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John Buffum
02-12-2019, 04:30 PM
Gerber, SOG, Leatherman, Chinese Cheapo, Sheffield, Winchester, Micarta and a host of other brands I never heard of.

Looking for needle nose pliers, good scissors, and very good steel on the main knife blade. Budget is $60. Had a Chinese Cheapo in my car, but some punk stole it.

v860rich
02-12-2019, 04:48 PM
I have had a few different ones but the only one I have kept using is a Leatherman. It was my first and I still have it.
The others were so 'memorable" that I don't even remember their names.
I've had my Leatherman for over 30 years. Every now and then it will come up missing and I'll get something to replace it, but then, Bingo, it turns back up.
I do have a mini one that the bank gave out but the last I saw it my wife had commandeered it. There is no mfg. name on it though.

THANX RICH

J Tiers
02-12-2019, 05:17 PM
Leatherman is good.

I think you need a decent Swiss army knife to go with it. Fairly often there are screws that need one part held and the other turned, so one single tool is not sufficient.

And I have another no-name device that has wrenches on it, which is good.

None of them are really good, unless they are all you have. In the vehicle, a toolbox is the best thing to have. Basic sockets, screwdrivers, adjustable wrench, pliers, etc. With some pieces of hose, and a golf tee or two for plugging what you cannot fix.

gellfex
02-12-2019, 05:24 PM
Leatherman WAVE. What sets it apart from other models is the insert bit holder. Buy the set of double ended bits that fits in the same belt holster and now you have allens, robertsons, 4 size phillips and flats, and torx. That's all on top of a pretty good scissors, 2 blades, a damn useful saw, and a course/diamond grit file. My only criticism of it is I wish it had the replaceable carbide wire cutting jaws like some of the Leathermen.

BCRider
02-12-2019, 05:33 PM
I've never liked any multi tools. But I knew a fellow (passed away some years back) that always carried a mid size Leatherman which I personally saw being used for unspeakable things and it always held up. He used SOME care in that he didn't try to pry a car up with the side of the knife blade. But the screwdriver bits and pliers were used without force limits and held up well.

I'd say Gerber, Leatherman or SOG would be the way to go. Gerber and SOG make their own knives which have great reps so they aren't going to make junk. And Leatherman was the first and from my observations at least the older stuff was great.

Winchester does not make anything of their own any longer and is more than likely cheap stuff. Never heard of Sheffield, other than the town and as an origin mark for fine steel products from Britain. So likely that's cheap stuff that stole the name. But keep doing the research on where the stuff comes from and who actually makes the product.... which obviously this thread is part of.

Having blasted Winchester I have to admit that I recently bought a Winchester brand 1873 rifle reproduction made by Miroku for Winchester. It's absolutely wonderfully made and silky smooth to operate. If by some chance Winchester is getting their multi tools made by Miroku as well then I'd buy one without any concerns at all.... If I were a multi tool toting sort of fella.

Tungsten dipper
02-12-2019, 05:40 PM
Leatherman Juice S2 for me 6 years running. Use it all the time, not to heavy, and has most things I need.

John Buffum
02-12-2019, 05:43 PM
Leatherman is good.

I think you need a decent Swiss army knife to go with it. Fairly often there are screws that need one part held and the other turned, so one single tool is not sufficient.

And I have another no-name device that has wrenches on it, which is good.

None of them are really good, unless they are all you have. In the vehicle, a toolbox is the best thing to have. Basic sockets, screwdrivers, adjustable wrench, pliers, etc. With some pieces of hose, and a golf tee or two for plugging what you cannot fix.

And let's not forget good quality duct tape. (grin) With enough, you can fix a flat tire. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkvkFmsgypI

I have a tool kit in my spare tire compartment. It's just convenient to have a multiscrewdriver and a pair of needlenose, or knife, or whatever in the glove box, for those annoying little things.

OK. Leatherman, SOG, or Gerber. Last good one owned was Gerber, but I wasn't impressed by the knife blade. Two strokes on pine, and you had to resharpen. The scissors were excellent. The file was a joke. Way too rough.

gellfex
02-12-2019, 05:51 PM
I knew a fellow (passed away some years back) that always carried a mid size Leatherman which I personally saw being used for unspeakable things and it always held up. He used SOME care in that he didn't try to pry a car up with the side of the knife blade.
I used mine to pry out a window screen and snapped the tip. I contacted them about buying a new blade for it, and they said "just send it in". Got back a brand new tool. A few years later that tool developed a problem with a blade lock, new tool again! I think I got it originally in 2003. They have some warranty.

John Buffum
02-12-2019, 05:59 PM
Sounds like Leupold's warranty. "Just send it in." If it's genuine Leupold, not a Chinese imitation, they'll fix it, no questions asked.

Leatherman is starting to sound good.

DrMike
02-12-2019, 06:13 PM
With a full beard (42+ years) and always something to fix, I’ve always had some sort of multi tool with scissors and screwdrivers with me.

After carrying a Victornox Super Tinker for 25+ years, I tried a Leatherman Juice S2 about 6 years ago. Haven’t picked up the ST since.

