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Evan
11-21-2004, 11:53 PM
I hate winter. Here it is dark from 4:30pm until 8:00am. The only good thing about winter is that I get to spend more time in the shop. BUT, I have noticed that on the weekends I have a great deal of trouble sleeping, especially on Saturday night. Well, It so happens that I have a small main shop in the basement with very bright lighting. I have over 30,000 lumens in a 12' X 14' space. Very nice for these aged eyes. But, it occured to me this weekend when I awakened at three am that exposure to very bright light for an extended period of time is how you can reset your body clock. Well, I normally do at least several hours of machining on a Saturday evening under those very bright lights. So, it seems that I am jet lagging myself. My wife tells me to machine earlier. I don't feel like that and usually work until 9:30 or 10:00. Then I can't sleep. Ideas?

Mike Burdick
11-22-2004, 12:18 AM
Yeah, grab your wife and head off to Hawaii for three weeks...

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Arcane
11-22-2004, 12:31 AM
too late at night...
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CCWKen
11-22-2004, 01:01 AM
Chamille tea.

darryl
11-22-2004, 01:26 AM
Evan, I have a problem sleeping when there's any light present, and in the morning if it's darker than normal outside, say from heavy cloud, I don't wake easily. I have been considering having a light in the bedroom rigged to the alarm clock so when triggered it will come to full brightness over a period of a few minutes. I don't want the alarm, just the light, and I don't want the light to come on instantly. That just irritates me. I know the light will wake me, and if it's consistant, it could condition me to know that's when day starts. With any luck, that would also condition me to know when it's bedtime. I wonder if that would work for you, possibly becoming a dominant factor if used everyday.

Other than that, maybe having an hour or so of rest under dim light before going to bed would help you minimize that effect.
I haven't tried the light thing yet, but I do sometimes sit in the dark for a while before retiring for the night. It seems to help me, and maybe what it's doing is giving me time to recap the events of the day, thus giving me a subliminal clue that it's bedtime. Possibly creating a 'day's over' mental routine that you think through before retiring would help you. You'd have to do that at a consistant time every night for it to have the best effect.

I have done a 'relaxation response' thing before retiring to help me get to sleep, but one thing that does is make me wake up early and I can't get back to sleep. Possibly a less intense version of this would be better for me. Something like this relaxation response coupled with the mental routine could have a strong regulating effect, overcoming the jet-lag effects you mentioned.

speedy
11-22-2004, 03:33 AM
make love not war. It works a treat, I can go to sleep, post coitus,no worries. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif
It is coming into Summer here, the vege garden is coming on lovely and the weather is wonderful (mostly). Time for house maintenance http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//frown.gif
Ken

Rustybolt
11-22-2004, 08:49 AM
Evan. Just use a light over the machine, keep the rest of the room dark.

nheng
11-22-2004, 09:00 AM
The History channel had a good show on Siberia last night. Low temps of -70F, long winter, short days, pollution up the ying-yang and rising HIV should make you take a deep breath of that clean Canadian air and ... http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif

One idea for winter survival ... take a large transparency of a travel image like Mike's and put it in a window (real or fake) with backlighting. A CD of birds and other tropical sounds could top off the "experience" http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//wink.gif
Den

Wayne02
11-22-2004, 10:29 AM
I've found that wild passionate sex is very exhausting, especially at my age. Usually don't have any trouble getting to sleep after that, regardless of what time it is. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//wink.gif

Paul Gauthier
11-22-2004, 11:56 AM
Thirty mins in the hot tup before bedtime works wonders for me.

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Paul G.

MarkT
11-22-2004, 12:19 PM
Put bright lights where you do spend your time in the morning. That way you are setting your clock early.

Rustybolt
11-22-2004, 12:40 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by nheng:
The History channel had a good show on Siberia last night. Low temps of -70F, long winter, short days, pollution up the ying-yang and rising HIV should make you take a deep breath of that clean Canadian air and ... http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif

One idea for winter survival ... take a large transparency of a travel image like Mike's and put it in a window (real or fake) with backlighting. A CD of birds and other tropical sounds could top off the "experience" http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//wink.gif
Den</font>


Don't laugh. When I can't sleep I turn on the cieling fan in the bedroom and a CD of a summer thunder shower. I'm out within half an hour.

Yankee1
11-22-2004, 03:43 PM
Hi Evan
Its about the same here at this time of the year (Oregon). When I am not sleepy
I study about things I'm interested in. At present thats CAD, Turbo Cad to be exact.
Other times I'll do a search on something interesting like CNC and learn a little.
After a little while I'm sleepy.It works for me.

wierdscience
11-22-2004, 09:13 PM
Eat some turkey? http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

someonesdad
11-22-2004, 09:19 PM
I've had a lifelong habit of reading when I get into bed. I would love to be able to read for an hour or two before falling asleep, but I rarely make it past 30 to 45 minutes. When I start to get drowsy, I put the book away, say goodnight to the wife, and shut my eyes. I'm asleep in a few minutes.

vinito
11-22-2004, 09:41 PM
Cognac

G.A. Ewen
11-22-2004, 11:57 PM
It must be something common to those of us north of the 49th parallel. I haven't sleped much in the last week or so. With any luck I will get to try Wayne02's cure tonight http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

wierdscience
11-23-2004, 12:12 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Wayne02:
I've found that wild passionate sex is very exhausting, especially at my age. Usually don't have any trouble getting to sleep after that, regardless of what time it is. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//wink.gif</font>

10 seconds flat huh? http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

woman
11-23-2004, 02:09 AM
i'm telling you dad. i suffer from this pretty bad. the thing that really works for me is go outside. doesn't matter if i want to or not. if i get outside excersise that day i sleep so much better.
take care
sarah

dvideo
11-23-2004, 03:11 AM
-- Broad Spectrum lighting... Yes, it matters a lot.. Ott lights or equivalent.

-- Watch the Flour. lighting. It does wear.....

Lift weights. You may not feel better, but - done right - you are too tired to complain.

--jr

jfsmith
11-23-2004, 07:44 AM
Try an OTT light, it is sun spectrum in colour and generally not too expensive unlike those "medical grade" lights.

http://www.ottlite.com/


Jerry

spope14
11-23-2004, 08:51 AM
I get this now and then. My general solution is to try and spend as much weekend time outside summer AND winter regardless of weather, and make a special point during the fall and winter sunny days. Sounds too easy, but this was a suggestion by a researcher at Dartmouth Hitchcock. Been five years since that suggestion, and it seems to have worked.

Geeze, I find that in the winter, I have to resort to the dark times doing "shop therapy".

Michael Az
11-23-2004, 09:55 AM
I will send you fellows some sunshine.
Michael Az

new2metalwork
11-23-2004, 02:13 PM
I think I have improved my shop lighting by installing some GE Full Spectrum Flourescent tubes in many of the fixtures. These are quite expensive - at about $6 each - compared to normal 4 foot tubes -at about $1 each, but I bought 10 of them when Home Depot changed brands from GE to Philips, and dropped the price to about $3 each. I use one full spec tube per 2 tube fixture. It is pretty well lit when all fixtures on.

Boomer
11-23-2004, 04:26 PM
Years ago I had a rubber lined rock tumbler running just outside the bedroom door, worked great(white noise?), course I was single then.