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Ringo
02-25-2019, 09:05 AM
I'm on coastal Georgia, and my search for a HSM mill took me from Craigslist & Ebay & beyond, there isn't many machines outside the rust belt.
Out of boredom the other day, I clicked around my old favorite internet searches, look what I found:

1. is this a Taiwan clone of a Rusnok?
https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/col/tls/d/naples-universal-milling-machine/6817298483.html

2. a vert boring machine outside of Tampa
https://sarasota.craigslist.org/tls/d/tallevast-milling-machine/6798843874.html

3. a Grizzly combo machine
https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/tls/d/cape-coral-3-in-1-lathe-milling-and/6809062987.html

4. Taiwan 8x30 mill. If this is made by the Select name, it has scraped ways. If it is a Enco then I dont know. I have the 6x26 Select and it is fine machine.
https://sarasota.craigslist.org/tls/d/north-port-milling-machine-120-volts/6812354892.html

CCWKen
02-25-2019, 09:55 AM
I live in the machine desert South of San Antonio. Any machines that do show up around here are usually grabbed-up and shipped to Mexico. Prices typically run 2X higher than anywhere else for that reason. Many machines don't even make it to auctions. As soon as word gets out some shop is closing, buyers line up at the door with cash in hand. Or private sales occur.

I got my BP from a closing gun shop about 80 miles North of here. The picture below is one from the original auction listing. Although it looks worse than it really was, this is what you get around here for about $2.2k plus tax and auction premium. :eek: The included vise was junk but the mill had a brand new Baldor 1.5hp 3ph motor. The worst part was cleaning all the grease the previous owner had pumped into the ways. :rolleyes:

It does look much better now.

http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=4714&d=1551105498

reggie_obe
02-25-2019, 10:05 AM
Ringo, something wrong with going to an auction? Start at MachineTools dot com and check out the auctions.

Ringo
02-25-2019, 10:30 AM
those machine auctions are not even close to me, plus shipping freight, sight unseen, are all 3phase power. I needed a small single phase machine, close enough to get it in my own truck

Sparky_NY
02-25-2019, 10:32 AM
I'm on coastal Georgia, and my search for a HSM mill took me from Craigslist & Ebay & beyond, there isn't many machines outside the rust belt.
Out of boredom the other day, I clicked around my old favorite internet searches, look what I found:

1. is this a Taiwan clone of a Rusnok?
https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/col/tls/d/naples-universal-milling-machine/6817298483.html

2. a vert boring machine outside of Tampa
https://sarasota.craigslist.org/tls/d/tallevast-milling-machine/6798843874.html

3. a Grizzly combo machine
https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/tls/d/cape-coral-3-in-1-lathe-milling-and/6809062987.html

4. Taiwan 8x30 mill. If this is made by the Select name, it has scraped ways. If it is a Enco then I dont know. I have the 6x26 Select and it is fine machine.
https://sarasota.craigslist.org/tls/d/north-port-milling-machine-120-volts/6812354892.html

I'm only 12 miles from the georgia border and routinely see lots of machines at good prices. I realize your at the costal area which apparently changes things for supply / demand.

reggie_obe
02-25-2019, 10:37 AM
those machine auctions are not even close to me, plus shipping freight, sight unseen, are all 3phase power. I needed a small single phase machine, close enough to get it in my own truck

That is just one source for finding auctions. Like Craigslist, just keep looking. Limiting yourself to single phase for lack of a phase converter or VFD, eliminates a lot of good machinery.

mattthemuppet
02-25-2019, 10:56 AM
I'd go with the 8x30, it's a capable machine for its size. I have the smaller version and I'm very happy with it. Several others on here (Dan?) have the 8x30 version and they seem very happy with theirs too. It's no BP, but within it's size envelope it does very well. Easy to tuck into the corner of a garage too. I picked mine up in Austin with an HF bandsaw and a Delta drill press and towed them all back to San Antonio with a Subaru Outback on a drop deck trailer. Slowly :)

Leadfootin
02-25-2019, 11:00 AM
Don't limit yourself to single phase machines. There are lots of VFD's out there cheap to convert single to three phase. My 600V 3phase Bridgeport has a step up transformer from 240 to 600V and an old Allen Bradley VFD to convert to 3 phase. Only cost me $200 to implement.