Fasttrack
02-12-2019, 06:19 PM
Leatherman. I'm on my second Leatherman, this time it's a "Rebar". I broke the knife off of it (using it to pry a layer of dense EPP foam that was glued to a packing crate - clearly user error) and they told me to send it in. For like $2 in shipping, I got the knife replaced AND they sharpened the other cutting tools on it. Can't beat that.

I've also abused it in other ways, including using it as a hitch pin, hammer, all sorts of things. Still working great! Nothing really wrong with the first one, either. It was just getting old and the wire cutter was dull. I used it a lot putting up wire fence back in the day. Thus, I bought a Rebar with the replaceable cutter. The Rebar is now about 9 years old.

gellfex
02-12-2019, 06:30 PM
Wasn't familiar with the Rebar, so I checked out the Leatherman site. It doesn't have the insert bit holder. Pass. The good new is the current Wave's have replaceable cutter jaws!

$20 bit set, think about the joy of having this with you at all times:
Square Drive #1 & #2
Torx #6 & #8
Torx #10 & #15
Torx #20 & #25
Torx #27 & #30
Eyeglass Screwdriver
Pozi #2 & #1
Hex 1.5mm & 2mm
Hex 2.5mm & 3mm
Hex 4mm & 5mm
Hex 6mm & 1/4"
Hex 7/32" & 3/16"
Hex 5/32 & 9/64"
Hex 1/8" & 7/64"
Hex 3/32" & 5/64"
Hex 1/16" & .050"
Phillips #1 & #2
Phillips #0 & #3
Screwdriver 3/32" & 1/8"
Screwdriver 5/32" & 3/16"
Screwdriver 7/32" & 1/4"

mihit
02-12-2019, 06:42 PM
Confucious say: "You get what you pay for"

60 sounds remarkably cheap, but everythng is expensive here.

Leatherman is the only option, as far as I'm concerned.
Pretty sure they carry a 25year warranty. Find the chinese factory that'll match that.

Victorinox (of swiss army knife fame) Also make a decent product, but I don't like the format.

PStechPaul
02-12-2019, 06:43 PM
I have a $1.00 knife I got at Harbor Freight that I really like, because it's small enough to fit in my pocket without discomfort, and everything works well. But I don't think they have that model anymore:

http://enginuitysystems.com/pix/tools/Dollar_Knife_3250.jpg

I also got this "Fixr" from Banggood, which is also handy to add to a keychain, but really isn't very good:

http://enginuitysystems.com/pix/tools/Fixr_3244.jpg

The file is actually pretty good. Looks like it could be diamond grit, but probably not on a $3 tool:

http://enginuitysystems.com/pix/tools/Fixr_3245.jpg

Another Banggood cheapie that looks a lot better than it actually is, but, again, it is small enough to fit in my pocket, and at least the pliers work well. The bottle opener just barely works, and the can opener blade can't reach the rim of a can, but not bad for $3 or so:

http://enginuitysystems.com/pix/tools/MultiTool_3248.jpg

mihit
02-12-2019, 06:49 PM
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I'd say Gerber, Leatherman or SOG would be the way to go. Gerber and SOG make their own knives which have great reps so they aren't going to make junk. And Leatherman was the first and from my observations at least the older stuff was great. fella.

Gerber now made in china. They didn't get any cheaper for it., so I stopped buying them after some **** stole my last-of-the-US-made pocket-folder.

mihit
02-12-2019, 06:55 PM
cheap... just barely works...

I have to ask, what IS the point??

At least keeping some Chinese employed, I suppose.

Tungsten dipper
02-12-2019, 07:02 PM
After carrying a Victornox Super Tinker for 25+ years, I tried a Leatherman Juice S2 about 6 years ago. Havenít picked up the ST since.

Me too!!! Right down to the same years!!!!

AD5MB
02-12-2019, 07:42 PM
on a folded leatherman the rounded bits are outside. make it a pair of pliers and the rounded sides are inside

on a gerber you got your pinchy flat sides inside, and you can bite your own fingers if you squeeze hard

macona
02-12-2019, 08:55 PM
SOG all the way, their power plier series are great.

John Buffum
02-12-2019, 09:00 PM
Is this the Dr. Mike of Dr. Mike's glue?

ulav8r
02-12-2019, 09:13 PM
Leatherman supports gun control that is different than what I practice, so I won't support them. Was given a Victorinox, but I seldom carry it and do not know it's current location.

enginuity
02-12-2019, 09:32 PM
I find multitools frustrating. I have a Leatherman and hardly ever use it.

Maybe I'm in a small sub set of the population but if I'm going somewhere I think I may need tools I usually pack a screwdriver - Wera (changeable bits), a proper knife, and a pair of pliers - Knipex ones to be specific.

That's the problem with multitools for me. If it is true survival gear you still don't have an axe. If it is situation where you know you might need tools just take stuff that isn't so frustrating. So you might as well pack a small doctor's bag of good stuff.

But the Leatherman is fairly well made and is the probably the best.

gellfex
02-12-2019, 09:51 PM
on a folded leatherman the rounded bits are outside. make it a pair of pliers and the rounded sides are inside

Not on the Wave. I remember what you describe on earlier versions, but they fixed that problem of squeezing down on sharp edges.


I find multitools frustrating. I have a Leatherman and hardly ever use it.

Maybe I'm in a small sub set of the population but if I'm going somewhere I think I may need tools I usually pack a screwdriver - Wera (changeable bits), a proper knife, and a pair of pliers - Knipex ones to be specific.

