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Tuckerfan
10-12-2004, 10:01 PM
Okay, I work with two other guys in the machine shop at a small foundry. There's myself, the die maker and the shop boss (hereafter referred to as Pete Puma (http://www.nonstick.com/wpics/rk_pete1.jpg)). Now, Pete has already earned my dislike for saying such things as, "The people who jumped from the Towers on 9/11 are in Hell." and "I don't think they pay me enough, so I'm not going to work hard until they pay me more." among others, and today I nearly killed the rat b#@$%d for what he did.

Today, I'm running the CNC machine and I finish one process on the series of parts I'm running, so I pull up the program for the next process. I haven't really tried to learn G-Code because any time I come up with a better way of doing something in the shop, Pete Puma starts ranting and raving (http://www.nonstick.com/sounds/Pete_Puma/ltpu_012.mp3) about how I "can't do it that way!" Nevermind that the company is teetering on the edge of bankruptcy and that there's a backlog of work in the shop which needs to be done, he doesn't want me to do anything different than what he does. (He leaves the die maker alone, since the boss has said that the die maker's work is a priority.) So, if I learn G-Code, I'll have to suffer through twice as many instances of Pete bitching me out for doing what any halfway decent employee would do.

In pulling up the program, I first run it through the simulator on the machine (while teaching myself how to do this in the process) to make sure that Pete (http://www.nonstick.com/sounds/Pete_Puma/ltpu_015.mp3) hasn't done his usual job of giving the wrong name to the program. Amazingly enough, it's the right program, so I pull it up in the editor to take a look at the settings I need to run it. Like I said, I don't know G-Code, but I've done some BASIC programming back in high school (nearly 20 years ago, Pete, BTW doesn't remember when he graduated from high school), so I can scan the program (which is about 30 lines) and figure out what settings I need to use before running the program. None of it makes any sense.

I look around to see where Pete is, to ask him what the hell's going on with the program. Pete's on the phone, talking to one of his friends. (http://www.nonstick.com/sounds/Pete_Puma/ltpu_003.mp3) I can either wait for Pete to get off the phone, or I can do some dry runs of the machine and see if I can't figure out what the settings are supposed to be. Given that Pete's generally on the phone for a long time (http://www.nonstick.com/sounds/Pete_Puma/ltpu_002.mp3), I figure that I'm better off doing the dry runs. That way if the owner stops in, at least one of us will look productive. Normally, I'd ask the die maker when I had a question, but he'd gone home for the day already, so that was out.

I do the dry run, and discover that while it looks like the machine's doing the right operations, there's no way to set the parts up there and have them come out right without having to make constant adjustments to the machine. Okay, so I'll have a go at rewriting the program, it's fairly simple, and I can't do worse than what Pete's done. You could grab any random person off the street and in an hour or so teach them how to do the kind of stuff Pete does with the machine.

I get the program rewritten, do a dry run test to make sure that it's going to work the way it's supposed to (it does), chuck a part up into the machine, and just as I'm getting ready to make the final adjustment needed before I can start running the parts, one of the guys from the foundry comes in and tells me they need me to pour a heat of steel. I glance over at Pete to see if he's still on the phone (he is), because I know that if he gets to the machine before I get back, he'll foul everything up. I go slap on my gear and spend the next twenty minutes pouring steel.

When I get back, I find Pete staring at the monitor on the machine. "Oh, sh!t," I think. "Please tell me he's just walked over here and he hasn't messed with anything. Please, please, please." I spend the next five minutes standing silently behind Pete, not wanting to say anything, because I'm terrified that if I do, Pete will confirm my worst fears. Then I see him stabbing at the keyboard with his fingers (http://www.nonstick.com/sounds/Pete_Puma/ltpu_013.mp3), and I clear my throat, hoping that will stop him before he does too much damage to the program. Pete continues jabbing away at the keys for a few minutes, and then turns to me, his face beaming with moronic pride. (http://www.nonstick.com/sounds/Pete_Puma/ltpu_001.mp3)

"Man," he says. "I don't know what happened, but this program was all jacked up. I had to rewrite it from scratch."

"Pete," somehow I manage to keep a calm tone to my voice. "I fixed what was wrong with that program and was just about to start running it when I had to go pour."

