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wierdscience
12-02-2018, 09:15 PM
Warning,some of you might need grief counseling after watching this-

https://youtu.be/Bh1YRm6n_BY?t=436

:(

Glug
12-02-2018, 09:33 PM
Saw that a couple days ago.

That outcome was expected. Both machines were very poorly palletized - by so-called "professionals".

wierdscience
12-02-2018, 10:03 PM
Probably,possibly,we don't know how much of the packing is missing.I recieve a fair bit of freight at work and I have seen things come in where the entire pallet,crate and skrink wrap were gone,just the machine laying on it's side.

Tundra Twin Track
12-02-2018, 10:06 PM
Mcostello from this forum could give them some schooling in that category.The big 320 lb vise he shipped to me was rock solid,bolted solid to heavy base surrounded by heavy plywood Armour.

754
12-02-2018, 10:12 PM
320 lber. I think a pic is in order. .

RB211
12-02-2018, 10:16 PM
Watched it as well. That kid must be doing very well for himself.

wierdscience
12-02-2018, 10:28 PM
Watched it as well. That kid must be doing very well for himself.

1.4Million subscribers and 300k+ views per video he probably is doing well just on Youtube earnings.

skunkworks
12-02-2018, 10:29 PM
our EE was tipped on its front.. The reason why we got it (it was really really cheap)

We fixed it up 'good enough' and been running it ever since. Very very awesome lathe.

sam

RichR
12-02-2018, 10:39 PM
320 lber. I think a pic is in order. .

Pictures can be found here:
http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/65189-Score-320-LBS-Mould-Makers-Vise

A.K. Boomer
12-02-2018, 11:45 PM
There's a special place in hell for machine molesters...

RB211
12-03-2018, 01:42 AM
There's a special place in hell for machine molesters...

If I took a 10EE, and converted it to CNC, and ripped the old drive system out of it, and replaced it with a servo drive, would that count as molesting it? Would I go to hell for that?

Mcgyver
12-03-2018, 07:44 AM
1o he probably is doing well just on Youtube earnings.

cripes, he's got his own clothing line lol

Glug
12-03-2018, 08:18 AM
If I took a 10EE, and converted it to CNC, and ripped the old drive system out of it, and replaced it with a servo drive, would that count as molesting it?

There are definitely candidates where that would be appropriate. The manufacturing model, without threading. Turret and tracer options. And there was the 10 EC.

loose nut
12-03-2018, 09:20 AM
That kind of abuse deserves the death penalty.

3 Phase Lightbulb
12-03-2018, 09:48 AM
I ordered a brand new 10x18" Grizzly bandsaw back in 2005 and I went down to the shipping hub to pick it up with my truck. A guy brought out the saw in a crate with his forklift and proceeded to drive down a ramp and it tipped over and crash landed. I refused it, called up Grizzly and told them what happened and they shipped out another one. Same thing almost happened with my large 80gal 7.5hp compressor except as it was about to fall over the forklift operator counter steered and saved it.

EDIT: I found the post on here about it when it happened.

http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/111-Almost-got-a-new-shop-saw-today

3 Phase Lightbulb
12-03-2018, 09:52 AM
A 10EE is available over here. Ugly as sin..

https://hartford.craigslist.org/tls/d/monarch-10ee-lathe/6741854056.html

https://images.craigslist.org/00Y0Y_fdN5aISAUlG_600x450.jpg

softtail
12-03-2018, 10:01 AM
A 10EE is available over here. Ugly as sin..



Looks bout a thousand times better than a Grizzly:D

RB211
12-03-2018, 10:19 AM
A 10EE is available over here. Ugly as sin..

https://hartford.craigslist.org/tls/d/monarch-10ee-lathe/6741854056.html

https://images.craigslist.org/00Y0Y_fdN5aISAUlG_600x450.jpgNot so ugly when you consider that Monarchs mission in life was to make the worlds best lathe for it's intended role.
Perhaps "Art Deco" is not your thing.

Sent from my SM-G950U1 using Tapatalk

754
12-03-2018, 10:47 AM
Some people may be allergic to high end equipment..

3 Phase Lightbulb
12-03-2018, 10:57 AM
Looks bout a thousand times better than a Grizzly:D


Not so ugly when you consider that Monarchs mission in life was to make the worlds best lathe for it's intended role.
Perhaps "Art Deco" is not your thing.

Sent from my SM-G950U1 using Tapatalk


Some people may be allergic to high end equipment..

I see this :)

http://www.bbssystem.com/pictures/artfat.jpg

DR
12-03-2018, 11:13 AM
Send it back to the rebuilder........no big deaL.

Peter.
12-03-2018, 11:16 AM
That's a whole lot better proposition than that sow's ear which was dropped in the above link. Square dial, taper attachment and no ****ty paint-over.