QSIMDO
02-25-2019, 11:23 AM
Why not get in touch with Keith Rucker?
He's always coming up with machines.
https://www.youtube.com/user/ksruckerowwm/videos

Tundra Twin Track
02-25-2019, 11:24 AM
Don't limit yourself to single phase machines. There are lots of VFD's out there cheap to convert single to three phase. My 600V 3phase Bridgeport has a step up transformer from 240 to 600V and an old Allen Bradley VFD to convert to 3 phase. Only cost me $200 to implement.

All of my larger industrial sized machines were all 3ph and I had a lot of 1ph motors sitting around from a dismantled seed plant.My lathe was downsized from 10hp to 5hp and mill from 7.5hp to 5hp all have worked flawless.I have not noticed any poor finishes using 1 ph power that everyone talks about,I just happy to have Larger Machines to handle bigger jobs around the farm that I could not deal with from the smaller machines I used before.
I would have used VFDs or Rotary 3 ph but made it work with what I had on hand.

754
02-25-2019, 11:54 AM
Is there a machine that is easier to convert to single phase motor , than a Bridgeport ?
It looks pretty easy..

J Tiers
02-25-2019, 12:10 PM
All of my larger industrial sized machines were all 3ph and I had a lot of 1ph motors sitting around from a dismantled seed plant.My lathe was downsized from 10hp to 5hp and mill from 7.5hp to 5hp all have worked flawless.I have not noticed any poor finishes using 1 ph power that everyone talks about,I just happy to have Larger Machines to handle bigger jobs around the farm that I could not deal with from the smaller machines I used before.
I would have used VFDs or Rotary 3 ph but made it work with what I had on hand.

The single phase issue is with the tiny Atlas, SB , etc. Marginal hobby machines that are just not as rigid as the bigger ones you have. The inherent vibration of the motor tends to work with the thin and bouncy lathe beds to chatter.

BCRider
02-25-2019, 12:27 PM
I'm on coastal Georgia, and my search for a HSM mill took me from Craigslist & Ebay & beyond, there isn't many machines outside the rust belt.
Out of boredom the other day, I clicked around my old favorite internet searches, look what I found:

1. is this a Taiwan clone of a Rusnok?
https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/col/tls/d/naples-universal-milling-machine/6817298483.html

2. a vert boring machine outside of Tampa
https://sarasota.craigslist.org/tls/d/tallevast-milling-machine/6798843874.html

3. a Grizzly combo machine
https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/tls/d/cape-coral-3-in-1-lathe-milling-and/6809062987.html

4. Taiwan 8x30 mill. If this is made by the Select name, it has scraped ways. If it is a Enco then I dont know. I have the 6x26 Select and it is fine machine.
https://sarasota.craigslist.org/tls/d/north-port-milling-machine-120-volts/6812354892.html

The first one would be OK for lighter work. But all those smaller size round sections could lead to issues with flex and chatter. Plus it's a round column to move the head vertically so the only Z axis travel you can trust is the quill. So all the typical limitations of a round column mill/drill.

The vertical borer is intended as an accurate drill press. So while light duty milling might be possible I suspect it'll have a lot of limitations. I'd give it a pass unless you're interested in restoring an old tool.

For the combo machine? Don't.... just don't.... you'll hate it in so many ways. They are only passingly good for someone with severe space limitations and even then only for working on smaller stuff than what you think you could manage for the size of machine. Even as a lathe I've only ever seen one of the larger versions which had controls and graduated dials that made it a decent machine... And this isn't one of those. As a milling machine they totally suck in almost every way imaginable for anything but the smallest of jobs on the smallest of parts.

So that means that the only decent find from that list is the 8x30 mill And that looks like a nice condition machine for a good price. A small thing but the ways aren't so much scraped as they are frosted to aid with holding oil. But that just shows that it was well cared for or not used all that much for the frosting to be so visible and "streak" free.

It would be worth adding "machine shop auctions georgia" to your list of searches. Not on CL but just a general Google or Bing and check it every day or so. Odds are good that over a month or two you'll find at least one that is within driving distance. Some areas will have more but within a half day's drive you're bound to find SOMETHING of that sort. But don't stop searching CL either.

Tundra Twin Track
02-25-2019, 01:40 PM
Is there a machine that is easier to convert to single phase motor , than a Bridgeport ?
It looks pretty easy..