"You couldn't have." He then begins a rambling story about what he did and how what I did wouldn't have worked. Surpressing the urge to beat the sh!t out of him (http://www.nonstick.com/sounds/Pete_Puma/ltpu_011.mp3) (not a good idea without the die maker there, since he's promised to help me hide the body should I ever finally kill Pete), I listen, waiting for him to finish. I then, calmly explain to Pete exactly what I did, how it would have worked, and how I knew it would have worked because I'd tested it. Again, Pete insisted that I didn't know what I was talking about, so I repeated myself. Pete pauses and appears to think. (http://www.nonstick.com/sounds/Pete_Puma/ltpu_009.mp3)

"Oh!" He says. "You're right! That would work! Now, how do I do it? (http://www.nonstick.com/sounds/Pete_Puma/ltpu_016.mp3)" So I tell him (it only takes me four times before he starts doing what I tell him to). He punches the keyboard and then wanders off. Naturally, I don't just fire the machine up and start running parts. That would be stupid of me. I do another dry run.

Sure enough, he's screwed something up. I stop the machine and think, for a second, about calling him back over and getting him to figure out what's gone wrong, but I know what that will get me. (http://www.nonstick.com/sounds/Pete_Puma/ltpu_014.mp3) So I go into the editor, spot what looks to be his most likely mistake, change it, and do another dry run. Whaddya know? I fixed it! (http://www.nonstick.com/sounds/Pete_Puma/ltpu_026.mp3)

At the end of this year, I get my certification from school. When I get that, the first thing I'm going to do is start mailing out copies of my resume to all the machine shops in the area. I realize it's a long shot that any of them will hire me with the local economy being so bad, but I have got to get away from this moron before my brains rot out.

HTRN
10-12-2004, 10:27 PM
Harlan Ellison, the man who wrote the Bladerunner story, once said "The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and Stupidity."

HTRN

pgmrdan
10-13-2004, 01:37 AM
LMAO! Great story with even greater sound effects. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif

Mike W
10-13-2004, 04:46 AM
Yeah, great story. You could make a movie with that. Say Hi to Pete. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

Rustybolt
10-13-2004, 07:12 AM
You have my deepest sympathies. Just about everywhere I've worked there have been "Petes"

captainkirk
10-13-2004, 07:19 AM
Does sound to me like a reduction in the gene pool is warranted.

Milacron of PM
10-13-2004, 09:14 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and Stupidity."</font>

There was a seller on eBay a few months back that had an old Hauser jig borer for sale...sitting outside, rusty, etc His minimum bid was something insane...like $15,000 as I recall. Would have been worth perhaps $4,000 tops if absolutely pristine like new, but outside and rusty worth zero.

Anyway, he represented both elements as his eBay moniker was Hydrogenguy


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Ries
10-13-2004, 02:18 PM
Harlan Ellison wrote a lot of great stuff.
I particularly liked "I have no mouth and I must scream".
But he did not write the Bladerunner story.
That movie is based on "Do androids dream of electric sheep" by Phillip K. Dick.
Other adaptations of his stories have given us Total Recall, Minority Report, Screamers, Paycheck, Imposter, and Barjo.
Not bad for a guy who died broke, and most of whose books were out of print for years after he died. And most of whose stories are much better than the movies made from them, except Bladerunner.

decoy91288
10-13-2004, 03:20 PM
Every few years I find a stash of H.Beam Piper stories and immerse myself in them for several weeks. He died young, but left a treasure of great sf writing. I am blessed (??) with erasing memory, so they always strike me a new and different no matter that I've read them several times before. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif That explains also why I can't name a one of them at the moment. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//redface.gif

BillH
10-13-2004, 04:54 PM
I had a shop teacher in High School that must of been "Petes" brother, "Petes" dumber brother. I hope for the students sake and the other good shop teacher that he is not there anymore.

zl1byz
10-13-2004, 05:45 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Rustybolt:
You have my deepest sympathies. Just about everywhere I've worked there have been "Petes"</font>