That's the problem with multitools for me. If it is true survival gear you still don't have an axe. If it is situation where you know you might need tools just take stuff that isn't so frustrating. So you might as well pack a small doctor's bag of good stuff.

But the Leatherman is fairly well made and is the probably the best.

If I'm visiting a rental apartment, I have no idea what I'll find. With the Leatherman I can tighten a door latch or hinges, change a receptacle or switch, scrape goo off a window, service a faucet or shower that has Allen keys. Doing renovation work, it's always on my belt even if the specific tool is somewhere onsite. Less running around.

DrMike
02-12-2019, 10:24 PM
Is this the Dr. Mike of Dr. Mike's glue?

Seeing that I've never heard of "Dr. Mike's glue"... probably not.

DrMike
02-12-2019, 10:32 PM
The best multi-tool is not a replacement for any real tool.

Is it the best knife you can carry? No way.
Is it the best pair of pliers? No.
Is it the best scissors? Oh, hell no.
Is it the best set of screwdrivers? Not even close.

It is, however, is what fits in my pocket 24/7, no matter what clothes I have on. I know instantly looking at the task whether the multi-tool in my pocket is up to the job. If it's not, I'll pass and look for a real tool. But 80% of the time, the task is done before I'd be able to find a real screwdriver. Or pliers. Or scissors.

The multi-tool never sees the light of day in my shop, filled as it is with real tools.
In the real world, it's out all the time.

gellfex
02-12-2019, 10:39 PM
The multi-tool never sees the light of day in my shop, filled as it is with real tools.

Eh, sometimes I just want to scrape a burr or grab something with the plier, and it's right there on my hip...

Fasttrack
02-12-2019, 11:14 PM
The best multi-tool is not a replacement for any real tool.

Is it the best knife you can carry? No way.
Is it the best pair of pliers? No.
Is it the best scissors? Oh, hell no.
Is it the best set of screwdrivers? Not even close.

It is, however, is what fits in my pocket 24/7, no matter what clothes I have on. I know instantly looking at the task whether the multi-tool in my pocket is up to the job. If it's not, I'll pass and look for a real tool. But 80% of the time, the task is done before I'd be able to find a real screwdriver. Or pliers. Or scissors.

The multi-tool never sees the light of day in my shop, filled as it is with real tools.
In the real world, it's out all the time.

^This! Except sometimes my multi-tool does come out in the shop to handle a hot part that just dropped from a cut-off saw or parting operation or maybe to pick up some sharp/hot swarf. I also sometimes wear ordinary pliers on my belt around the shop for this reason.

PStechPaul
02-12-2019, 11:54 PM
Some other cheap alternatives:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/QUK-Pliers-Multitool-Folding-Pocket-EDC-Camping-Outdoor-Survival-hunting-Screwdriver-Kit-Bits-Knife-Bottle-Opener/32948388986.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.46.7e831232 sAf5Q9&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10065_10 130_10068_10890_10547_319_10546_317_10548_10545_10 696_453_10084_454_10083_10618_10307_537_536_10902_ 10059_10884_10887_321_322_10103,searchweb201603_45 ,ppcSwitch_0&algo_expid=876c9bb2-1dc6-4f0d-9320-85347f7e4cab-8&algo_pvid=876c9bb2-1dc6-4f0d-9320-85347f7e4cab&transAbTest=ae803_4 ($11.52)
https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1htPwXyDxK1RjSsphq6zHrpXan.jpg

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Outdoor-Multitool-Pliers-Repair-Pocket-Knife-Fold-Screwdriver-set-Hand-Multi-Tools-Mini-Folding-Pocket-Portable/32739148196.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.70.7e831232 sAf5Q9&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10065_10 130_10068_10890_10547_319_10546_317_10548_10545_10 696_453_10084_454_10083_10618_10307_537_536_10902_ 10059_10884_10887_321_322_10103,searchweb201603_45 ,ppcSwitch_0&algo_expid=876c9bb2-1dc6-4f0d-9320-85347f7e4cab-12&algo_pvid=876c9bb2-1dc6-4f0d-9320-85347f7e4cab&transAbTest=ae803_4 ($11)
http://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1GrwXSpXXXXXUXFXXq6xXFXXXT.jpg

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/QST-EXPRES-Multitool-Pliers-Pocket-Knife-Screwdriver-Set-Kit-Adjustable-Wrench-Jaw-Spanner-Repair-Survival-Hand/1000004087067.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.93.7e8312 32sAf5Q9&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10065_10 130_10068_10890_10547_319_10546_317_10548_10545_10 696_453_10084_454_10083_10618_10307_537_536_10902_ 10059_10884_10887_321_322_10103,searchweb201603_45 ,ppcSwitch_0&algo_expid=876c9bb2-1dc6-4f0d-9320-85347f7e4cab-15&algo_pvid=876c9bb2-1dc6-4f0d-9320-85347f7e4cab&transAbTest=ae803_4 ($9)
http://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1bC4MRpXXXXcYXXXXq6xXFXXXP.jpg?size=251531&height=750&width=750&hash=d3e45523ec7ba0a65e4cfb972998f4e5