754 the Varnamo 1 ph conversion was a fun project that I incorperated a Hyd disc brake.As pics show I matched the Flange of the 7.5 hp 3 ph motor by machining a 1" thick plate and used the original internal flex coupling.Then just belt driven from the 5 hp 1ph motor,works great!http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag292/tundratwintrack/image.jpg4_zpsehuocyvv.jpg (http://s1371.photobucket.com/user/tundratwintrack/media/image.jpg4_zpsehuocyvv.jpg.html)http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag292/tundratwintrack/image.jpg5_zpszp20tlk7.jpg (http://s1371.photobucket.com/user/tundratwintrack/media/image.jpg5_zpszp20tlk7.jpg.html)http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag292/tundratwintrack/image.jpg7_zps5q7sd5xi.jpg (http://s1371.photobucket.com/user/tundratwintrack/media/image.jpg7_zps5q7sd5xi.jpg.html)

The single phase issue is with the tiny Atlas, SB , etc. Marginal hobby machines that are just not as rigid as the bigger ones you have. The inherent vibration of the motor tends to work with the thin and bouncy lathe beds to chatter.


That's what I thought Tiers this machine is pretty sturdy and performs great!

J Tiers
02-25-2019, 02:49 PM
That's what I thought Tiers this machine is pretty sturdy and performs great!

Mass fixes everything. We have the best infallible authority for that.......

Tim The Grim
02-25-2019, 04:28 PM
My 1st mill...
In 1983 that top CL listing was a “Ty Fu Yan King Miller” imported from Taiwan by Fairbanks Ward.
It cost me $385 + $45 shipping.
Seeing as mine is messy but far better looking then that one, I guess it was a good investment. It serves as my drill press these days. It did ok as a home shop mill too.
https://i.postimg.cc/Wb89cQBz/C4789196-3-D38-4-F93-B7-AE-2-EB9-FC0-A4-B89.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
If I ever have to thin out my shop and let go of my full size machines, I plan on keeping this and the Craftsman 6x18 on that one bench.

Ringo
02-25-2019, 05:22 PM
Why not get in touch with Keith Rucker?
He's always coming up with machines.
https://www.youtube.com/user/ksruckerowwm/videos

ok, where is he? Georgia, Florida?

QSIMDO
02-25-2019, 05:34 PM
ok, where is he? Georgia, Florida?

Tifton, GA. but he's got contacts all over.
At the top of the YouTube page you'll see "ABOUT".
Click there and , once proving you're not a robot, you'll find his email address.

Tundra Twin Track
02-25-2019, 08:01 PM
Mass fixes everything. We have the best infallible authority for that.......

Are you referring to my slitting saw blunder?

J Tiers
02-26-2019, 02:23 AM
Are you referring to my slitting saw blunder?

Not at all, I was actually thinking of the Pope.... 'twas a pun

RB211
02-26-2019, 03:05 AM
Most tools from private sellers in Florida are over priced rusted junk. Abom79 has a few videos of an auction he went to in Florida and they were giving away American iron high quality mills and lathes. I was actually quite shocked, and thought such deals did not exist in my state. He was in Northern Florida, quite close to you.
I agree with others, go to some auctions. The lathes they sold off for $625 would have nearly every poster on this forum posting pictures of their heist with a giant crap eating grin.

wdtom44
02-26-2019, 09:05 AM
The taiwan mill looks like the best of the 4 you posted. Find an idler pulley with a larger large sheave and it will run slower for large drills, fly cutters, boring head work, etc.

Dan_the_Chemist
02-26-2019, 09:20 AM
those machine auctions are not even close to me, plus shipping freight, sight unseen, are all 3phase power. I needed a small single phase machine, close enough to get it in my own truck

When I got my first real lathe the only decent way to get 3 phase at the farm was a honking big rotary converter. I shyed away from 3 phase for that reason - I only had one and it was noisy and it spun the meter wheel like a carossel at a carneval. A few years I bought a TECO 3-phase converter, and I'm sold. Not only are they the size of a toaster, they allow for easy speed control and have a bucket of other features.

Don't worry about 3-phase... it only costs $150 or so to get a decent source.

Ringo
02-26-2019, 10:21 AM
Recently a guy told me to set up all the machines as 3-phase, and then wire the shop with a single phase converter. the same single phase converter is wired to all of the machines, you can only run 1 machine at a time.
Sounds simple enough to me. But, all those machines at industry auctions are too big for my shop, difficult for me to move, and I have no way to offload a full sized Mill. Besides all that, the wife already informed me not to come home with a toy so big that she cannot dispose of herself if I was to croak.
So, that brings me back to the smaller stuff, that can be transported in someone's pickup truck, and likely to be sold via craigslist, and not ever found at a machine auction, and is more than likely 1phase power from the get-go.

