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japcas
12-15-2004, 11:05 PM
Hey guys, I just bought a mill drill. It is a geared head, dovetail column style. It weighs about 700 pounds. Can any of you give me some suggestions on how to go about rigging and lifting it up on the mill stand. I thought about a cherry picker but I am not sure if it will raise high enough to clear the stand and I am still unsure where to place the lifting straps. Thanks in advance for the info.

torker
12-16-2004, 12:10 AM
That's how I lifted mine...with an engine hoist. Wrapped a 2000# rated nylon sling around it. Had to set the boom fairly low to get it high enough. Was really exciting when something let go in the new hoist and the thing dropped almost to the floor! your should be easy to rig, it doesn't have the big belt/pulley cover that mine has. That was a pain...had to pack blankets, etc. in the gaps so it wouldn't dent the cover. with the exception of the hoist problem it did go well though. Good Luck!
Russ

J Tiers
12-16-2004, 12:18 AM
Lifted the Dad-in-law's old enco of similar weight with a strap around it, using a lever chain hoist. We had a 10" i beam right overhead with a trolley on it, so that was easy.

The motor lift should be fine, if you have the lift height, as the wussiest of them is rated a ton, and that is almost a 3 to 1 de-rating vs 700 lb. You might be able to use the longest lift setting.

Dave Opincarne
12-16-2004, 12:33 AM
Ask weirdscience! http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

I used a prusik around the colum on mine but you need to know how to tie that knot to be safe and have a backup in case it slips. Sorry if this seems vague but if you don't know what I'm describing them find another way. If you do then go ahead but be careful.

YMMV

Dave

matador
12-16-2004, 02:54 AM
hi,japcas.i have a 7045FG model,which i think is the local(nz) equivalent of your mill.i used an engine lift to put it on it's stand.wind the head all the way down to minimize instability.(ask me how i know this http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif).take it slowly,and think safety.it helps if you have 1 or 2 buddies to help.good luck with your new toy,i'm quite happy with mine.

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Hans

lunkenheimer
12-16-2004, 05:00 PM
I took mine apart and hoisted the base, column, table, and head as separate items.

I planned to disassemble it anyway to clean/deburr/lube the moving parts, so it wasn't any extra work in my case.

Elninio
12-16-2004, 07:40 PM
can you post a pick? im looking to buying a mill/dril with dovetail, ive heard of rf-45 but not dm-45, can you please give a pick, or who sells it? Thanks

PHiers
12-16-2004, 07:48 PM
Elnino,

I think they are all a clone of the RF 45. Mine is a ZX7045.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v503/PHiers/Mill5.jpg



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Paul in NE Ohio

danf
12-16-2004, 09:22 PM
I used a cherry picker with a 20k capacity strap around the joint between the head and column. I actually have pics of the move if you want to see them.
Take it slow and think about every move you make.

Dan

danf
12-16-2004, 09:28 PM
milldrilllift.jpg

danf
12-16-2004, 09:29 PM
sorry, I don't have the photo posting thing working....
can anyone give me a hint?

Thanks,
Dan

sch
12-16-2004, 09:46 PM
Engine lift, set up correctly, has enough
lift to handle the height and weight. Useful
accessories are nylon lifting straps/slings
specifically made for this purpose. 3-4
of these, one endless,about 4' circumference
and 2 each 4' long with loops in each end and one 6' long will go a long way toward
handling lift rigging. A few hooks, a length
of 5/16 or 3/8" chain with hooks on each end
some clevis pins or heavy duty lifting carabiners and a quality comealong will solve many problems. About $60 worth of lifting stuff and a comealong. MSC, Travers, Enco, J&L all have these in their
catalogs but local sources in yellow pages under slings and straps or rigging may be available. If the overhead joists are 1x10 or 1x12 you can drill a 1.125 or 1.25 hole in the CENTER of the joist, thread a strap
through the hole and hang a pulley off the
strap and use a come along to lift. Not good to do this in the middle of a 16' span with
a 1x10 but near the wall is fine if supported by block or concrete, but if on a joist hanger, not a good idea.

DanF: look in the forum under NETWORKING
for Evan's post on picture posting.
Steve

[This message has been edited by sch (edited 12-16-2004).]

Forrest Addy
12-17-2004, 09:18 AM
If you have limited lift as from an engine lift, lower the machine's head all the way to the table and turn it sideways if you can. Keep the rigging short. If you have to run out more boom be obsessively careful to keep the engine lift's wheels out ahead of the boom.

When maneuverung the lift becareful not to get the suspended load swinging. Got a fat relative? Stand him on the pump end of the lift and keep hime there until the lift with all maneuvering is complete.

By the way, most engine lift casters are miserable cheap things. Replace them with quality phenolic casters if you use the lift much in your shop.

bjohnson
02-03-2005, 08:15 AM
Hi Dan,

I would like to see the pictures of you moving your mill/drill. I am especially interested in exactly how and where you attached the lifting strap. Thanks


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by danf:
I used a cherry picker with a 20k capacity strap around the joint between the head and column. I actually have pics of the move if you want to see them.
Take it slow and think about every move you make.

Dan</font>

Thrud
02-03-2005, 12:44 PM
Whimps! Just pick the damn thing off the floor and put it on the stand - ain't that heavy... http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

Okay you can be a candy ass and use two or three guys if you want - or use an engine hoist like Russ (a girlie man from way back) http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

Techtchr
02-03-2005, 01:09 PM
Last one was done with a cherry picker as described by others. Mine was done the Thrud method, we picked it up. We put 4 hefty eyebolts in the T slots and ran 1"dia x 6' lengths crs through the eyes. four guys (one on each end of the "handle")picked it up and set it right on the stand. It was pretty easy.
Matt

SGW
02-03-2005, 01:44 PM
Another thought -- get a length of chain about 2' long and bolt it to a couple of adjacent floor joints (in between the joists) with a couple of maybe 1/2" dia. bolts through the joints (near the TOPS of the joists), more or less directly over where you want to put the mill/drill. Then lift it up with a come-along suspended from the chain, slide the stand under, and lower it down on the stand.

All this assumes you have a couple of floor joists in the right place....

madman
02-03-2005, 02:21 PM
I just get Audrey to do all the heavy stuff.

egpace
02-03-2005, 06:50 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Thrud:
Whimps! Just pick the damn thing off the floor and put it on the stand - ain't that heavy... http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

Okay you can be a candy ass and use two or three guys if you want - or use an engine hoist like Russ (a girlie man from way back) http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif</font>


You forgot to mention the catch pan on the floor for your nuggies!

JTrama
02-03-2005, 08:28 PM
Dissassemble.

I just did mine and you will want to paint the rusty parts underneath, clean chips, and re-grease the ways, plus you will find a few suprises, etc. Also found a good link here and wish I would have used some compound on my ways before I put it back together.
Check out this link - great stuff for the 45.
http://www.industrialhobbies.com/

JT

Thrud
02-04-2005, 01:54 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by egpace:

You forgot to mention the catch pan on the floor for your nuggies! </font>

No Sir, don't use 'em anymore anyway - they are just "ornamental" at the moment... http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//eek.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif

egpace
02-04-2005, 02:05 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Thrud:
No Sir, don't use 'em anymore anyway - they are just "ornamental" at the moment... http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//eek.gif http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net//biggrin.gif</font>

Ah, "ornamental", remind me not to invite you over to decorate the Christmas tree!