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Multifunction-Pliers-With-Screwdriver-Kit-Pocket-Multi-Hand-Tools-Survival-Knife-Fold-Hunting-Portable-Outdoor-2018/32893353340.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.168.7e83123 2sAf5Q9&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10065_10 130_10068_10890_10547_319_10546_317_10548_10545_10 696_453_10084_454_10083_10618_10307_537_536_10902_ 10059_10884_10887_321_322_10103,searchweb201603_45 ,ppcSwitch_0&algo_expid=876c9bb2-1dc6-4f0d-9320-85347f7e4cab-25&algo_pvid=876c9bb2-1dc6-4f0d-9320-85347f7e4cab&transAbTest=ae803_4 ($10)
http://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1tkK1vlyWBuNkSmFPq6xguVXaY.jpg

I also have a folding multipurpose gardening tool, with pretty good pruning shears. I got it from Harbor Freight years ago, and it is my go-to tool for clipping nasty weeds like multiflora rose or small tree limbs. $15 on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Zenport-MFT45-Grafting-Budding-Pruning/dp/B005MH89A4/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=folding+pruning+shears&qid=1550033196&s=gateway&sr=8-8

Some other multitools:

https://www.amazon.com/Sheffield-12913-Premium-Hammer-Tool/dp/B000NJUU94/ref=pd_day0_hl_86_1/140-9967832-5793200?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B000NJUU94&pd_rd_r=f0d72e3c-2f4a-11e9-a2a5-f7b1fe51f851&pd_rd_w=qPuBH&pd_rd_wg=QUol4&pf_rd_p=ad07871c-e646-4161-82c7-5ed0d4c85b07&pf_rd_r=5TCPY3NHDYKPJETMZJCE&psc=1&refRID=5TCPY3NHDYKPJETMZJCE (claw hammer pliers $13)

https://www.amazon.com/Sheffield-12913-Premium-Hammer-Tool/dp/B000NJUU94/ref=pd_day0_hl_86_1/140-9967832-5793200?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B000NJUU94&pd_rd_r=f0d72e3c-2f4a-11e9-a2a5-f7b1fe51f851&pd_rd_w=qPuBH&pd_rd_wg=QUol4&pf_rd_p=ad07871c-e646-4161-82c7-5ed0d4c85b07&pf_rd_r=5TCPY3NHDYKPJETMZJCE&psc=1&refRID=5TCPY3NHDYKPJETMZJCE ($14 hatchet/hammer/pliers/saw)

danlb
02-13-2019, 01:29 AM
I've have a full sized multi tool in each car's glove-box. One is a Leatherman and the other is a Gerber. Both were presents. They are quite useful in a breakdown situation.

In my pocket is a Leatherman Squirt ES4 or the Radio shack version. It's smaller than a BIC lighter. The "E" is for Electrical. "S" indicates scissors. The pliers have real wire strippers and usable needle nose style pliers. The file is brittle but will chew away the brass of a key when fashioning one in an emergency.

My other favorite for business clothes is the Leatherman Mira in stainless steel. The main tool is a usable scissors. The blade is sharpened scalpel style. The file is a diamond dust emery board style that can do nails or file small parts.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71IJly1-mZL._SL1500_.jpg

Dan

John Buffum
02-13-2019, 08:07 AM
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Is this the Dr. Mike of Dr. Mike's glue?

Seeing that I've never heard of "Dr. Mike's glue"... probably not.

There was a guy at Cabin Fever selling a glue kit, Dr. Mike's Glue, https://www.drmikesglue.com/, consisting of ca glue, filler, and several other bottles for $69. Reliably repairs plastic, great small ding filler, etc. Wasn't there this year, but then, I didn't attend Sunday. Buying resupply of glue is one of the many reasons I go.

John Buffum
02-13-2019, 08:33 AM
The reason I need scissors is fishing line. The scissors are great for cutting 10 lb monofil or Spiderwire. The knife just won't do, and the wire cutter definitely won't. The pliers and the knife are useful for soooo many things.

OK, I'm convinced. Leatherman. No more El Cheapo. Certain tools, you just gotta have quality. I'd get another Gerber, but the knife blade they put on the tool is a waste of steel. Sad thing is, Gerber makes GOOD knives. Good, hard steel, and good looking. They just short their multitool.

I've tried Wenger and Victorinox in the past, but their knife blades, too, are not up to it. The Victorinox scissors are excellent.

Black Forest
02-13-2019, 08:35 AM
I carry a Leatherman Surge everyday. I put this thing through hell. It is much better than other Leathermans I have owned. Everything is replaceable. I can get a really good edge on my knives but it takes some work.

John Buffum
02-13-2019, 09:20 AM
Going to my favorite gun store. They have a staggering array of knives and multitools. They have quite a few Leatherman. Will get something used, in the $35-$50 range. They have over 600 knives. Everything from tiny things the size of a silver dollar, to Conan the Barbarian swords. NICE selection of bayonets from the 1890's on. Beautiful hunting knives by Buck, Case, Kershaw, and other quality brands. In a locked case, they have a couple of Renaissance stilettos from the 15th Century. Nasty.

I'll choose from one of their Leatherman multitools.

Tungsten dipper
02-13-2019, 10:23 AM
The reason I need scissors is fishing line. The scissors are great for cutting 10 lb monofil or Spiderwire. The knife just won't do, and the wire cutter definitely won't. The pliers and the knife are useful for soooo many things.

