View Full Version : size difference #4 & #5 W&S

11-04-2004, 08:55 PM
Can anyone help me with some information on the difference in size between the #4 and the #5 Warner & Swasey turret lathes. For that matter, according to the information I have the #3 is also about the same size. Is that right? I am still looking for a turret assembly and there is a chance that I might be able to get one from a #5.

11-04-2004, 10:37 PM
W&S #3 weighs 3500, #4 4000 or so and #5 5000 or so. #3 has 1-1/2" bar capacity, #4 2", #5 2-1/2", plus I think the swings are different. The above is for the older machines WW2 vintage, the capacities are the same or larger for the square head newer machines.

11-05-2004, 12:37 AM
heres a pic of the shops #2ws and its a big heavy sucker, you dont haul it around with a runt fork lift(we have to borrow one from the saw mill). its spindle is around 3.5"-4".(It was made to make 90mm shell casings in brass.)

the drill in the picture is a 1-1/2 for scale,I love drilling holes whith this old girl.


11-05-2004, 07:46 PM
tattoo- that is most likely a 2A, a saddle type which is much larger than the ram type turret lathes.

11-05-2004, 07:57 PM
It seems strange how they numbered there units. That #2 is definatley larger than my #4. Your right about the weights though. The #5 is 1000lbs heavier. But the #4 I have is a 20" swing thus the model 1420 designation. The #5 I am looking at for parts is also a 20" swing. The head stock diameter on mine is 2.375 and so far all I have read this should only be 2"???? In any case I am still trying to determine if I will be able to adapt the turret (ram type)#5 assembly to my #4??

Milacron of PM
11-05-2004, 08:15 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">It seems strange how they numbered there units. That #2 is definatley larger than my #4</font>

As pointed out, it's not a 2, but a 2A. The "A" makes night and day difference as the saddle type turret lathes are much larger and heavier built. I have blueprints for all W&S models and can look up the way widths, etc but not right now..dog tired from major roadtrip and only reponding to posts where I can stay plopped in my chair http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//wink.gif

11-05-2004, 11:21 PM
The 1-1/2", 2" & 2-1/2" refer to the bar feed capacity for the collet chuck. Yes, the ID of the spindle will be bigger to accommodate the pusher tube that pushes the master collet against the spindle nose piece, closing it.

11-06-2004, 09:44 AM
That would be nice of you, to look up that information when you get a chance. I know the gunny will appreciate it.
It beats what I was going to offer, which was measure mine, and drive across town to the #5 that I had to give away to get mine. It was mistaken as a #4 the whole time it was owned, but is a #5. The owner never ran the #5, just had it sitting.
And of course, I would forget one measurement, and have to drive back over there again...
David from jax

Have gun, will travel.

Milacron of PM
11-06-2004, 12:30 PM
OK, looked at the blueprints.

Way bed width on no. 4 is 8.50" and way bed width on no. 5 is 9.25". Turret on no. 5 slightly larger too.

11-06-2004, 07:38 PM
I'm going to check some photos I was sent. It appears this #5 may fit with only some minor adjustments. The center height is correct for the machine I have.

11-06-2004, 07:43 PM
D. Thomas: If the outside measurment is 9.25" can you tell me what the distance on the inside of the rails is?

11-06-2004, 10:03 PM
Gunsmith- I also suggest that you check the feed rod location on both machines to see if the #5 turret assembly will work on the #4 lathe.

11-07-2004, 07:03 PM
With this unit being located in Pennsylvania and me located on the northern tip of Newfoundland it's nice to be able to get all the info I can. Once I'm comitted there will be no returns on this item. I forgot about the feed rod and I'm not sure if the feed rod even comes into play on the unit I'm looking at. I think if I remember right the feed rod passes under the turret type and not through like it does on the saddle. Not sure?????

11-08-2004, 07:46 PM
The feed rod passes through the apron of the turret assembly. I would definitely find out the location of feed rod for the #5 vs the #4, there is 1000 LB weight difference between the 2 machines and that iron went somewhere.