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aboard_epsilon
01-29-2005, 02:35 PM
Picked up this valve grinder from the local scrap yard today.
yes I know it looks awfull....I paid £8 for it ...thats the scrap weight
but I see potential in it .
notice it has both x and y travel
all I need is a swiveling indexing head and a cone wheel and i have a basic cutter grinder.
what do you think guys ?
btw anyone know what make it is


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/aboard_epsilon/grindside.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/aboard_epsilon/grindfront.jpg

all the best...mark

cliff69
01-29-2005, 02:48 PM
Looks like it might work for that just fine.

rotate
01-29-2005, 03:11 PM
There should be a law against neglecting machines like that. They have feeling too you know. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//wink.gif

With a little work, I think you can bring back to life as a good tool grinder.

Norman Atkinson
01-29-2005, 03:24 PM
On a separate issue, I wrote to one of the Forum about using a cheap DE grinder with a better wheeland an equally cheap two way vice as the basis of a T&C grinder.

The cost was perhaps £40 sterling.

There is one caveat! You can pick up a poor Clarkson for £150- or 225 US Dollars or Euros. in the UK. In days gone by, my T&C grinder was a modified key cutting machine.

Having written all this, adding paint stripper, abrasives and paints, you might not have quite the bargain that you suppose.

Returning to the question of tool holders,
I made a lathe tool holder out of "wood".

However, the Quorn book by Dennis Chaddock has details of a spendid fancy tool holder which can be modified to suit a flat bed grinder.

Drop me an E-Mail if I can help.

Norman

aboard_epsilon
01-29-2005, 03:36 PM
well im only compairing them to these items that sold on ebay (below) in the last few days.....
I've wanted a cutter grinder for ages and I will not pay these prices .....they are mental!!! .....this sort of price mentality happens for every cutter grinder (engraving) on ebay.
There are the bigger machines like j&s cincinati, clarkeson.makino....a cincinati sold on ebay uk today for £250......but I'm running out of room and dont want the bulk of these machines.especially since they wont be used that much ...I could put the valve grinder on a table top ... you-see.


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3868053703&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3868080197&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

all the best..mark

Alistair Hosie
01-29-2005, 04:56 PM
Mark
Itlooks like it needs a bit of love and care your just the guy to get it looking like new.I would love to see it when your done with it as these things are often overpriced on ebay etc.Alistair

Allan Waterfall
01-29-2005, 05:04 PM
Mark,

I'm running out of room also,that's why I decided to build a "Stent" It'll sit on a bench after I've moved something else.

Our Gert doesn't know about some of the things going in the spare bedroom yet. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

Allan

Stanko
01-29-2005, 05:46 PM
Underneath that protective coating of rust is a beautifull machine. Cant be worse than buying castings for hunderds of pounds then having to machine them.

One of the grinders in your second post the Alexander is similar to the one I got from an auction mine is branded with "Kopenhaven"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/cowboy/Dsc01551.jpg

its almost identical except singlr phase.
It came with only one collet and was pretty neglected, spent a couple of hours tidying it up. I was a bit concerned about paying too much but NZ$250 thats only about 100 pounds so I feel a bit reassured.

Does anone have a manual to sell ?

Now Ive got one the mystery is figuring haw to use it properly.

aboard_epsilon
01-29-2005, 05:48 PM
looking forward to pics of the stent allan.....especially how you go about building the swivelling indexing head.....I dont know the stent......
is one of these is it:-
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~bsme/Members%20projects/Tool&cutter_frontview.jpg

http://home.vicnet.net.au/~bsme/Members%20projects/Tool&cutter_sideview.jpg

looks like quite a project.....cant wait .how far have you got with it.

My workshop could hold a lot more but I have to have an area clear to work on my car ect.
Alistair "overpriced" is an understatement..
all the best..mark

aboard_epsilon
01-29-2005, 06:00 PM
Stanko the manual for the Alexander /Deckel and now "Kopenhaven"
Is in the files section of my yahoo Taylor hobson engravers group.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/taylor_hobson_engravers/
in a file called "How to sharpen cutters"
its in about 10 pdf parts
you can go there join.....download it
or I could maybe send it to you via email
Let me know
Fine grinder you have there.
all the best..mark

Allan Waterfall
01-29-2005, 06:07 PM
Mark,

Yup that's the one,also has a pair of centres for grinding flutes.

I'll post some pics whan it's done.The tool holder's made and the spindle assembly is finished.I've put an ER25 collet chuck in the toolholder.
Just finished the dovetails on the base.All the drawings and castings are from "Blackgates".