OK, I'm convinced. Leatherman. No more El Cheapo. Certain tools, you just gotta have quality. I'd get another Gerber, but the knife blade they put on the tool is a waste of steel. Sad thing is, Gerber makes GOOD knives. Good, hard steel, and good looking. They just short their multitool.

I've tried Wenger and Victorinox in the past, but their knife blades, too, are not up to it. The Victorinox scissors are excellent.

Spiderwire is the toughest line to cut; the scissors have to be sharp, then the spider wire dulls them.

wdtom44
02-13-2019, 10:30 AM
While not what you are looking for I have a Leatherman Micro, a key chain multi tool. Got it as a gift. Kinda laughed at it. But not anymore. I have found it very handy to trim a ripped fingernail, pull splinters, file nails (on my fingers), and always have a knife handy. Love it now.

danlb
02-13-2019, 01:28 PM
While not what you are looking for I have a Leatherman Micro, a key chain multi tool. Got it as a gift. Kinda laughed at it. But not anymore. I have found it very handy to trim a ripped fingernail, pull splinters, file nails (on my fingers), and always have a knife handy. Love it now.

Don't forget that the funny shaped blade is for philips head screws, the little dinky one on the bottle opener blade works for small eye glass screws and surface mount potentiometers. All my family carry one type of micra or the other. I give them as presents. If you give as gifts, there are half a dozen variations, including some with stout pliers (the PS version) and some with other specialty blades.

Dan

old mart
02-13-2019, 02:49 PM
The trouble with multitools is that they do a lot of things, but none of them well.

Tungsten dipper
02-13-2019, 03:09 PM
The trouble with multitools is that they do a lot of things, but none of them well.

But...Glorious to have when there's nothing else.

John Buffum
02-13-2019, 03:53 PM
Ordering the Leatherman Wingman. Waiting to hear if it comes with the pouch. Ebay asks another $15 for the pouch. Leatherman asks $10, but then, there's shipping.

In shopping for a multitool, I saw some pretty bizarre things. Imagine carrying a claw hammer multitool in your pocket! (Pity none of them had a genuine Starfleet power conduit calibration tool.) Saw one with an LED flashlight, and another with a magnetic tipped shaft for retrieving dropped screws. Then, there's the old Boy Scout Mess Kit knife, with a fork and a spoon. BULKY!

The Wingman has everything I need, and I like the guarantee. I checked out Gerber's guarantee. No comparison.

mklotz
02-13-2019, 04:13 PM
Another vote for the Leatherman WAVE and the assorted bit collection. An extension adapter is available. It fits the bit receiver on the WAVE and can accept standard 1/4" hex screwdriver bits which really expands the utility of the tool. It fits in a side pocket on the belt pouch.

For daily carry get the skeltool model...

https://www.amazon.com/Leatherman-Skeletool-Multitool-Stainless-Steel/dp/B000XU9NXW/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3KXAOHEYMK786&keywords=leatherman+skeletool&qid=1550092275&s=gateway&sprefix=leatherman+skel%2Csporting%2C212&sr=8-1

Unless you encounter a lot of unopened wine bottles in your wanderings, get the Victorinox Fieldmaster model...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IS69/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

which substitutes a Phillips driver for the corkscrew. The wicked sharp saw blade is great for impromptu pruning as I move around the yard.

Why doesn't Victorinox make available a knife system so you can assemble the blades you really need? A skeleton carrier in different blade capacities and separately purchasable blades you mount to the skeleton to make a personalized Swiss messer.

DrMike
02-13-2019, 04:14 PM
Wasn't familiar so I looked up the Wingman - decent set of tools, good price, nice choice.
Evidently it does not come with a pouch; 7 oz seems like a lot to have in a pocket.

Yeah, there are some crazy things in some multi-tools, most just seem to scream "Hey, look what we put in it now!" Few of them seem to be designed to actually carry around every day and work when needed. I have a feeling most are destined for non-tool folks who just want a whole box of tools to fold up and fit neatly in a drawer, never to be used. These are the "tools" that my in-laws pull out when they ask me on holidays "Hey, do you think you can fix...?"

Dan Dubeau
02-13-2019, 05:07 PM
I used to have a nice Leatherman. Don't remember which model, but it had scissors, and pliers I think. It was about 15+ years ago so the memory is a bit fuzzy. Carried it a lot, especially when fishing, as it was just more versatile than a knife alone. It's resting at the bottom of Lake Simcoe now, as my buddy across the hut borrowed it while ice fishing, but he fumbled the hand off..... kerplunk. I think it might have been a gift, as I don't remember buying it. I've got a smaller import one that's in my fishing gear now, but it's nowhere close to being as nice as that leatherman was. Quality tools. They don't float though. lol

Edit: Just went to the website, and I'm pretty sure mine was the wingman model, or one very similar if they didn't make that one back then. It had the bigger scissors that folded out opposite the pliers. I'm going to buy another one now :)

softtail
02-13-2019, 05:41 PM
Leatherman.. all others are wannabes.

I have two of the originals.. one big, one small with leather sheaths. Found them both years ago.

