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WJHartson
01-02-2005, 06:07 PM
Harbor Freight has their tool grinder,46727, on sale for $119.99. It has been $159.99. I bought one on Friday and I think it is a very well piece of equipment for the price. Mounted it on a Baldor base that I had. Reground some of the carbide inserts that had worn some and they cut like new. It will pay for itself very quickly.

Joe

3 Phase Lightbulb
01-02-2005, 06:10 PM
Damn, do you have a link? I just check HF and it's currently $129.99

-3Ph

lynnl
01-02-2005, 06:16 PM
Is this the real heavy one with tiltable, cast iron tables and the steel-backed green wheels? The wheels on the one on display here at the local store look almost like they've been painted green.
...Can regular wheels be mounted on that? (by regular, I mean without the steel backing)

WJHartson
01-02-2005, 06:16 PM
I bought mine at the Mobile,Al store. They had 9 more. Told a friend of mine in Austin, TX and they are out of them until later in the week. The sale is good until the 17th.

Joe

3 Phase Lightbulb
01-02-2005, 06:19 PM
It's currently $129 online:

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=46727

Is that the same one? I think I'll get it myself if it is.. Let me know if this is the same unit you got.

-3Ph

BillH
01-02-2005, 06:20 PM
Thats In store special price, I bought mine couple of months ago in Syracuse store. so far I only use HSS, so it was difficult finding A/O wheels for it. J&L had em.
In retrospect, I suppose I should of just gotten a regular 6" bench grinder with decent tables. Wheels are much more plentiful and cheaper.

3 Phase Lightbulb
01-02-2005, 06:28 PM
Why did you need to get different grinding wheel(s)? I've never owned a carbide grinder so I'm wondering if it will also sharpen HSS. According to the specs on HF it does both HSS and Carbide:

1/2 HP, 6'' TOOL AND CARBIDE GRINDER

INCLUDES TWO GRINDING WHEELS

Sharpen high speed steel or carbide tipped tools to precise tolerances. Includes water cup, light, two silicon carbide wheels.

-Cast iron base for reduced vibration
-Reversing switch
-Built in mitre gauge
-Horsepower: 1/2; RPM: 3400; Wheel diameter: 6''; Max run out: 0.002''; Arbor: 1.25''; Volts 115; Amps: 6.3; Table: 6-3/4'' x 12''L; Dimensions: 15''W x 25''L; Base dimensions: 8'' x 8.5''; Weight: 110 lbs.


-3Ph

BillH
01-02-2005, 06:32 PM
Green wheels arent the best for carbine either.
I tried grinding HSS with the green wheel, takes forever. Just listening to the advice on this board, Silicone Carbide not good for HS.
I would like to say why, but I have forgotten the reasons.

[This message has been edited by BillH (edited 01-02-2005).]

WJHartson
01-02-2005, 06:35 PM
That is the one that I bought. It only has one of the water cups now. Guess they cut one out to hold the cost down. Instructions still say it has two. I don't think that regular wheels will fit this grinder. Other than having to debur everything and true the wheels it seem like a good grinder. In the latest small catalog from J&L they have diamond and aluminum oxide wheels that I think will fit the grinder. The diamond wheel is $110 and the AL2O3 is about $25. I have to check the center hole diameter and bolt pattern to make sure.

Joe

3 Phase Lightbulb
01-02-2005, 06:44 PM
Thanks, I just bought that unit. I was looking for something with more precision than a standard bench grinder. I plan to mostly grind HSS and a little carbide so we'll see how well it works.

-3Ph

billr
01-02-2005, 06:49 PM
good evening.

KBC has a/o wheels for $18.00 [i think]. that is close anyway.

they also had a diamond wheel [resin bonded] for about $85.00 a month or so ago.

you need to be aware that an american made triumph 6" wheel is a little larger than the chinese 6" wheels that come on it. the solution is to bore out the wheel housings to fit.

like WJ said, once you get past the deburring and cleaning up, it is a pretty good grinder. i can do a little deburring for the difference between this one and a baldor at $850.00 or so plus whatever the wheels cost.

peace.
bill

BillH
01-02-2005, 07:27 PM
AS for the wheel housings, My J&L wheel rubbed along the bottom edge of the housing. I just took my Dremel and a grinding wheel and grinded down where it was rubbing.

Your Old Dog
01-08-2005, 07:00 PM
Harbor Freight in Amherst New York has it for $119.99 this week. I paid $159.99 for mine two weeks ago. It's beyond New Yorks 10 day rule so I simply paid $40.00 too much!