Allan

bikenut
01-29-2005, 08:30 PM
Hey Mark, looks like you've got a great project for the rest of the winter. Looks like a sturdy little machine, I wish it were mine. Besure to show her to us when finished.

aboard_epsilon
01-29-2005, 08:37 PM
Looks a lot bigger in real-life weighs somthing like 300lbs.
got a few more jobs to clear out of the way first.....plonking a br2j head on my bridgy.
it will have to wait a while.
all the best..mark

Stanko
01-29-2005, 11:21 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by aboard_epsilon:
Stanko the manual for the Alexander /Deckel and now "Kopenhaven"
Is in the files section of my yahoo Taylor hobson engravers group.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/taylor_hobson_engravers/
in a file called "How to sharpen cutters"
its in about 10 pdf parts
you can go there join.....download it
or I could maybe send it to you via email
Let me know
Fine grinder you have there.
all the best..mark</font>

Thanks Mark, I got it from the files section. It never fails to amaze me how much stuff is on the net just waiting to be used..
BTW is the manual that you posted the instructions for the taper tunring attachment for the S&B model A on the net ?
Thanks again
Mike

aboard_epsilon
01-30-2005, 08:29 AM
Those instructions where out of the S&B 1024 manual.
all the best..mark

pistonskirt
01-30-2005, 09:26 AM
Mark

That valve refacer looks familiar but my memory fails me, if that is the original paint colour I would suggest Van Norman or Sioux, but then I would have expected one of the American contingent to have recognised it by now. Wolf made a similar styled machine although the later models were blue faint memory suggests early Wolf was red.

I confess to having thrown away 2 Black & Decker valve refacers a few years ago, one I had completely rebuilt & had every accessory, the other was in very good order but as aquired, sadly they have little use with modern hardened valves, they are big & bloody heavy so they went to the scrap man http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//frown.gif

Somewhere amidst the cobwebs I may possibly have some operating manuals, I am sure I had Black & Decker, Wolf & Van Norman manuals as I have owned all 3 machines at various times & there was also a Sioux or Kwikway around at one point.

I will be moving a lot of stuff around next month between my "work" workshop & the new home workshop, during which I may well stumble across the manuals.

regards

Brian




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wierdscience
01-30-2005, 10:08 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by pistonskirt:
Mark

That valve refacer looks familiar but my memory fails me, if that is the original paint colour I would suggest Van Norman or Sioux, but then I would have expected one of the American contingent to have recognised it by now.

[This message has been edited by pistonskirt (edited 01-30-2005).]</font>

We Americans freehand grind our valves on Harbor Frieght bench grinders http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

But seriously,this link has some tech manuals on valve facers,look toward the bottom of the page-

http://www.tpub.com/content/shopequipment/

hoffman
01-30-2005, 10:23 AM
I like it http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//smile.gif Remember Alistairs post on the washing soda/battery charger rust removal? I think that parts of your grinder would be a good candidate for the process.

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Hoffman in Warner Robins Ga

pistonskirt
01-30-2005, 10:35 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by wierdscience:
We Americans freehand grind our valves on Harbor Frieght bench grinders http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif </font>

*LMAO* http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

aboard_epsilon
01-30-2005, 11:11 AM
Thanks for the link Wierdscience.
Brian ...thanks for the info ..yes I would be interested in your manuals .....
not for the above ...as thats destined to be a tool and cutter grinder ......but for my other valve grinder pic below...which I have no intention of modifying.
yes your right about the hardend valves.....all new engines and rebuilt engines these days have to have hardend valves.. because of unleaded fuel........does this mean the these machines are no-good anymore.
by that I mean, no-good for all modern car engines and only fit for vintage 1930's morris eights......even the guys restoring these are putting hardend valves in them by now I will expect.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/aboard_epsilon/grinder1.jpg

ALL THE BEST...MARK

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pistonskirt
01-30-2005, 07:16 PM
Alas you are correct Mark, these things have little use in their intended, & at one time fairly essential role, thats why I threw mine away. The machine in your pic is unfamiliar to me, looks rather Italian perhaps ?

All the valve refacers I have owned were very substantial lumps that would likely have lent themselves to being converted to tool & cutter grinders, some had dovetail slides for both X & Y axis, there were often pivoting attachments with micrometer adjustment for valve stem grinding & sliding fixtures for rocker arm grinding, much of which seem very similar to the movements of a tool & cutter grinder.

Hope to see how you progress with this project, it will be most interesting.

regards

Brian