Tundra Twin Track
02-26-2019, 12:01 PM
Not at all, I was actually thinking of the Pope.... 'twas a pun

I thought you were referring to the Mass of the mill that allowed me to do that cut with 8" staggered tooth cutter.Breaking all the rules in the book on first attempt lol!

J Tiers
02-26-2019, 12:05 PM
When I got my first real lathe the only decent way to get 3 phase at the farm was a honking big rotary converter. I shyed away from 3 phase for that reason - I only had one and it was noisy and it spun the meter wheel like a carossel at a carneval. A few years I bought a TECO 3-phase converter, and I'm sold. Not only are they the size of a toaster, they allow for easy speed control and have a bucket of other features.

Don't worry about 3-phase... it only costs $150 or so to get a decent source.

If your rotary converter was "honkin big" and "spun the meter like a carousel", then there was either a serious problem with it, or it was far too big for your needs.* I use an "RPC" that is sized to my requirements, and it sure does NOT rev up the meter.

Nothing wrong with using VFDs, they offer some advantages if you want those features. But you pay for the privilege, since you need one dedicated VFD for each machine. That starts adding up the cost at $150 per machine.

The only way to avoid that is to patch together some sort of setup so you can plug whichever machine you want to use into the VFD while you use it. And you can only use one machine at a time

One correctly sized RPC will supply 3 phaseto your entire shop and will behave just as if you had 3 phase coming in from the pole. You can freely turn any machine on and off without a problem, up to the power limit of the converter. Running two machines at once is no issue if the sum of the powers is no more than the converter rating.

Your choice, of course, but the idea of the RPC sucking up vast amounts of power is just not the way it works.

* Many people who check the RPC current do a quick calculation (wrongly) and come up with huge power input. But that is an error, because the current is drawn at a low power factor, and equates to only a small power. Your meter responds to power, and not to current, so it should not be whirling if your RPC is anything like the right size for your shop, unless you have machines of many HP each.... maybe 10 or 20 HP.

RB211
02-26-2019, 12:22 PM
Recently a guy told me to set up all the machines as 3-phase, and then wire the shop with a single phase converter. the same single phase converter is wired to all of the machines, you can only run 1 machine at a time.
Sounds simple enough to me. But, all those machines at industry auctions are too big for my shop, difficult for me to move, and I have no way to offload a full sized Mill. Besides all that, the wife already informed me not to come home with a toy so big that she cannot dispose of herself if I was to croak.
So, that brings me back to the smaller stuff, that can be transported in someone's pickup truck, and likely to be sold via craigslist, and not ever found at a machine auction, and is more than likely 1phase power from the get-go.Sounds like you should stick with a Taig mill and lathe then, or find a different hobby or wife.

machinejack
02-26-2019, 03:31 PM
Bought my first Bridgeport back in 1995 new off the showroom floor thinking I was getting gutted at $5,500.00. About had a stroke after looking at the price of a new one today. If you can find one get it with the step pulleys the variable speed cone drives tend to be worn out are very noisy when they go to auction and tend to be beyond repairing. Those plastic bushing wear out and you end up metal on metal it's a major undertaking changing them out. I built a 25HP RPC and run my complete hobby shop with it. I have a small 3 axis CNC mill that I built it's great for small jobs in aluminum and plastic any thing else I take to my Bridgeport's. Have a big Boss 5 Bridgeport for bigger things. I'm 67 and have had more time to collect toys. One thing to consider you can make small things on a big machine but it's hard to make big things on a small machine.
Have fun I know I do.
Jack

Dan_the_Chemist
02-26-2019, 03:43 PM
If your rotary converter was "honkin big" and "spun the meter like a carousel", then there was either a serious problem with it, or it was far too big for your needs.*

I suspect it is/was a bit big. It's built around a 3 phase motor that is about 2 feet long and 14 inches in diameter. Unfortunately the name plate is too hard to read so I can't tell you how many kilohorse it is :)

If anybody wants a honkin big rotary converter and lives within "I want that" distance of SE Ohio, I'll let it go to a good home at a cheap price. I even have a cherry picker and overhead crane to help load it. Yeah, it's that big.

J Tiers
02-26-2019, 05:07 PM
I suspect it is/was a bit big. It's built around a 3 phase motor that is about 2 feet long and 14 inches in diameter. Unfortunately the name plate is too hard to read so I can't tell you how many kilohorse it is :)
.....

yeah, that is largish, sounds like up to a 404 frame, anything from 30 HP to 60, depending on age and design. Able to easily deal with from 15 to 30 HP loads...... Yeah, a little oversized for most folks.