I think Rustybolt has made a good point here. We can't always like who we have to work with. Sometimes it is hard to earn respect and get along with some people. Funny enough sometimes the ones who seemed least likely to start with, end up being the best. They might just be testing your resolve, once you show you have stickability they will open up. Others are just pathetic little people who have a whole lot of problems themselves probably feel threatened by any one else doing good. I think the main thing is to show them that you wont be pushed around.
Now I wouldn't advise this aproach but I had a situation at work were a guy was needling me, pushing my work aside and generally being difficult. I'm usually pretty easy going and usually ignored it,I think he thought I was weak and it was good sport to push me around. Well one day I snapped and I thumped him, we had a good go at each other. Fortunately we managed not to attract atention to ourselves or we both would probably have been sacked. We avoided each other the rest of the day. The next morning I apologised to him and he too said he was sorry that it had happened. We worked together for several years after that and actually got on really well. I haven't seen him for many years now but if we met in the street i'd have no problems shaking his hand and saying hello.

Main thing is don't moove on because of Pete, because as surea as eggs there will be another Pete waiting at the next job.

Cheers John.

Tuckerfan
10-13-2004, 06:14 PM
zl1byz, thanks for the advice, but "Pete's" not the only reason I'll be leaving. Currently I make $9.90/hr, and even though I've probably saved the company close to $80,000 in the past year, the prospects of me getting a raise are pretty slim.

And while beating Pete to within an inch of his life (not that I'd be able to stop at that point http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//wink.gif ) would be immensely satisfying, all it would accomplish would be bruised knuckles for me and an even greater reason to recommend Pete get plastic surgery.

Pete's most definately jealous of the fact that I'm a better machinist than he could ever hope to be. I've got less experience, less education as a machinist (though more education over all), and from the moment I walked into the shop, I was able to run circles around him. Mind you, I wasn't even attempting to show off when I started in the shop, I was just trying to do a good job. How was I supposed to know that he'd be threatened by me doing a job using only the mill-vise and a mill stop, when it took him that, a jig, and about twenty toe-clamps (he seems to have a fetish for those, for some reason)?

IOWOLF
10-13-2004, 06:28 PM
At the Vickers omaha plant his name was Bitchin Bob.

Nuff said?

zl1byz
10-13-2004, 07:02 PM
Yea oh well, life was never ment to be easy, and there are plenty of Pete's out there. One thing for sure if you both Sabotage each others efforts, youll both be looking for a job. Hopefully if you can avoid getting dragged into any stupidness (thumping anyone) and keep learning and improving. When you are looking for that better job, your present boss while not being able to provide you with the opertunities you want. He hsould be able to recomend you to others. One thing I have learned is that there is no better way to learn peoples true charactor than when they are leaving. This goes both ways, bosses and workers.

Cheers, John.

ibewgypsie
10-13-2004, 07:15 PM
The world is full of "petes".. Some work as union electricians. WHen they blow up expensive transformers they get promoted to supervisor.

Most times there is a older guy with a corn cob pipe that keeps everything working in a company. He is underpaid and overworked and usually has a bad attitude. The rest are window dressing cousins of people and brother in laws.

I'd put all the gcode on a Necklace like I have been wearing. Especially the stuff you are writing. It is a good refrence in addition to making you "extremly valuable" If the OS on the cnc is Xp or linux you are a shoe in.. Just plug it in and it sees it as a removeable hard drive. I got mine here next to me.

If you key in gcode and are getting paid less than $10 a hour someone is making a serious mistake. Companies purchase people by the hour for "as little as the market will bear". Just like buying commodities like apples and oranges. Remember you are bought by the hour.


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David Cofer, Of:
Tunnel Hill, North Georgia

zl1byz
10-13-2004, 07:31 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Tuckerfan:
[B when it took him that, a jig, and about twenty toe-clamps (he seems to have a fetish for those, for some reason)?[/B]</font>

I can understand him having a fetish about those. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

PSD KEN
10-13-2004, 09:15 PM
You find them in every field. As IBEW said, most are promoted.
Years ago (before my time) a mech. was bringing a DC-3 up to the ramp, to impress waiting passengers, he spun it around, hit the brakes, stood it on its nose, whacked both props, ENGINE CHANGE TIME!
Prompted to supervisor later.

SJorgensen
10-13-2004, 09:44 PM
I'd have to see the code before and after before I decided who the idiot is.

