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  • #16
    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Rex:
    Random thoughts as I read through the replies:

    I have a Logan 9x17 which I was lucky to get, and I intend to keep it. I think it's about as rare as that Southbend Workshop 9A. I've never seen one, nor run across the name on ebone or otherwise.
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    I have seen TWO in the last 6 months, both at estate sales. Cute, small, both nearly unused, with original paint, and unmarked ways. I didn't buy either of them, I have a 10" already.

    But, I wouldn't force old iron on anyone.

    I still think the 10" and 11" size chin-chin lathes are far better than the 9 x 20 as far as stabilit and features.

    The thing that kills the 9 x 20 is the feed deal, plus the high lowest speed, and the general thin and limber construction. By the time you fix what you can of the problems you *may* be along the way to the same work as fixing old iron. BUT, you have a known base, on which you are putting improvements.... there is that fact.

    Check out the next size up. There is a difference. Unfortunately, the $1000 really puts a crimp in it, as I see those in the $1100 to $1200 area, IIRC



    [This message has been edited by J Tiers (edited 03-10-2005).]
    1601

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    Hashim Khan

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    • #17
      Anyone know of any reputable used machinery dealers within 2 hours drive of NJ? I would like to pick up a used, American made 10x2?lathe.

      Or any good sites where individuals list their equipment?

      [This message has been edited by herbf (edited 03-20-2005).]

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      • #18
        Herb,

        I bought a South bend 9A in January, after watching EBay, and this and other BBSs, for about 6 months. And glad I did. You might try Dave Sobel, in Closter NJ(sp?). He advertises in HSM occasionally. Last time I visited Norman Machine Tool in Baltimore, they had several smaller machines - no 9s, but a couple of small Logans and an Atlas.

        Jeff Greenblatt

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        • #19
          I found the following used lathe, it's a Craftsman, but made by Clausing. Does anyone know if these are essentially the same quality as a Clausing branded lathe?

          "$800 Lathe bench, cabinet, Craftsman manufactured by Clausing 10" swing, 36" between centers, 3 jaw chuck, 4 jaw chuck, face plate, steady rest, drill chuck, live center set, indexable tool holder"

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          • #20
            From doing some more reading and research, it seems that both Atlas and Clausing made lathe under the Craftsman monikar. I guess Sears contracted this out to them.

            I also read that Atlas bought Clausing shortly after WWII, and later started marketing their lathes under the Clausing name since it was better known for quality.

            So let me know if you have any experiences, good or bad, w/ Craftsman lathes, either Clausing or Atlas, and if I find one w/ low hours I'm thinking on getting one pending your feedback.

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            • #21
              Atlas did make the Craftsman lathe, and purchased Clausing. A 10" Atlas/Craftsman lathe is a good machine for the home shop.

              They are not heavy duty, but will handle most jobs thrown at them. They also have an advantage in that parts are available on the used market.

              That said, the lathe described is not a bad price if the lathe is in good condition and has the quick change gearing. I fit is not a QC, all gears should be included.

              Inspection includes making sure there are no broken gears, parts, all features are functioning, and there is little wear on the bed.

              There is more information on Atlas lathes and good information on inspection on Tony's site: http://www.lathes.co.uk/index.html
              Jim H.

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              • #22
                <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by herbf:
                From doing some more reading and research, it seems that both Atlas and Clausing made lathe under the Craftsman monikar. I guess Sears contracted this out to them.

                I also read that Atlas bought Clausing shortly after WWII, and later started marketing their lathes under the Clausing name since it was better known for quality.

                So let me know if you have any experiences, good or bad, w/ Craftsman lathes, either Clausing or Atlas, and if I find one w/ low hours I'm thinking on getting one pending your feedback.
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                Atlas Press bought Clausing in 1950, and after that put Atlas or Clausing labels on whatever they felt like. The company name was changed from Atlas Press to Clausing Industrial in the late 1960s. Nothing resembling the old Clausing lathes was ever sold as a Craftsman. The line "Craftsman manufactured by Clausing" is, I suspect, meant to be deceptive, even though in a convoluted sense it can be considered correct, sort of. But it's too much like those dweebs who advertise their old Fiat Dinos as Ferraris. Craftsman/Atlas lathes are common enough, buy one from somebody who isn't trying to jack you. In any case, I don't think there ever was a 10" Craftsman lathe.

                The Atlas/Craftsman lathes are decent designs, though cheaply made. The beds in particular are very light and tend to flex. A reasonably skilled machinist can get very good results from one. The cast zamak parts which make up so much of an Atlas lathe are sturdier than one might expect, but still not as durable as good ol' iron or steel parts.