Ray

3 Phase Lightbulb
01-08-2005, 07:35 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Your Old Dog:
Harbor Freight in Amherst New York has it for $119.99 this week. I paid $159.99 for mine two weeks ago. It's beyond New Yorks 10 day rule so I simply paid $40.00 too much!

Ray</font>

I paid $129 online, but I have to wait 2 weeks for it to arrive...

-3Ph

billyboy
01-08-2005, 11:02 PM
hi to you lucky people in the usa, i was interested in the tool grinder and thought to have a look at the harbour freight website, im in the uk and im amazed at the prices, is $129.00 the final price for the tool grinder or is there further taxes on top you have to pay, like our v.a.t..... thanks bill

BillH
01-08-2005, 11:05 PM
Nope, no socialist world government VAT here.
We dont even have to pay sales tax if we mail order it usually.

billyboy
01-08-2005, 11:10 PM
we in blighty (england)use a domestic electric supply of 240v 50htz which is single phase, if your domestic supply is 110v does this make uk domestic supply usa 3 phase? or dunnit work like that?


bill

BillH
01-08-2005, 11:14 PM
our stuff is 120v or 220v 60hz single phase. Some lucky people are able to get 220v or 440v 3 phase. But all our household stuff is 120v 60hz single phase with a few 220v stuff thrown in,

billyboy
01-08-2005, 11:32 PM
thanks bill, its 04:45 am here so im off to bed, take care


bill

Smokedaddy
01-11-2005, 10:41 PM
To those of you who actually have this grinder, "exactly" what wheels do you suggest for HSS, M2(?) etc. and where did you purchase them? I purchased mine today at the HF store local to me for $119.00. The wheels on mine measure exactly 6" in diameter. Any special ordering bolt pattern or "something else" I should be aware of?

Cheers,
-SD:

[This message has been edited by Smokedaddy (edited 01-11-2005).]

Joel
01-11-2005, 10:49 PM
Hertel CPW-14210H. This is a White A/O 46K wheel, it goes on sale for $24.95 at J&L Industrial Supply.

BillH
01-11-2005, 11:50 PM
Further more, the type of wheel is called, "Type 2"

Smokedaddy
01-12-2005, 01:01 AM
Joel,

Appreciate the help.

-SD:

Stanko
01-12-2005, 04:10 AM
Seeing as we are talking grinders, I bought this today
http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/auction_detail.asp?id=21010261
Works out to US$175 I hope it is as good as I hope it is !!

I havnt seen many around, even those poxy drill sharpening brackets go for somewhat sillier money than they should. Ill see when it arrives whether or not this "flutter" is worth it

metal mite
01-12-2005, 07:54 AM
Sounds like my inlaws around here.

"George got a new ice box for the porch, so I gotta get one too."

Need a trailer, one of those dumpers, for the back yard like Hubert has over there in Hannan.

House's full, so rent you a pod to go with the trailer. Just put the pod right by the back door. Have to move those antique mowers, and lawn chair frames to get it in.

We need a riding mower without wheels like Papa Bert has in the side yard for the grand kids to play on in Pimlico.

That goes with the two vintage trailers, and four boats already there.

Also need an old dog with a missing foot to chain up in the yard.

Do you remember when Papa Bert forgot Max was chained to the trailer and pulled him under the wheels for a spell.

They (inlaws) got that John Candy movie and looked at the drag scene stone faced, like it never happoned. Three legged Max sat there quiet too (scared he was).

Watch those gators Max!
They'll get that other leg one day.

Oh to have a house on the water. You could float your boat in that ditch, high tide in a hurricane.

Oh to be married to a South Carolina Hillbilly. Gimme another beer! What a life.

mite

mayfieldtm
01-12-2005, 11:12 AM
I have a dilemma...
I have one of these grinders and would like to purchase a diamond wheel.
These are usually referred to as 6A2C wheels.

MSC on page 807 lists two 6A2C wheels...
1" Thick x 3/4" Face for $178 and a
3/4" Thick x 1" Face for $134

Which side is the Face???

On a normal wheel, I would think that the curved part of the wheel is the "Face" or working surface.
On the 6A2C Cup Wheels I would think that the working surface is the flat part of the wheel and that would be called the "Face".

Yet... The MSC pricing for the 3/4" Face wheel is 33% higher than the 1" Face wheel?