Flying blind and changing someone elses code can cause problems.

If you write your own code from top to bottom then you might be knowledgable enough to make changes.

As a writer of code I'm not sure which side to take. It is extremely risky if someone would change even one character in any of the thousands of lines of code that I write. All the functional sections of code are EXTREMELY sensitive to ANY single character being changed.

I'd be pissed if someone edited code that I wrote without discussing it with me. The problem might not be the code, but in the machine set up which must be done first.

You'd be looking for new job.

Tuckerfan
10-13-2004, 10:25 PM
SJorgensen, I don't have a copy of the program or I'd show you. All the program needed to do was counterbore 3 holes .750" deep. The way the program was originally written, there was no way to tell what your Z 0 setting should be as far as the distance for the cutter from the part when the cutter was at Z0. The value he'd keyed in for Z was some oddball number like 936. I changed the program so that the stop point for Z was .750, added a line so that the cutter would retract above the part before it shifted to the next the next hole.

After I explained everything to him about the changes I made, he always said that what he did was chuck the part in the vise, run the quill down until the cutter touched the part, set his Z0 at that point, then ran the quill up about .200", reset Z to 0, then run a part, pull the part out, check the depth of the hole, make whatever adjustments to his Z0 he felt he needed, chuck the part back up, rerun it, unchuck it, check the depth, adjust, and repeat until he got the depth right or the part was scrap.

With the way I rewrote the program, all you have to do is chuck the part in the machine, indicate in your X and Y, then set your Z0 by touching the cutter to the top of the part. You can then fire the machine up, let it run, and it cuts the hole to the correct depth the first time.

If he'd have written the program like that the first time, I wouldn't have had to make any adjustments to it.

wierdscience
10-13-2004, 11:08 PM
Tuckerfan,I have had similar experience with the above mentioned a--holes.They do exist in every company.The guy I work for now and everyone else I have ever worked for save one company has whole heartedly encouraged empolyees to make improvements when and where they can be made.Its just smart business sense.The one company that didn't no longer exists.

You mentioned that the company you work for is near bankruptcy.I'm sure there are many reasons for this,but one might be the wrong use of cnc equipment.Don't get me wrong,they do have a place,but the part you mention sounds too simple to need a cnc.Using manual when needed keeps a company afloat,using cnc when is not needed sinks it,I see it all the time.

I would not be too quick to move,if you play your cards right you could be running that shop in a short time,if they ditch Pete,that alone will save them money http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//wink.gif

[This message has been edited by wierdscience (edited 10-13-2004).]

SJorgensen
10-13-2004, 11:27 PM
Dup post

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SJorgensen
10-13-2004, 11:28 PM
Dup Post. Sorry the system seems to have a glitch. Delete post doesn't work.

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SJorgensen
10-13-2004, 11:28 PM
Well Tucker,
You do seem to have a good handle on what you want the code to do, and if the original process was as nonsensical as you said then your method would be preferable and more accurate and repeatable. However I have found it better to set the Z-zero point above the stock like the original story is. The difference is that I manually raise the table until I pinch a piece of paper between the stock and the Z-zero point. This lets me raise each new piece of stock to the Z-zero point instead of trying to drive the qwill down to set the Z-zero point on the stock.

I had just chucked up my brand new $40.00 four flute milling bit and was carefully lowering the quill to the surface of my stock to set the Z-zero position. Just when it contacted the stock I heard a little crick noise. Sure enough my bit was ruined before I had even cut a single chip.

thistle
10-14-2004, 08:21 AM
you sound like you had my old boss-i just never realised that all the time he was "in the field" he was moonlighting as a machinist.

some one famous said "you rise to the level
of your incompetance"

[This message has been edited by thistle (edited 10-14-2004).]

ibewgypsie
10-14-2004, 08:33 AM
YEP...

Fixturing offset (G91 or G92?) is one offset you can do to run parts from a know "XYZ" location. I remember G90 as being the return of normal location dimension.

With a cnc machine, you must set the mill up exact each time you load a collet. Bridgeport has a spindle-test fixture in thier book. I have not ever saw one in person.. I have thought of powering the knee on my machine and letting it "touch find" the switch I'd mount on the table.. Each job is different thou.

