipmaker4130
10-04-2018, 08:16 PM
Looks to me like a wood turning drive in the spindle, and I don't see any change-gears in the photos either. You really need those!

fastfire
10-04-2018, 08:26 PM
Looks to me like a wood turning drive in the spindle, and I don't see any change-gears in the photos either. You really need those!

Yes, they are in the tool box and that is a wood turning spindle.
I'll have some what is it photos in a bit.

fastfire
10-04-2018, 08:37 PM
https://i.imgur.com/cTJMhWz.jpg What is this?

https://i.imgur.com/EwUp5vJ.jpg I know what these are thought you might like to see them.

flylo
10-04-2018, 09:24 PM
Congrats & Hope you enjoy it!

JRouche
10-04-2018, 09:28 PM
https://i.imgur.com/cTJMhWz.jpg What is this?

Speed indicator JR

http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=3670&d=1538787368

754
10-04-2018, 10:19 PM
Tachometer used with a watch with second hand.
On my South bend I used one to get all the spindle speeds, then wrote them on the belt guard.

fastfire
10-04-2018, 11:17 PM
Tachometer used with a watch with second hand.
On my South bend I used one to get all the spindle speeds, then wrote them on the belt guard.

Thank You!

mattthemuppet
10-05-2018, 01:36 PM
congrats! any Qs, just fire away

J Tiers
10-05-2018, 01:53 PM
Tachometer used with a watch with second hand.
On my South bend I used one to get all the spindle speeds, then wrote them on the belt guard.

It is much easier to count motor turns (while turning by hand) per chuck full turn,and then use a calculator based on motor rpm. Any little difference from slip will not be important.

chipmaker4130
10-05-2018, 01:57 PM
Most of those hand-tachs have a nub you can feel on each revolution so you can keep your eyes on the clock. Ultimately it matters not one whit whether you measure 300 rpm or 312.

fastfire
10-05-2018, 02:52 PM
You can see 3 or 4 " below the Craftsman tag there is a missing tag, maybe it said Timkin bearings? https://i.imgur.com/DUO69XS.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/gJeHh0Y.jpg the lead screw engagement lever on the cross slide is locked up and I can't seem to get it to move or engage.I have since cleaned up the whole lathe and am in the process of loosening up the lead screw it too was locked up (GUMMED-UP)

mattthemuppet
10-05-2018, 03:17 PM
that's definitely a timken bearing lathe.

as for the halfnuts and the leadscrew, looks like someones been cutting wood on that which has probably gummed things up. Easiest fix would be to unscrew the bolts holding the leadscrew bearings on at either end, remove the tail stock and wind the carriage off the bed (may need to loosen the gib screws at the back of the carriage). then it's a piece of cake to get at the halfnut mechanism and remove it/ clean it out. You may also want to check the clearance between the plates (gibs?) at the bottom of the carriage that ride against the bottom of the lathe bed - if you can lift the carriage then there may be enough wear to warrant removing one of the shims between those plates and the carriage. Really tightened mine up nicely when I did it.

at the headstock end the leadscrew has a woodruff key in it for the gear and, I think, the collar or disk that rides against the leadscrew bearing is pinned in place. Pretty sure it was on one of mine, though I think my current lathe has a set screw that someone put in later. Once you get that off you'll be able to remove the leadscrew bearing and clean it out.

good thing is these lathes are super simple and easy to work on.

BCRider
10-05-2018, 03:22 PM
Yep, certainly a Timken headstock. If it were a plain bearing setup there would be separate top caps bolted to the lower frame.

All in all it looks from the pictures like it saw either little use or lots of cleaning and care to use it and lube it correctly. For stuff it'll do within its size and mass it should be a very nice machine. Although it will likely train you well on the tricks and techniques for limiting or avoiding chatter.

fastfire
10-13-2018, 11:22 PM
Is there supposed to be an oiler filling this hole?
https://i.imgur.com/tPc6KVI.jpg

This gear has a bushing? that is really hard to turn, all others are easy to turn. A good cleaning is in order?
https://i.imgur.com/Fx8cJAm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/CEiAFiV.jpg

754
10-14-2018, 01:19 AM
It is much easier to count motor turns (while turning by hand) per chuck full turn,and then use a calculator based on motor rpm. Any little difference from slip will not be important.

I am lazy , i use my vintage direct read tach, 5 seconds later I know the rpm.

Henro
10-14-2018, 01:21 AM
just curious. Did I miss it?