Also... I've been told that one of the types of Diamond Wheels (resin bond or Electroplated) are ok for HSS grinding, and the other is not.
Which is which??

Tom M.

Smokedaddy
01-16-2005, 09:48 PM
Joel,

Is the hole 3/4" in the 6 X 1 X 4 46K A/O HERTEL grinding wheel or do I have to make some sort of spacer?

BTW, has anyone bought a diamond wheel for this particular grinder? If so, where?

Thanks,
-SD:

3 Phase Lightbulb
01-16-2005, 10:02 PM
My HF 46727 Tool Grinder arrived the other day...

I haven't had time to try it out yet.

Did anyone have to dress the new wheels? Do you use both the side and the face of the wheels?

-3Ph

Joel
01-16-2005, 10:54 PM
Smoke, yes it has the hole. I did not have to make any spacer. Enco has the best price I have seen on the diamond wheels.

3 phase, yes you are going to have to dress the wheel. You are generally only going to using the flat face (side) of the wheel. Not going to share your program, huh? http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif

Smokedaddy
01-16-2005, 11:01 PM
Did you buy one, a diamond wheel that is? If so, which one?

-SD:

3 Phase Lightbulb
01-16-2005, 11:22 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Joel:
Smoke, yes it has the hole. I did not have to make any spacer. Enco has the best price I have seen on the diamond wheels.

3 phase, yes you are going to have to dress the wheel. You are generally only going to using the flat face (side) of the wheel. Not going to share your program, huh? http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif</font>

Thanks. The Manual shows only the edge of the wheel being used and that didn't see right.

Are you refering to my keyboard prank program? It fails to install on Windows XP right now. I wrote it back when I was using Windows NT 3.51 so I'll need to port it to XP.

-3Ph

WJHartson
01-17-2005, 02:13 AM
I dressed both the OD and the flat face to get the wheels balanced to reduce the vibration. Do a little at a time and see how it reacts. Mine has almost no vibration now.

Joe

jerhalco
01-17-2005, 09:17 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by WJHartson:
I dressed both the OD and the flat face
Joe</font>

Could you tell us which dresser you bought and if it is used on all wheel types. Also catalog numbers etc.
Jerry

Orrin
01-17-2005, 09:30 AM
"BTW, has anyone bought a diamond wheel for this particular grinder? If so, where?"

I mounted a diamond wheel on mine. I can't remember where I got it, but it probably came from Enco or MSC. I do most of my buying from those two sources.

Orrin

WJHartson
01-17-2005, 10:45 AM
When I dressed the silicon carbide wheels I used one of the star wheel dresser that I had in the shop. I have to make a fixture to mount on the grinder to use one on the diamond dressers that I have. Sorry I don't have a number on the dressers. The diamond dresser came on my Darex end mill sharpener.

Joe

3 Phase Lightbulb
01-17-2005, 05:03 PM
Did you dress the face using a single point diamond and slide across it using the mitre gauge?

The Mitre gauge is junk of course so that's the first thing I'm going to replace.

-3Ph

dkinzer
01-17-2005, 05:51 PM
Just picked up mine at HF today in Portland. The $119 in store special is effective through today (17 Jan). They had "lots" in stock.

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Don Kinzer
Portland, OR

Joel
01-17-2005, 07:42 PM
SD, no I haven’t gotten around to getting one yet.

3 Phase, yep, that is how you dress them. My miter gauge works great, but if yours is sloppy you can just cock it in the slot to eliminate play as you dress the wheel. I usually use a single point diamond. You definitely want to dress the front and the face. I do occasionally grind on the front of the wheel, but the object will be quite hollow ground of course. For truing the front, you can put a clamp on the shaft of the dressing tool for a stop and let the table edge be the guide.

3 Phase Lightbulb
01-17-2005, 07:50 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Joel:
SD, no I haven’t gotten around to getting one yet.

3 Phase, yep, that is how you dress them. My miter gauge works great, but if yours is sloppy you can just cock it in the slot to eliminate play as you dress the wheel. I usually use a single point diamond. You definitely want to dress the front and the face. I do occasionally grind on the front of the wheel, but the object will be quite hollow ground of course. For truing the front, you can put a clamp on the shaft of the dressing tool for a stop and let the table edge be the guide.</font>

Does your miter guage have a pivot pin that is press fit and expanded? Just looking at it looks like it will not last more than a few minutes.

-3Ph