Yep, you can make lots of junk, break lots of tooling with cnc. It is not a automatic machine by any means. It must be monitored.
I seriously, hooked up the home switch on my machine Z axis yesterday. I have been running it for a couple of years now I think without one. Hitting the home button, then typing in the height I set it at.. whoo hoo.. I am going to add them on the other two axis.. I normally reset machine zero to match vise corner or a point on part.

A tabletop machine can teach you the gcode basics.. a simple stepper drive can just cost as little as $40 each.. 250 oz motors are as little as $10 a piece on ebay.. A XY cross slide will work for a table feed and a xl pulley on a drill press downfeed works as well.. My machine I built like this was only good for plastic and drilling pcbs thou.. It'd run a program through supper and sometimes till bedtime.. run maybe 10ipm max... My bridgeport can run 120ipm in a G00 move... The welding robots I worked on could hit four or five times that.. It was strange thinking while running the pendant that you could stick the tig torch clean through you by a slip of the speed control while on manual. Something else to think about.

Spence: DId you ever get the bridgeport operation manual scanned into pdf? that would help lots of people wanting to learn coding.

My machine is making parts... but I am still learning too.. If you stop learning you are dying while still breathing.

I have thought of building a lathe type cnc with stepper chuck.. just for sharpening tooling.. Imagine that? You'd need a adequate scanner too thou.. (working on that too)

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David Cofer, Of:
Tunnel Hill, North Georgia

Dave Opincarne
10-14-2004, 12:54 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by thistle:
you sound like you had my old boss-i just never realised that all the time he was "in the field" he was moonlighting as a machinist.

some one famous said "you rise to the level
of your incomptetance"</font>

It's called the Peter Principle http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/PETERPR.html

spope14
10-14-2004, 04:22 PM
I thought long and hard before posting this, but have to. Th story was good, and I understand the situation, but there are habits that you can get into.......I say all of this in a spirit of kindness, of constructive suggestion, and as one who has been in the "Programmers seat", and the teachers seat.

I worked for people like that before, had to replace one for six weeks as a summer job, programming and doing manu. engineering for a local shop (75 people), and trained the replacement in the process. best thing I taught the guy, who is still there five years later (brag) is this, go out and talk to the people who will run the parts, get to know their work habits,"quirks", and expectations /limitations and tell them your habits and standards in programming and design, and your expectations. Also, get to know each machine and its "quirks" / limitations - you find these out from the people who run them. By doing this, you can get some standards worked out in programming and operations worked up in a very short time. keep on this "two way conversation mode" as much as you can, especially with the new jobs, or "like type" jobs that only have different dimensions.

Although you seem to have a grasp on the programming, it is very important, as noted above, to be careful in changing programs. Anyone who changed my programs was expected immediately to tell me firat when possible, writ notes about the changes, do a save under a name or number different than the original "back through the wire", put their name and change date / time in a note in the program header, do a print out for the machine, the shift operators, the process sheet set, and for me - all with the edits marked. I would also be on hand for the run of the changes so I would know what was up. If the machine crashed of something was radically changed, I could read it ahead. Besides, if something changed and was not tracked, the idea from above would be it was my problem to deal with. This is the standard there. They have some real fine people at that shop (and few "Pete's").

This reduced problems, lead to people who were smarter, and gained accountability. It also lead to people not afraid to edit in he pinch, and people who were standardized in things like the "Z0", and approach vectors to the part, and safety lines, and even coolant turn on and off points. I made safety lines match those from the department heads (mills, lathes), and through cooperation, we - (mostly they) got some standards worked up for each machines "new" posts. In the end, they all did the bulk of the work, an my job was surely easier because of th communication. I had to remember, they had been there before me, and would be there after me, I just had to get things back to par, and get some standards set back up for the new guy.