Steve Steven
02-13-2019, 06:24 PM
I have a SOG tool, don't remember what model it is but REALLY like it, had it for25 years or so. Goes everywhere with me, won't be without it. Broke knife blade using it as a pry, really bummed me but kept using it. Broke one of the needle nose off and called SOG to find out what it would cost to fix it, was told "Send it in, no charge!" Got it back with new knife blade and pliers works great! Can't beat the guarantee!!

Steve

John Buffum
02-13-2019, 06:35 PM
The key to making a good tool is to use good steel, steel appropriate to the application. Knife blade that will hold an edge, pliers that won't mush or bend under pressure. Scissors that will actually cut. Wire cutters that will cut mild steel wire. Screwdriver tips that won't fold over or shear off. Screwdriver blades that stick out of the ends, not the middle (like Victorinox). A file that is actually useful. No sleeve of small parts that inevitably go missing. A lanyard eye so no kerplunk in the lake. A nice belt sheath.

If the steel is good, extra weight we don't object.

And no one, no one can beat a great guarantee.

Supposedly, I'll have my Wingman on the 19th. Gotta figure how to secure it in the car so no #$%*&%*&@ punk can steal it. Since I'm in my shop most other times, I have endless tools, there, so it's not needed.

garyhlucas
02-13-2019, 08:44 PM
I really researched multi-tools. In my book it is only useful if it is in your pocket all the time. So big ones are out. My favorite is the Leatherman Pulse no longer made. Target was clearing them out once and I got five for $20 each! Gave one as a present. One I set on top of machine that moves and it came back broken! My last Pulse I lost someplace and it has never turned up. Right now I have a cheap Leatherman Rev which I don’t like.

So a problem with new Leathermans. The older ones were forged blades. The new one are Powdered Metal technology that are much stronger. However the failure mode is no longer bending, it snaps right off with no warning! I liked the bendable blades better.

The Pulse is still available on Ebay as new or used and when I stop buying other tools I will get another.

barracudajoe
02-13-2019, 10:12 PM
I started with a Gerber years ago when they were US made. I carried it all my waking hours and used it everyday at work for about 12 years. It was a decent tool. I moved it into my survival pack and bought a Leatherman Rebar to take it's place about 6 years ago. I actually prefer the Leatherman but could get by with either.

Paul Alciatore
02-14-2019, 12:01 AM
I've been carrying a SOG for near a decade now. It does not try to have everything; no fork, no spoon, no magnifier, etc. It has needle nose pliers with a good shearing wire cutter, one knife blade, one Phillips and one straight slot screwdriver blade, a can opener, a two sided file, and a jeweler's size screw driver. Wait, inch and metric scales stamped on the side. That's it.

I have not used it a lot, but it has done everything I have asked of it. It is every bit as good as the day I bought it: no rust, nothing loose, nothing worn out, no missing parts, etc. The handles are geared together so they work properly with the needle nose. there is about a 2 to 1 mechanical advantage between the handles and the jaws so you can apply a lot of pressure if needed. This is not through those gears; it uses a differential lever arm mechanism so it is very reliable. I have used the file on aluminum and mild steel with no signs of damage. I assume it would be OK with brass and plastic but haven't tried them.

It came with a leather pouch with a snap and that also has lasted these years with little signs of deterioration. About a year or two ago I managed to find enough spare space in it for a spare truck key. So I don't fear being locked out of my truck any more. That happened to me once in January in Iowa and I had to walk two miles in the snow to get a spare key. And then two miles back. Yea, I was too cheap to call a cab.

Anyway, the SOG is the second multi-tool that I have carried and it is far better than the first one. I love it and do recommend it. But not if you want forks and magnifiers and the kitchen sink.

PS: I also carry four magnifiers, one of which doubles as a flashlight (LED type): 2x, 10x, 15x, and 20x. The other three are Hastings Triplets which are regarded as the very best magnifiers by many users. As for forks and spoons, there's always one's fingers.

John Buffum
02-14-2019, 08:05 AM
How's the blade on the SOG?

With the guarantee on the Wingman, I'm not worried about the blade snapping. I had trouble with the Gerber scissors, and Gerber refused to sell me a new scissors blade. Since I did not keep the receipt, they would not service it. They can keep 'em. My Gerber is in 30 feet of water off Ft. Lauderdale. The lanyard broke. The Wingman's lanyard will be paracord.

Black Forest
02-14-2019, 11:34 AM
One complaint I have with Leatherman tools are the carry cases. They suck. As soon as they start to wear I rebuild the case in a more substantial form.

Euph0ny
02-15-2019, 05:01 AM
I have had a Victorinox Swiss Tool X in a belt-carry pouch for many years. Not cheap, but superb quality and durability. The pliers is particularly good, and the reason it is superior in that role to the regular Swiss Army Knife type of knife/multitool. I gather the Swiss Tool is not permitted in the UK because of the scary locking blades.

https://www.victorinox.com/global/en/Products/Swiss-Army-Knives/SwissTools/SwissTool-X/p/3.0327.L

Black Forest
02-15-2019, 06:50 AM
I like having two blades on my Leatherman. One I use for everyday around the farm use such as cutting open big round bales of hay and straw. Or cutting the string for our electric fence. The second blade is reserved for cutting only rope for emergency purposes. If a horse gets hung up or if I would get tangled up in a rope for some reason. That blade is pampered and protected. I keep it sharper than what is was when brandnew! Think Katanna sharp.

thaiguzzi
02-15-2019, 09:26 AM
Leatherman.
Mines over 25 years old, fantastic bit of kit.