A.K. Boomer
12-03-2018, 11:44 AM
If I took a 10EE, and converted it to CNC, and ripped the old drive system out of it, and replaced it with a servo drive, would that count as molesting it? Would I go to hell for that?

Well - I would not use the term "ripped the old drive system out of it"

but if you carefully disassembled it and stored the old parts properly and all that - then there's really no harm done in changing things around as it's just labor to put them back the way they were and God knows the difference - so no - you would not go to hell, you would however be watched carefully that you did indeed keep all the parts close and safe, and that means if you sold the machine you would have to give all to the new owner,
if you dropped the ball on any of this you could go to hell for the rest of eternity...

J Tiers
12-03-2018, 11:46 AM
I see this :)



Yo BLIND, boy.....

754
12-03-2018, 11:58 AM
Well it's possible that someone here has a better appreciation of good tool storage units, even if a good machine tool is beyond their recognition..

754
12-03-2018, 12:02 PM
I see this :)

http://www.bbssystem.com/pictures/artfat.jpg

Why don't you compare a 10 inch lathe to the Monarch 10 incher ?
Apple's to apples. .

3 Phase Lightbulb
12-03-2018, 12:18 PM
Why don't you compare a 10 inch lathe to the Monarch 10 incher ?
Apple's to apples. .

It shot way over your head. Still fugly as hell.

http://www.bbssystem.com/pictures/artfat2.jpg

Mcgyver
12-03-2018, 12:33 PM
A 10EE is available over here. Ugly as sin..

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definitely not as photogenic and or as much fun to place in little rows as your new drills

3 Phase Lightbulb
12-03-2018, 12:40 PM
definitely not as photogenic and or as much to place in little rows as your new drills

The new ones are certainly more photogenic compared to the old ones.

http://www.bbssystem.com/pictures/artugly3.jpg

754
12-03-2018, 01:08 PM
I suppose the day may never come where 3ph shares his out put from his machines.
Or tells us how the Magic Rosebud Wand will fix a warped piece that dress relieved during machining..
But I will say this I could make 400 or 500 bushings in a day on my fugly Herbert lathe, while some think making 50 a day is an good day. I can recognize the usefulness of a good machine tool..

A.K. Boomer
12-03-2018, 01:11 PM
I suppose the day may never come where 3ph shares his out put from his machines.
Or tells us how the Magic Rosebud Wand will fix a warped piece that dress relieved during machining..
But I will say this I could make 400 or 500 bushings in a day on my fugly Herbert lathe, while some think making 50 a day is an good day. I can recognize the usefulness of a good machine tool..

No im sure your right - but when the time comes there's going to be one hell of an estate sale at his place :-)

should make allot of people happy...

3 Phase Lightbulb
12-03-2018, 01:15 PM
I suppose the day may never come where 3ph shares his out put from his machines.
Or tells us how the Magic Rosebud Wand will fix a warped piece that dress relieved during machining..
But I will say this I could make 400 or 500 bushings in a day on my fugly Herbert lathe, while some think making 50 a day is an good day. I can recognize the usefulness of a good machine tool..

Yes, I certainty dream of the day I'm able to make 400 or 500 bushings a day in my hobby shop.

danlb
12-03-2018, 01:26 PM
I was curious about the 10ee because the bed looked so short. I looked it up on lathes.co.uk. I have never realized that it was a 10 x 20 or 12 x 20.

The bit of information that makes this on topic relates to the reverence with which we hold the original drive system. Someone mentioned saving the parts so it could be restored to its original state. It appears that when you need factory repairs for the 10ee, they remove the original drive and replace it with a VFD and 3 phase motor.

Mcgyver
12-03-2018, 02:07 PM
I suppose the day may never come where 3ph shares his out put from his machines.


reminds me of a.....young tiffie, YT.

tomato coupe
12-03-2018, 02:31 PM
The new ones are certainly more photogenic compared to the old ones.

http://www.bbssystem.com/pictures/artugly3.jpg

Nobody collects anything in groups of 11. Raise your game.

3 Phase Lightbulb
12-03-2018, 02:38 PM
Nobody collects anything in groups of 11. Raise your game.

No worries, it's a partial list. The others are elsewhere.

3 Phase Lightbulb
12-03-2018, 02:45 PM
I suppose the day may never come where 3ph shares his out put from his machines.


Some of the "out put". Nothing as exciting as making bushings though....

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tomato coupe
12-03-2018, 02:46 PM
The others are elsewhere.

Anyone can say that. We'll need proof.