Sounds tight, but it is not. I give this example. One guy, my third day as a programmer for the company, changed a tool change on the program to a "timed change" after the last tool (Mattsuura Mill, the big red ones with the HS spindle). last tool finished, rapided up, stopped, and the idea was that the tool would stop on "dwell" for 10 to fifteen seconds for a part change in the vise, then the tool would index tool one back to the spindle for the next program run. Good idea in theory, for you hit the green button after a part is loaded, saves the initial tool change time, and even the man time stop for inspection and away we go (UNDERSTAND HE HAD A "REPEAT" TYPE OF PARAMETER CODE TO PREVENT HAVING TO HIT BIG GREEN TO START PROGRAM, BUT TOOK IT OUT AT THE END OF THE SHIFT). Bad thing, I did not know about this tool change, and after the part had stopped running, I did a quick inspect IN THE VISE. Suddenly, the tool indexes, LONG DRILL, and damned near rips my arm right off in the process, took 15 stitches on that one.

A little communication would have saved me some personal harm.

Pete may be a total jerk, but you may want to avoid the habit of editing without at least telling your future employers first, and leave a trail of your edits in the process for safety sake.

BTW, I laughed like crazy at your story, an i can see Pete Puma being like the Looney Tunes Puma.

[This message has been edited by spope14 (edited 10-14-2004).]

Tuckerfan
10-14-2004, 05:09 PM
SJorgensen, you're absolutely right, I should have touched off that way. I tell you, though, I've never had a job with any company where I didn't have to spend 99% of my time doing things in some half-assed manner because I couldn't get management to spend the fifty cents necessary to do the job right. I'm so used to doing things the wrong way, that I really have to stop and think on how to do them the right way. So far, I haven't destroyed anything expensive, but no doubt I will sooner or later.

wierdscience, you may be right about the cnc, I don't know, this is the only machine shop I've ever worked in. I do know that this is a job we run about every month with an order of 60 or so parts. The biggest waste, I think, is that there's three seperate programs for the part, when all that's being done to it is drilling three through holes, and then counterboring them halfway. And I have a feeling that Pete will be the last to go if the company really starts foundering, since he's a shirt-tale cousin of the owner.

spope14, you sound like my kind of programmer. I didn't mention this before, but when I finished the job, I did notate in the program how you were supposed to set the machine up to run the parts. I did that because the program was such a radical departure from how he normally sets jobs up, that I figured if I didn't, he'd turn the next batch of parts into scrap before he realized what he was doing wrong.

MikeG
10-14-2004, 05:28 PM
Main thing is don't moove on because of Pete, because as surea as eggs there will be another Pete waiting at the next job.

Agreed! After spending 22 years in th USAF - I have worked with and for "Pete". The good thing about the military is that either you or "Pete" will be transferred sooner or later. Hang in there, it all works out in the end.

MikeG

wierdscience
10-15-2004, 07:48 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tuckerfan:

[b]And I have a feeling that Pete will be the last to go if the company really starts foundering, since he's a shirt-tale cousin of the owner.


Oh crap,I hate realitives,they almost never know what they are doing,except when pi--ing people off.
Best thing to in that case is put the gun down and remain calm http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

sandman2234
10-15-2004, 12:56 PM
Just thank goodness it is a small company, or they would have hired Pete's brother....
Repete.
Just thank goodness it is a small company, or they would have hired Pete's brother....Repete
Just thank goodness it is a small company, or they would have hired Pete's brother....
Repete.
Just thank goodness it is a small company, or they would have hired Pete's brother....
Repete.
Need I go on?
David from jax


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Have gun, will travel.

zl1byz
10-15-2004, 04:17 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dave Opincarne:
It's called the Peter Principle </font>

Wow! What a co-incidence the guy has the right name. I had heard this before, but didn't know it was called the Peter Principle.

There has been some good input to this thread.

Tuckerfan, don't be to hard on Pete. Just remember he is fulfilling the "Peter Primciple". Heven forebid someday you will too, but perhaps at a higher level.

Cheers, John.

Tuckerfan
10-15-2004, 05:36 PM
sandman2234, actually, I've met Pete's brother and it's pretty obvious he got all the brains in the family. (He likes Pete about as much as I do.)