                Perhaps because Craftsman and Atlas are well-known, prices seem to me to be overheated. They approach Logan prices, which is just plain nuts.

                'Way back when, I considered the Chinese 9x19 lathes myself, but then I found out that for less money I could get old American, and have a much better machine.

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                • #23
                  Herb,
                  Atlas lathes are good choice home/hobby machines. Just make sure you get a Timken bearing machine & check the bed & lead screws excessive wear. A quick change gear box is also very desirable. If you've never run a Monarch lathe, you won't be frustrated using the Atlas. It just takes lots of time to rough out large parts. (lots of light cuts)I've owned a 6" Atlas, 10" Atlas, and a 12" Craftsman (Atlas). Yes the hole through the spindle is less than 1" but this would only be a problem if it prevents you from doing what you need it to.

                  Best of luck,
                  Ed

                  Ed Pacenka

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                  • #24
                    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by sauer38h:


                    Perhaps because Craftsman and Atlas are well-known, prices seem to me to be overheated. They approach Logan prices, which is just plain nuts.
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                    Approach?

                    Atlas/Craftsman is often at to above Logan pricing, yes, due to name recognition, of course.
                    1601

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                    Hashim Khan

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                    • #25
                      <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by J Tiers:
                      Approach?

                      Atlas/Craftsman is often at to above Logan pricing, yes, due to name recognition, of course.
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                      OK, so what Logan m/n should I look for that is around $800 and better than the Craftsman/Clausing/Atlas lathes discussed?

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                      • #26
                        Of the more common lathes in this size range, I would rate them Atlas/Craftsman, Rockwell, Logan, South Bend and Sheldon in ascending order of quality, rigidity and features. My opinion, and you can probably swap any two around without changing things markedly.

                        I would worry less about model and brand and more about condition and accessories.

                        The Atlas is a bit lighter than the others, but more than adequate for most purposes. I would take a good Atlas over any of the Asian economy 9X20 machines any day.

                        Atlas and South Bend command higher prices due to their name, Logan, Rockwell and Sheldon are less popular, but equally good or better machines.

                        I recommend buying the best lathe you can find for the money available. I say this because I often see people asking which of the Asian imports is a better buy, looking for the cheapest available. To my mind this is false economy. The best of these lathes can be marginal, and to buy the lowest cost version of an already low quality machine can only give you problems.

                        [This message has been edited by JCHannum (edited 03-21-2005).]
                        Jim H.

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                        • #27
                          Well, I have a Model 200 10". Mine is a change gear unit, and has been quite nice. I have made a few enhancements.

                          I believe the model 820 is basically the same overall, but more of that type were made with the QC gears.

                          An 11" is slightly nicer, as it takes a 5C in the spindle collet adapter. I don't know the 11" model numbers.

                          As an indication, the Logan usually weighs half again to twice as much as the typical similar Atlas. Mass is good in lathes.

                          S-B is usually way overpriced around here on name recognition.

                          And, many S-B are much lighter built than Logan or especially Sheldon of similar size. The typical 9" S-B looks and is very light, with narrow and shallow ways. Yet the asking prices here are often near $1000 for the lathe, accessories minimal to nothing.

                          My Logan cost $600 complete with chucks, faceplate, steady, tooling, everything needed to get right to work. Go figure.

                          [This message has been edited by J Tiers (edited 03-21-2005).]
                          1601

                          Keep eye on ball.
                          Hashim Khan

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                          • #28
                            I have a rockwell 10 x 24 that I got when I was looking at 9 x 20's and I'm glad I did.
                            I'd hold out for a machine with a back gear, quick change gear box and cross feed.
                            The 920's fill a niche but I bet most folks who own them wish they had something else.
                            One plus of my rockwell is the nifty variable speed but it has a funky back gear arrangement.

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                            Hoffman in Warner Robins Ga
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                            • #29
                              Frequently there are good deals on the famous Loose Change brand lathes .......


                              http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...500764077&rd=1

                              As always condition is everything. Check Condition............Just kidding.Goodluck

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                              • #30
                                I bought a Griz 9x20 about 10 years ago. Had to do some fiddling around to get everything right. I snapped up an old Craftsman (Atlas) 9x36 that was like new, used by an old clockmaker. 10 times the machine, gave the Griz to a friend to be rid of it. However, old machines in good shape are hard to find, and working with a worn out piece of junk ain't no picnic either, I do enough of that at work. I'm looking at a new Jet 16x60, looks like a pretty stout machine also has over 3" clearance inside the spindle.
                                Smitty.... Ride Hard, Die Fast

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