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    Default new bench vise needed

    I need a new bench vise, already have a Wilton 6" machinist vise, but would really like a vise with a swivel head. I don't want one of those cheap Chinesee swivel vises (available for HF for $65), were their 10 pounds of bondo and flexing swivel mount. I saw a vise in the enco catalog, model #428-8010, which seams a cut above the Chinesee model, has any one have one of these?

    www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PMAKA=428-8010

    Jack

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    I've had the same vise HF sells for several years now. Xmas present that cost my nephew $50 from Home Depot at the time.



    It weighs 65lbs BTW. At $65 that makes it a dollar a pound and I haven't seen any Bondo. The paint hasn't held up all that well but an OA torch will do that! I haven't taken a hammer to the handle because that's what cracked my last Craftsman vice, , but really, I've been very happy with it.

    Just my two cents. Not trying to influence your decision .....

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    Pntrbl,

    Have had 2 of the HF vises, thats why I need a new one, both were true POS, couldn't get the bases to lock down, and the other one, huge chucks, broke off. I will not buy another one. I truely glad yours appears to be of better quality than mine were, mine also didn't say Columbian casted in the side, just a paper sticker.

    Jack

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    Jack it must be your lucky day KBC tools has a flyer they sent out yesterday. Page 16 Part# 1-550-69999 http://www.kbctools.com/usa/main.cfm
    look down the right side for the salesr flyer and the open page 16 Wilton 5" Multi purpose vise $64.13
    The have numerous locations and do US and Canada.
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    I have both, the HF and the home depot wilton. The HF has held up better. The Wilton has lost most of its paint and has rust over most of it. And it is only a yr old.
    I to would like to see the palmgren that Enco is selling.



    And I wont ever sell my 450s Wilton. I have been looking for a 2 1/2" Wilton bullet vise. I bid on one last week that went for 300.00.

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    Wow. After tearing up two I'd be looking for something else too. With Columbian on it maybe mine ain't Chinese. Altho it looks the same as the HF and also bears a remarkable resemblance to the Wilton for sale at KBC. Jeez. Who knows? In this day and age it could have come from anywhere on the globe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by platypus2020
    Pntrbl,

    Have had 2 of the HF vises, thats why I need a new one, both were true POS, couldn't get the bases to lock down, and the other one, huge chucks, broke off. I will not buy another one. I truely glad yours appears to be of better quality than mine were, mine also didn't say Columbian casted in the side, just a paper sticker.

    Jack
    I hear that. I also have 2 of the HF vises, the big bad ones and I also find the lock down bolds strip out. Not a real problem to fix. Just pull it apart and replace the bolts and nuts. You can go american. I would go with a fine thread. Other than that the vises do well. I would spend 5 dollars on the new hardware before I spent 60+ for a whole new vise. That is stingy me anyway
    Mine did not lose chunks though.
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    A "Columbian" vise would not have to be that old for it to be made in the USA. I don't know when this "pntrbl type" of vise was last made here. The newest stuff is made offshore. If the store you visit doesn't have a large "turn over" they may still have the "older" vices on the shelf.

    "Columbian" and Wilton were/are related brands. I believe the "high end" Wilton vices are still made in the USA, but I haven't checked lately. Note that the "Wilton" name is being used on some import stuff, because "they" are trying to milk the "brand name". The "Columbian" and the Sears "clone" were made to a "price point", with the difference being paint color and where they were sold. Remember, SEARS, sells stuff, they don't make stuff. I don't know where or by whom the Crapsman vises on sale today are made.
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    I've got the 5" rotating "pipe vise" from HF. It's got the body filler finish, well chewed up after 7 years of beating on it and abusing it, but it's held up and works just fine. My only beef is that the mobile jaw tends to shift a bit if you don't crank it down, which you can't always do. Even cranked it can be persuaded to move if you're rough enough, which I often am working on heavy 4x4 stuff. Still, it's been well worth the money and I've not yet broken it. It's mounted on my welding table pretty much constantly and for a long time was my only vise.

    I have a 5" Wilton Machinist's Vise on the grinding/cutting table/cart thing. It is SOOO much more pleasant to use and has v-slotted brass jaws. I use it a lot for holding stuff during (diss)assembly, for stoning, and generally less abusive work. I would probably use it more if it had a swivel base, I need to make one some day...

    I recently picked up a Wilton 6” Mechanics Vise at the scrap yard for something like $10 as I recall. It is also mounted (currently) to my welding table and had been used in some sort of welding shop. It has some O/A gashes in the hard serrated jaws as well as heat damage to the paint, but otherwise is in fine shape. Like the HF, it also has a sloppy mobile jaw, but again, it has its purpose, which in my shop is for general abuse. And also like the HF vise, it often functions as a welding clamp, wailing on, or whatever. Things I would never use my Wilton Machinist’s Vise for…

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    Quote Originally Posted by pntrbl
    Wow. After tearing up two I'd be looking for something else too. With Columbian on it maybe mine ain't Chinese. Altho it looks the same as the HF and also bears a remarkable resemblance to the Wilton for sale at KBC. Jeez. Who knows? In this day and age it could have come from anywhere on the globe.SP
    My old mate Andy has an identical one(?) that he bought from the local hardware supply some decades ago when his old conventional one died. It gets used daily.
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