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  • #16
    Well, all the options for a Haas Mini mill can be daunting. Definitely want the probing, maybe chip auger. Is there another option to allow it to accept HSM tool paths? Unless I can use my 10HP RPC, think I am stuck with the 6000 spindle.

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    • #17
      Think about the types of jobs that you want to do. If you think you can do them mostly with quarter inch and larger end mills 6,000 RPM is passable. If you think you may find yourself doing a lot of high detail 3D carving with smaller end Mills and ball Mills get the fastest spindle they offer and you can afford.
      *** I always wanted a welding stinger that looked like the north end of a south bound chicken. Often my welds look like somebody pointed the wrong end of a chicken at the joint and squeezed until something came out. Might as well look the part.

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      • #18
        I'm taken back that everything I take for granted on the Centroid Acorn that it does for 300$ is split up into multi thousand dollar options.
        The base price is bull**** on any of their machines.

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        • #19
          Start with a VM2 if you can power it. The base price is a lot more, but the "standard" features are pretty darn good.

          The thing is if I waited until I had enough extra without cashing in stuff I shouldn't to pay cash for a VM2 with all the options I still wouldn't be making parts. By nickle and diming my way along with crap machines, a rebuilt machine, and a decent pro-hobbyist machine I've been making parts since about 2006, selling parts since not long after, selling as an registered business since 2010 and doing it as my primary business since 2016. My way isn't the best way, but it was the best way for me.

          Flying Tigers didn't start out with a huge fleet of brand new state of the art Jumbo Jets either.
          *** I always wanted a welding stinger that looked like the north end of a south bound chicken. Often my welds look like somebody pointed the wrong end of a chicken at the joint and squeezed until something came out. Might as well look the part.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Bob La Londe View Post
            Start with a VM2 if you can power it. The base price is a lot more, but the "standard" features are pretty darn good.

            The thing is if I waited until I had enough extra without cashing in stuff I shouldn't to pay cash for a VM2 with all the options I still wouldn't be making parts. By nickle and diming my way along with crap machines, a rebuilt machine, and a decent pro-hobbyist machine I've been making parts since about 2006, selling parts since not long after, selling as an registered business since 2010 and doing it as my primary business since 2016. My way isn't the best way, but it was the best way for me.

            Flying Tigers didn't start out with a huge fleet of brand new state of the art Jumbo Jets either.
            But they became Fed Ex...

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            • #21
              Originally posted by RB211 View Post

              But they became Fed Ex...
              Well, not every great story has a happy ending.
              *** I always wanted a welding stinger that looked like the north end of a south bound chicken. Often my welds look like somebody pointed the wrong end of a chicken at the joint and squeezed until something came out. Might as well look the part.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Bob La Londe View Post

                Well, not every great story has a happy ending.
                Oh, are you kidding? Those pilots became the highest paid in the world, happy ending for them!

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                • #23
                  Back on topic, think I'll shift gears into getting a VF2, but this will require moving or building a shop on some land where I can get 3 phase power. Probably move while I'm at it. This is where the mini mill ends up winning. Bah...

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                  • #24
                    Some types of AG property (depending on locale) can get 3 phase power to a farm shop. Of course if you have 100 acres with a pond you aren't going to want to hang out in the shop. LOL.
                    *** I always wanted a welding stinger that looked like the north end of a south bound chicken. Often my welds look like somebody pointed the wrong end of a chicken at the joint and squeezed until something came out. Might as well look the part.

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                    • #25
                      You mention having rental properties. Look into a buying a commercial space with a few units you can rent out, and occupy one of them with your machines. If you get to the point of hanging a shingle you will be more presentable in a commercial space than a garage shop. You also get to invest in the most profitable part of a manufacturing business. The real estate .

                      That was something I was thinking about before covid hit and our real estate prices went to the moon. Not sure its attainable anymore, so I kind of went another direction. I've been investing what I can, paying down debts, and stockpiling whatever cash is left as a hedge in case the market tanks (it can't keep going UP can it?). Probably still wont be able to swing it, but gotta plan for something.

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                      • #26
                        I think I want a machine I can grow into. VF2SS, Through spindle coolant, chip auger. Yeah, won't go in my garage. Maine project needs to be finished first. This mill is going to cost 100k.
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                        • #27
                          Just from a practical standpoint I would like to point out that it sounds like you are pinning your business plan around one machine. When you have machine down time which will inevitably happen at some point this could really hurt. Maybe a small high-speed machine for aluminum milling and a second machine for other work would make more sense. Maybe a pair of machines with different ideal capacities, but some overlapping capability. Something like a 30,000 RPM cm1 and a 4 or 5,000 RPM decent size CNC knee mill.

                          Maybe you'll get lucky and find an old office Mill for sale used in good condition.



                          *** I always wanted a welding stinger that looked like the north end of a south bound chicken. Often my welds look like somebody pointed the wrong end of a chicken at the joint and squeezed until something came out. Might as well look the part.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by RB211 View Post
                            Back on topic, think I'll shift gears into getting a VF2, but this will require moving or building a shop on some land where I can get 3 phase power. Probably move while I'm at it. This is where the mini mill ends up winning. Bah...
                            Curious why you jump right over the VF-1? Beside work envelope size, what else will the larger machine get you?

                            The HAAS mini mill, touted as a garage sized machine and single phase is taller than you might think. Possible difficulties getting it under a residential garage door and for at least one owner, necessitated cutting a hole in his ceiling to clear the spindle assembly in the raised position.

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                            • #29
                              Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the vf1 and vf2 share the same footprint. Same thing as the vf3/vf4. Same base castings, and outside footprint, just larger x travel for only 3k more is a pretty good bargoon IMO. The vf1 with a 4th parked on the table is pretty tight for a vise. Lots of room in the vf2.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Dan Dubeau View Post
                                Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the vf1 and vf2 share the same footprint. Same thing as the vf3/vf4. Same base castings, and outside footprint, just larger x travel for only 3k more is a pretty good bargoon IMO. The vf1 with a 4th parked on the table is pretty tight for a vise. Lots of room in the vf2.
                                If that's true, I wasn't aware of it. I've never seen them side by side.

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