Doozer
02-15-2019, 10:06 AM
Keep a good assortment of tools in a mechanic's box
locked in the trunk of your car and stop trying to be
McGuyver and keeping a god awful bulky thing in
your pocket.

-Doozer

fixerdave
02-15-2019, 07:37 PM
Had a SOG, used it for years. Bought a Leatherman Crunch... I really missed being able to open the SOG up one-handed while holding whatever else I was holding (while suddenly realising I needed a pair of pliers). But, it's so nice having actual locking pliers with the Crunch. Annoying to take out and set up, very annoying when it flops apart while adjusting... but that vice-grip click and it's there. That's very, very good. Then, I've got 2 hands to do whatever. I really like that, so that's what I carry. Been carrying it for a long time now.

Not ideal, not in your spec, but more than useful enough to live with it's annoying flaws.

David...

John Buffum
02-19-2019, 02:35 PM
Bought the pouch for the Wingman. Nice. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Leatherman-Nylon-Sheath-Case-for-Wave-Charge-Sidekick-Wingman-Blast/202588697617?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

Now, to shop around for a lanyard. I suppose something the thickness of glasses rope ... but I'd need three feet.

Bob La Londe
02-19-2019, 05:29 PM
Overall if I were to pick one brand it would be Leatherman. They have a number of different models, but the bigger tools with locking blades are very good.

I'd take a cheap Chinese knockoff over an SOG. Had a brand new SOG plier snap in two in my hand.

John Buffum
02-20-2019, 08:14 AM
I've used the Wingman a few times, now, and it does all I need done. (big grin) I could use a voltmeter/ammeter blade. But all joking aside, the two flat screwdrivers, and the phillips, the scissors and the knife are all I need right now. Have yet to exercise the wire cutters. I LOVE the spring loading on the pliers. I wish I could retrofit all my Craftsman needlenose pliers with that. I have a tiny set that are spring loaded, and it's so hand saving.

I don't trust spring belt clips. In tight quarters, the tool tends to get neatly lifted from the belt. Lost a nice lockback knife that way. A pouch, in tight quarters, tends to annoy, but you keep its contents.

kendall
02-20-2019, 12:43 PM
I have a couple of spring clip knives, both were found out in the woods. When I carry either of them, I keep the knife inside my belt so it doesn't get lifted.
I have an old Gerber multi tool, can't remember the name with slide out standard pliers. I like it because it has the smooth outer grips.
Primary dislike with multi-tools is that you have to open it fully to access anything else.

DR
02-20-2019, 12:57 PM
I have a Leatherman that was gifted to me. For awhile I kept it in the pickup and actually had a minor engine problem which I was able to fix with the tool. Now it's on my desk under stuff.

Leatherman is headquartered in Portland, OR. One of the founders is really named Leatherman. The grinding shop in Kent, WA I use makes parts for Leatherman. I've seen 55 gallon drums full of parts, that's a lot of parts (this was a few years back so hopefully Leatherman has not off-shored manufacturing).

reggie_obe
02-20-2019, 02:13 PM
Keep a good assortment of tools in a mechanic's box
locked in the trunk of your car and stop trying to be
McGuyver and keeping a god awful bulky thing in
your pocket.

-Doozer

Agreed!

If you need to carry a knife with you, get a good folder and a belt sheath with a flap.

Arcane
02-20-2019, 05:14 PM
I just discovered I have a multitool! It was sitting on a shelve and I found it while I was looking for something else. It's an ESP brand as shown here (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=73711.0). It must be cheap sh!t since it's got my old employee's corporate name on it...some old award for something. I retired from there 10 years ago come this May 31.

John Buffum
02-20-2019, 05:32 PM
Wow. That's a keeper. Sorta like the $100 and up Leatherman tool.

CH Perdue
02-20-2019, 06:58 PM
I have carried a Schrade ST1NB Tough Tool, for years and have never had a single problem and it has scissors. Got mine from amazon under 20 bucks.
CH

thaiguzzi
02-21-2019, 01:21 AM
Keep a good assortment of tools in a mechanic's box
locked in the trunk of your car and stop trying to be
McGuyver and keeping a god awful bulky thing in
your pocket.

-Doozer

You are forgetting how good the quality of a Leatherman's pliers are.
Damn good pliers.

gellfex
02-21-2019, 01:43 PM
Primary dislike with multi-tools is that you have to open it fully to access anything else.

Old news, like a lot of Leatherman critiques in the thread. The WAVE is 1st and foremost a 'one hand' thumb opening knife, either the smooth or serrated blades. The file and saw are also on the outside.

John Buffum
02-23-2019, 08:19 AM
GREAT discussion of the steel used in multitools.

https://pocketmultitools.com/what-is-the-best-steel-for-a-multi-tool-knife/

Helps to answer my original question, but the Wingman is still THE keeper. At this point, can't see upgrading. No real advantage. Gerber refuses to identify their steel, so, I'm guessing the other brands have stuff superior to theirs. Glad I listened to you guys and bought Leatherman.