What did the lathe turn out being worth?

reggie_obe
10-14-2018, 09:59 AM
It's was worth as much or as little as Fastfire paid for it.
Sometime, people just want an old machine gone, they don't use it or it wasn't theirs and it's just in the way.

fastfire
10-14-2018, 11:39 AM
I paid 500 with a bunch of measuring tools and stuff.

fastfire
10-14-2018, 11:41 AM
post 29 am still looking for the answer...

Darren M
10-14-2018, 03:57 PM
Nice score! The tooling alone.

flylo
10-14-2018, 07:32 PM
I guessed the exact price! What do I win? Cash is always nice.

lugnut
10-14-2018, 09:49 PM
It's only worth what you can talk some poor bugger into paying what you want for it. It wasn't worth much when new and I can't think it's value would increase with age,.

danlb
10-14-2018, 11:04 PM
It's only worth what you can talk some poor bugger into paying what you want for it. It wasn't worth much when new and I can't think it's value would increase with age,.

It's worth exactly what you are wiling to pay for it. :)

Glad that you got it at such a good price. That's a lot of accessories for the money.

While it sounds haughty to say that it was not worth much when new, the fact of the matter is that it cost a week or two wages at the time. That means that in current money it would sell for at least $700 or more.

I don't have that model and have never used it so I can't say much about it.

Dan

Planeman41
10-15-2018, 10:42 AM
This lathe brings back lots of memories. I bought one like it from Sears back in 1957 when I was seventeen years old. Made the money by working weekends and summers at a local hobby shop. Dad was disappointed. He wanted me to buy a nice shotgun as he was an avid bird hunter. I kept reading about machining metal in Popular Mechanics who always had a short article in their issues and just had to get one. I learned to build things through model airplanes as did most boys in that era. One piece of advice: DO NOT EXTEND THE COMPOUND TOOL REST OUT OVER THE CARRIAGE TOO MUCH!!! It can break off! Ask me how I know. Fortunately, I was able to get a replacement from Atlas. It is a nice lathe, however you cannot "hog" heavy cuts with it. Just take lighter cuts and more of them. The lathe is built a tad too light to do this. I sold the lathe to a friend in 1969 and bought a 7" EMCO Maximat with milling head that I have to this day. I keep it in pristine condition. In those days there were not many lathes available to the home shop machinist like today. What cinched my decision on the 7" Maximat was seeing one in a photo of the shop of Gerald Wingrove (https://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/Wingrove.htm). If he used one to make his fantastic models and he, as a tool and die maker for Matchbox toy cars, decided this was the lathe for him, It was certainly good enough for me. It was a good decision.

QSIMDO
10-15-2018, 10:57 AM
just curious. Did I miss it?

What did the lathe turn out being worth?

No one had the obvious answer?
...About as much as a Henway.

fastfire
10-15-2018, 11:00 AM
I paid 500 with a bunch of extras.

mattthemuppet
10-15-2018, 03:27 PM
This gear has a bushing? that is really hard to turn, all others are easy to turn. A good cleaning is in order?
https://i.imgur.com/Fx8cJAm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/CEiAFiV.jpg

is it hard to turn when the gear is fitted but off the lathe? Or only hard to turn once it's fitted to the banjo and tightened up?

If the former, take it out, clean it and oil it. that should take care of any stickiness.

If the latter, most likely you're missing the correct washer that goes under the nut. The nut/ washer should tighten down only on the threaded shaft that goes in the banjo and the bushing carrier (top hat looking thing) - it shouldn't tighten down on the bushing that goes in the gear. I had this problem, solved it by putting a small washer under the bigger washer under the nut. That allowed the gear to float a little on the bushing carrier.

fastfire
10-15-2018, 05:54 PM
is it hard to turn when the gear is fitted but off the lathe? Or only hard to turn once it's fitted to the banjo and tightened up?

If the former, take it out, clean it and oil it. that should take care of any stickiness.

If the latter, most likely you're missing the correct washer that goes under the nut. The nut/ washer should tighten down only on the threaded shaft that goes in the banjo and the bushing carrier (top hat looking thing) - it shouldn't tighten down on the bushing that goes in the gear. I had this problem, solved it by putting a small washer under the bigger washer under the nut. That allowed the gear to float a little on the bushing carrier.

To turn it I put lead stick-on wheel weights in Chanel locks and could barely turn it. The other two gears turn easily.

754
10-15-2018, 06:04 PM
Knock out the middle piece , clean , oil, reassemble..

mattthemuppet
10-16-2018, 02:51 PM
To turn it I put lead stick-on wheel weights in Chanel locks and could barely turn it. The other two gears turn easily.

you need to answer the 1st part - on or off lathe?