3 Phase Lightbulb
12-03-2018, 02:46 PM
Dang... Limited to 10K characters.... Some more of the "out put":

http://www.bbssystem.com/buggy/rs3.jpg
http://www.bbssystem.com/buggy/foot.jpg
http://www.bbssystem.com/buggy/nf3.jpg
http://www.bbssystem.com/buggy/shifter1.jpg
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3 Phase Lightbulb
12-03-2018, 02:47 PM
Dang, still can't fit last project "out put".....

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Sparky_NY
12-03-2018, 02:54 PM
Wow, you took a LOT of pictures of that project. Who built it? Or was it a craigslist find?

3 Phase Lightbulb
12-03-2018, 02:58 PM
Wow, you took a LOT of pictures of that project. Who built it? Or was it a craigslist find?

Someone who suffers from metal illness designed and built it from scratch.

plunger
12-03-2018, 03:30 PM
Someone who suffers from metal illness designed and built it from scratch.

Some very nice work there.Here in S Africa we dont have enough electricity to keep those batteries charged.

RB211
12-03-2018, 05:03 PM
3phase, you've been holding back on us!

Glug
12-03-2018, 05:57 PM
The bit of information that makes this on topic relates to the reverence with which we hold the original drive system. Someone mentioned saving the parts so it could be restored to its original state. It appears that when you need factory repairs for the 10ee, they remove the original drive and replace it with a VFD and 3 phase motor.

There were several 'original' drive systems. Sunstrand, motor-generator, WIAD (works in a drawer), and Modular drive. The WIAD and Modular are single phase. They are all fairly easy to repair. It just looks really unusual. There is great help available. There are some nice aftermarket DC drive solutions, but it is almost always better to retain the original drive.

There is a lot of downside to the vfd approach. It is very difficult to equal the performance of the original drives.

George Seal
12-03-2018, 07:39 PM
metal illness
Now that sounds very familiar

JRouche
12-03-2018, 07:59 PM
There were several 'original' drive systems. Sunstrand, motor-generator, WIAD (works in a drawer), and Modular drive. The WIAD and Modular are single phase. They are all fairly easy to repair. It just looks really unusual. There is great help available. There are some nice aftermarket DC drive solutions, but it is almost always better to retain the original drive.

Here is mine. Even as nice as it looks I still had to fix part of the drive electronics (diodes). But it was easy with the wealth of knowledge out there. And I spent a couple years collecting new tubes for the future :) JR



http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=4054&d=1543884931

ken
12-03-2018, 09:34 PM
Piss poor Pallet to start with Ken

Mcgyver
12-03-2018, 10:26 PM
Thats a beauty JR, very nice.

The gearbox on mine is still in pieces, fitting replacement bearings is the next big challenge. With the kind help of Peter, I have a missing pulley on its way from England, just waiting on the youngest pack mule (kid) to come home with it.



https://i.imgur.com/Jm9UvYY.jpg?1



There is a lot of downside to the vfd approach. It is very difficult to equal the performance of the original drives.

True. I briefly had a second one, a '43 with the original Ward Leonard drive. That thing was amazing (sold to make room). Only negative was it was loud.

Mine had no drive when I got it but it did have the gearbox so I adapted it to a 5hp motor - piece of AL is new front end to the motor/back end to the gearbox. It will not perform as well as the original but I hope it will still deliver good performance. Time to put the push on getting it running!

https://i.imgur.com/IOvUqZy.jpg

J Tiers
12-04-2018, 01:02 AM
There were several 'original' drive systems. Sunstrand, motor-generator, WIAD (works in a drawer), and Modular drive. The WIAD and Modular are single phase. They are all fairly easy to repair. It just looks really unusual. There is great help available. There are some nice aftermarket DC drive solutions, but it is almost always better to retain the original drive.

There is a lot of downside to the vfd approach. It is very difficult to equal the performance of the original drives.

The WIAD I believe is the one I have a good deal of information on. It is a really nicely designed drive system, one of the best old style designs I have seen, where the characteristics of the specific parts are used to make the desired performance happen, and reduce the parts count, instead of throwing micro computers and code at the problem. Parts often do more than one job, and there are just the parts needed to do the job... no extras. Elegant design. Works really well by all accounts

I was going to do a solid state replacement for the thyratron tubes. That was OK, but the demand was low, since the tubes are still out there, and so the return did not look too hood. I also decided that the drive was do-able with SS devices but that the control would need to be updated to really suit the SS devices, since the original was somewhat dependent on there being a real tube in each place. Without a 10EE in hand, I decided it would be very difficult to work out the bugs, or even see them, and bagged the project.

There are some specialized parts. The worst problem is if there are bad trigger(grid) transformers. Those seem to have particular characteristics that are important to the drive operation, but similar parts are no longer available as far as I have been able to determine. I have not had my hands on one to test.

If a 10EE with that drive has to be scrapped or parted, it would be advisable to pull the electronics and drive components for spares, as they literally "do not make 'em like that anymore".