Oh yeah, I bought, for $15, a 1-1/2" Gerber lock back. It stays in the pocket. Unobtrusive, and opens letters and packages. Good steel. Sharp out of the box, and, after a lot of use, still sharp.

Craftsman tools - no nonsense exchange it guarantee.
Snap-On tools - same.
Leupold scopes - Just send it in and we fix it. No charge.
Leatherman multitools - same.

I'm a big fan of lifetime, no nonsense guarantees, especially when the company proves it's true (Craftsman, Snap-On, Leupold). I'll pay a bit more for it, just for that feature.

(!!!!) Just went on Leatherman's web site and read their warranty page. Original owner. 25 year. NOT whoever and forever. Good thing I registered my Wingman.

gellfex
02-23-2019, 12:55 PM
Helps to answer my original question, but the Wingman is still THE keeper.

Without the insert bit holder like the WAVE, it's half the tool it could be.

Glug
02-23-2019, 01:11 PM
I never like to carry the same multitool two days in a row, so they just sort of add up.


https://www.use.com/images/s_2/7ce3b4a0f67021360337_1.jpg

https://www.use.com/images/s_2/7ce3b4a0f67021360337_2.jpg

John Buffum
02-23-2019, 01:13 PM
I strongly considered a tool with the insert bit holder. I then pictured losing those bits one at a time. I wonder if they are proprietary, or standardized? If proprietary, replacement would be, to say the least, inconvenient. My church gave me a freebie screwdriver with 10 bits in the handle. Chinese, but it does what is required. It's in my car, with the Wingman. (big grin) The thief didn't take the screwdriver. The screwdriver has served me well.

To get at the car's serious self-rescue tool kit, unload the back of the cargo area, take up the floor, take the bolt out of the center of the spare, pull the spare, and there it is. Having two multi-use tools ready at hand is much better. However, if something serious needs to be done, having real wrenches, real pliers, real ratchets, and real screwdrivers is the way to go. With the self-rescue kit, I can change an alternator or a battery, replace hoses, change a tire, etc. With the Wingman and the multi screwdriver, I can do dashboard work, fuses, trim,tail light bulbs, serious, but not heavy stuff. All of the tools are necessary for something.

John Buffum
02-23-2019, 01:18 PM
Referring to pictures.

You have a lot of duplicates, there. Good. Losing a tool does not deprive you of its functionality ;-)

gellfex
02-23-2019, 01:34 PM
I never like to carry the same multitool two days in a row, so they just sort of add up.

What is that really, TSA confiscations? As for losing inserts, I've replaced the $20 set once since 2002. Just be careful and always put the one you remove back in the holder.

PStechPaul
02-23-2019, 03:17 PM
One time, while in line for TSA screening at the airport, I discovered that I had a multi-tool in my pocket (or perhaps my carry-on). I was able to go to baggage claim and put it on a shelf in their unclaimed baggage room, and retrieved it when I returned a few days later. It's quite a statement about how times have changed when you watch an old movie from the 50s or 60s where passengers routinely carried knives and guns (remember William Shattner's demon on the wing?).

Another time I had some long sharp deck screws in an outer pocket of a carry-on gym bag, and it went through the scanner with no problem. And yet another time I had a cordless drill and was told I had to put it in checked baggage to be carried "in the belly of the plane".

Yeah, "The Times Have Changed":


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrId1cNbEsc

John Buffum
02-23-2019, 06:05 PM
Yeah, as a result of terrorism and school shootings, some pretty crazy "changes" are being SERIOUSLY considered. (grin) I just hope there isn't a fledgeling anti-multitool movement getting started out there. Join the NMA today! (National Multitool Association).

Yeah, I remember smoking on airplanes.

When I was 10, in the 1950's, I was a smallbore match shooter. I used to ride the city bus to and from the range with my rifle and equipment. Imagine getting on the bus, today, with a rifle. Yeah, change.

I use 30 weight non detergent motor oil to lube my mill and my lathe. Would that be good for the Wingman?

dalee100
02-24-2019, 11:02 AM
Hi,

Don't think I've ever oiled any of my Leatherman tools. Beyond dropping them into an oily mess while using them anyway. But if it makes you happy, I use a drop of 3in1 oil on my slip-joint knives when they need it.

Bmyers
02-24-2019, 11:38 AM
I've carried a Leatherman juice S2 for 5 years now. Love mine.
https://www.leatherman.com/juice-s2-363.html

v860rich
02-24-2019, 05:12 PM
I've been watching this thread since it started.
I wasn't aware of all the different Leatherman models available, so I got mine out to look at it's name.
I then went to the Leatherman link above to see if it's still in production.
The only PST II I found on their site was labeled as a Collector's Edition. Wow, I don't think I should carry this thing for fear of loosing it.
I couldn't find just a regular PST II and the one I found is over $270.00!!!
I'm sure mine wasn't bought as a Collector's multitool!!

THANX RICH

softtail
02-24-2019, 06:13 PM
PST II are common on ebay 30-70 bucks.

John Buffum
02-25-2019, 08:02 AM
Just remember the cheese sandwich that sold for $1,500.

I bought my first multitool from the PX for $69. A Gerber. I used it a lot for PC work. This was 1995. Today, the MSRP for a similar tool is about $50.