Tuckerfan
10-30-2004, 12:35 AM
They sent me home early from work today (I've been having trouble making it in on time, so I've got no beef with them on that), and that left just the die maker and Pete in the shop. Now, the die maker, of course, had to spend a lot of time alone with Pete, since I was out of town for most of last week, and apparently, it's made him a bit "touchy." So, in watching Pete race back and forth between the office and his machine (you know, owner comes in, Pete races out of the office, fires up his machine so that he looks busy, owner leaves, Pete zips back to the office so he can surf the net), he gets an idea. So when Pete's at his machine, the die maker slides out a cabinet drawer. The next time Pete races into his office, *BAM*! He slams his groin right into the corner of the drawer. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif The die maker told me that on Monday he's going to super glue the CTL ALT DEL keys down on the computer. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//eek.gif

speedy
10-30-2004, 01:08 AM
Tuckerfan, while reading I could 'see' that happening, Malice can be humerous when you have the correct participants http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif.
Any improvement that you can implement is your intellectual property and is cause for negotiation of your wage/salary.
You are at work to use your skills and earn a crust not give your labour and ability for nix.
If I was in your situation I wouldn`t volunteer any more unless I was remunerated accordingly.
cheers, Ken

pete913
10-30-2004, 01:56 AM
Tuckerfan, you just keep right on doing what you're doing and don't worry about Pete. Guys like that eliminate themselves eventually, one way or the other. some people have an interest in being a machinist, and some people have an interest in being paid to know just what they knew yesterday, and nothing more. " I ain't learnin to run that dang CNC #$*$# until I get paid to learn it" is the usual refrain of these losers. I learned it just about the way you did, although I didn't have to deal with any Petes, ( except me that is lol). I learned a lot of it on my own time and at home reading books when no one else would. Trust me, it'll be noticed, and even if it isn't, it'll be noticed, and rewarded somewhere else.

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Bob-O
10-30-2004, 09:29 AM
Spope14, your advise is true in all aspects of engineering. I make it a habit to get to know each machinist in any place I'm working, and learn their limitations and their machine's limitations. My co-worker just details the way he wants giving no thought to how the guy in the trenches is going to inspect the piece. Maybe this is because I started out making chips before drawings. Most of the guys who make my parts comment that they don't need a calculator to setup or inspect my parts. When I run across something new or special, I spend a few minutes with the shop manager discussing how he wants to make it, and on which machine. You have to remember, we're all in this together, and just trying to do our best.
Bob

ibewgypsie
10-30-2004, 10:17 AM
Problems while you are learning..

break one tool.. and ... OUT THE DOOR w a bad reference. Jealous people act like that every day.



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David Cofer, Of:
Tunnel Hill, North Georgia

Bob-O
10-30-2004, 11:22 AM
Make a mistake or break a tool, own up to it at once. I learned this day one. Right from the start, you need to set a tone of honesty. On the last job, I snapped a little jacobs chuck clean off the arbor. The boss was away on a trip at the time. I bought replacements on my dime, but I told him the minute he walked in the door. I was working alone in the shop at the time of the "accident". You need to take the high road always.
Bob

Tuckerfan
11-23-2004, 12:49 AM
The Saga Continues

On Friday, I dropped by work at about 9 PM so I that I could work on part of my school project, since there's no school on Friday's and we don't have a second shift in the machine shop. While I was there, I went into Pete's office and changed the screen saver on his PC to the marquee and had it say, "Pete, get back to work--[The Owner]"

So, this morning when I got to work, the third shift supervisor (who's first name is Marvin) came up to me and asked if I put anything on Pete's computer. Naturally, I used the Bill Clinton defense, "I didn't put anything on his computer." (Technically correct, but. . . .) The third shift supervisor explains that Pete found it and went nuts over the thing, started accusing everyone he could think of.

Some time later, the owner spots me as I'm coming out of the bathroom and says, "Did you change the marquee on Pete's computer?" I hated to do it, but I denied everything, since the owner had this, "I really don't need this ****." look on his face and I figured that it'd be better for everyone if I played innocent.

When I get in the shop, Pete lays into me about being there off the clock (Ya think that if the owner was upset by it, he'd have said something.), about someone tampering with his computer, and just all kinds of outlandish stuff, in general. I get a bit short with him, and he storms off in a snit, because he knows I'm not going to listen to him. (He swears up and down that he's a btter machinist than I am, but whenever they've got a delicate job that needs to be done, and the mold maker's tied up, they ask me to do it, not him.)

After work, the mold maker pulls me aside, and we have a good laugh about it, then he tells me what the welder told him. The welder said that Pete came up to him and asked him about the screensaver, and the welder replied, "Well, the owner probably did it. You know how he likes to play mind games."

Needless to say, I'm going to keep a low profile at work for a while, and not pull any more pranks for a bit. Of course, that doesn't mean the mold maker won't do something.

wierdscience
11-23-2004, 01:19 AM
Hehehehe...I love it,screw with his head,uhhh one question,he doesn't own an assualt rifle does he? http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//rolleyes.gif

speedy
11-23-2004, 01:32 AM
Tuckerfan that was quality; don`t keep the profile too low, it will look a bit sus. Maybe the next message could read " Pete, it is time for you to take a well deserved rest " See how he interprets that.
Ken

Evan
11-23-2004, 11:02 AM
Go into control panel and switch the mouse from right handed to left handed. It'll drive him nuts.

Joel
11-23-2004, 03:00 PM
Bump up the mouse gearing, that seems to bother people quite a bit. You could also have someone who sounds like the owner record "get back to work" and set it as the default sound for opening or closing a program (pick up the file through web mail maybe). Or change the IE homepage to peteisapain.com or drunkensluts.com. Or...

Evan
11-23-2004, 03:52 PM
Every few days reduce the height of his chair a turn or two.

Dave Opincarne
11-27-2004, 05:06 PM
When he steps out take a screen shot, save what he was working on and set the new screen shot as wallpaper, will look the same but he won't be able to get anything to "function". Used to be you could get the old macs to go "Bleagh!" when ejecting the disk.

Dave

GM69camaro
11-27-2004, 07:06 PM
Put a small amount of Never-Seize on the ear piece of his phone. The longer he talks on the phone the better, messy stuff. Dont get caught. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//wink.gif

spope14
11-28-2004, 03:22 PM
On the line of never seize on the phone, we once had a true "jack###" as a night foreman, and his little buddy who thought he was the "real foreman". They both ran rampant about the department telling us what to do (13 of us on the night shift in that department). They also usually contradicted each other, and never took responsibility for doing so.

we endured....but alas, the whole heard of "jack###'s" grew to9 include other department foreman, and their little buddies. Four departments in the end (lathes, mills, drills, and grinders) had their little foremans and assistants meetings in a room, they would drink coffee and have donuts and BS for about 1 1/2 hours with a little hotel "Do not disturb" sign on the door - like we could not see what was going on, the walls were glass????? In the end, they loved to contradict and fire at will, and lorded it all over us. I just kept my head down and worked pretty much alone for about one year, for nobody knew my job at that time, not even the supers.

Morale was at severe lows. Several people started taking notes, as i did, but there was one thing to be done to get the head boiled over....I did not take part in this one, but it was a piece of "art"...

During the supervisors and assistant brownies meetings, several on the shift went to all the department phones (they wre black phones), and put PRUSSIAN BLUE on the receivers and mouth pieces. Mixed a little dykem in with it for good measure. The meeting ended, and what should happen, about four of the "line" people were nowhere to be found, and alas, the phones started ringing off the hook. Two phones in each department. Seems they were in other "closed" departments making the calls asking for people pretending to be wives, brothers, and such......We were not allowed personal calls, so the phone calls would not be forwarded......

Line people knew by then to stay away from the phones, and the foremen and assistants commenced to answering phones. Blue ears and mouths, nobody said a word, this lasted for about 45 minutes, and then one saw the other......All the "line" people were fired that night.....

Well, you do not fire about 60 to 80 people on the spot without the day shift mgmt noticing a bit of a slowdown, thus we "line people' were all called into a private meeting with the company President two days later - he flew in from the midwest. On night of the best tool and die makers and machine runners in the company, and the crop of new trainees being gone caused quite a dent in just 20 hours of missed shifts (you had to be good to get nights in our place, for nights meant you could work alone without supervision, and the people with time like me were used to train the newbies without th stress of production)

Bottom line, mamagement was shaken up quite severely on nights, a new structure was in place, and we basically ran ourselves but for a main overseerer and some 'leadmen" in the departments. We got "fined" that two nights and 3/4 of missed work, but this was not a big loss all said and done......

As for the "Blue ears" we commenced to calling them, they were moved to the "inspection department".