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    they said they would ship jobs off shore.
    http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...8/170632.shtml
    Non, je ne regrette rien.

  • #2
    What a nerve this is flaunting their cut prices cut jobs cut wages right in front of your face. Alistair
    Please excuse my typing as I have a form of parkinsons disease

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    • #3
      What was the name of your new sub that needs target practice?
      jim

      [This message has been edited by shaque (edited 05-03-2005).]
      Jim

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      • #4
        Gee! Here's the dumbest statement in the whole article:

        "Try to get American software engineers to work at night,"

        What American programmers don't work all night when needed? I've put in 24 hour workdays, when needed, for over 27 years. I've put in tons of 16 hour days, and Saturdays, and Sundays, and holidays, etc.

        I've gotten up at 2:00 am so I could run testing before the production system users came in at 8:00 am then I stayed until 8 pm analyzing testing results.

        I've worked from 6:00 am to 4:00 am, gone home for a 2 hour nap then came back in to work from 8:00 to 5:00.

        I used to work noon to midnight for months on special projects.

        At MCI they required people to work 10 hours a day, 7 days a week on programming projects to meet deadlines. They didn't give them a dime extra over the 40 hour a week pay rate.

        This is all standard stuff for the American Software Engineer and it's almost always uncompensated.

        This guy is a damned liar.

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        • #5
          aren't all the dockworkers union members? something tells me when a boatload of foreigners, who are there specfically to take American jobs, comes into dock, very bad things may happen. i sure wouldn't want to be on that ship.

          andy b.
          The danger is not that computers will come to think like men - but that men will come to think like computers. - some guy on another forum not dedicated to machining

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          • #6
            My brother told me years ago about a weapons manufacturer that did basically the same thing as a way to get around taxes. You can read a Forbes article about the company here: http://www.forbes.com/business/forbe.../0509/048.html

            The company's website is here: http://www.sea-code.com/

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            • #7
              We need more experienced software engineers in the US. If they are able to bring in enough experienced engineers on SeaCode then that would be highly beneficial to a lot of US companies. A lot of US based companies lack the experienced engineers they need to stay competitive.

              Your average "Joe" programmer just isn't good enough these days.. You have to look overseas because all of the senior software engineers in the US are already employed and their employers make it highly desirable to stay..

              If your a software engineer and you can't find a job, then it's because your skill set is lacking, or your resume is lost in the sea of average Joe's.

              -Adrian


              [This message has been edited by 3 Phase Lightbulb (edited 05-03-2005).]

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              • #8
                Working at night is standard fare for most software engineers - it's the PHB's that take off early! Also - these guys can't code their way out of a wet paper bag: if they could, they wouldn't be on that ship, making minimum wage! Furthermore, I would be suprised if the IRS didn't have something to say about it.

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                • #9
                  Adrian,

                  I've got to take exception with what you're saying.

                  "If your a software engineer and you can't find a job, then it's because your skill set is lacking, or your resume is lost in the sea of average Joe's."

                  Or it's because you're living in an area where tons of programmers have been laid off or where programmer jobs have gone overseas. Lots of major metro areas have depressed IT job markets these days. Only recently (say, within the past year or less) has the situation improved in some of these areas.

                  "We need more experienced software engineers in the US."

                  We have lots of good software engineers that are unemployed. They're just not willing to work for $10 an hour, live with 3 other programmers in the same 2 bedroom apartment, and share one car with those same 3 other programmers. They're also not willing to work here for a few months, then move to another country for a month, and then do it all over again.

                  "You have to look overseas because all of the senior software engineers in the US are already employed and their employers make it highly desirable to stay.."

                  Nonsense! Many of the more experienced, higher paid senior programmers are targets of downsizing due to their higher pay. That's why companies will get rid of them and try to replace them with someone who has 2 or 3 years of experience. Just enough experience to be productive and so little experience that they can be paid low wages. Then they'll work them silly and have the few more experienced programmers fix their stupid mistakes.

                  -Dan

                  [This message has been edited by pgmrdan (edited 05-03-2005).]

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                  • #10
                    Top ten help wanted ads in the local paper-

                    #1 Truckdriver
                    #2 Millwright
                    #3 Forklift operator
                    #4 Hydraulic mechanic
                    #5 Petro-chemical plant operator
                    #6 Accounts manager
                    #7 Respritory therapist
                    #8 Civil engineer
                    #9 ASME certified mechanic
                    #10 LPN/OBGYN assitant

                    Notice nowhere on the list are any computer tech or professional jobs.Yet guidance counselers keep pushing computer science and programing even though every job worth having in those fields is already filled.

                    Buddy's son spent four years in college learning programing,statistical anylisis and so on.Now he is looking for a job,just trying to find one that pays better than his part time job driving a garbage truck.
                    I just need one more tool,just one!

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                    • #11
                      I don't think these bozos have taken into consideration the expense of running ship.
                      First they can't stay anchored in one spot beacause they have to be twelve miles off shore to dump sewage and 50 miles off shore to pump oily waste and their are a whole host of other environmental laws they must comply with.
                      Also it depends on how the ship is flagged
                      if they Flag it U.S. they have to pay union
                      scale. They could also get nailed for software if someone classified it as cargo
                      they fall under the Jones Act.
                      Non, je ne regrette rien.

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                      • #12
                        <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by pgmrdan:
                        Adrian,

                        I've got to take exception with what you're saying.

                        "If your a software engineer and you can't find a job, then it's because your skill set is lacking, or your resume is lost in the sea of average Joe's."

                        Or it's because you're living in an area where tons of programmers have been laid off or where programmer jobs have gone overseas. Lots of major metro areas have depressed IT job markets these days. Only recently (say, within the past year or less) has the situation improved in some of these areas.
                        </font>
                        That's the sea of average Joe's. We have way too many of them. Software engineering is an extreamly fast paced highly competive industry. Technology is moving forward far faster than most people can keep up with. Unfortunatly, that means when a company makes a technology change, a lot of people will be misplaced.

                        <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by pgmrdan:

                        "We need more experienced software engineers in the US."

                        We have lots of good software engineers that are unemployed. They're just not willing to work for $10 an hour, live with 3 other programmers in the same 2 bedroom apartment, and share one car with those same 3 other programmers. They're also not willing to work here for a few months, then move to another country for a month, and then do it all over again.
                        </font>
                        Yes, we have lots of "good software engineers that are unemployed", but unfortunatly companies needer fewer good ones, and more great ones. There is a big difference. There are a lot of "good software enginners" in India. There is no such thing as an unemployed senior software engineer. It's like an artist. If a senior software engineer is not designing/developing software for someone else, they are creating and selling their own software. The demand for software will never be satasified.

                        <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by pgmrdan:

                        "You have to look overseas because all of the senior software engineers in the US are already employed and their employers make it highly desirable to stay.."

                        Nonsense! Many of the more experienced, higher paid senior programmers are targets of downsizing due to their higher pay. That's why companies will get rid of them and try to replace them with someone who has 2 or 3 years of experience. Just enough experience to be productive and so little experience that they can be paid low wages. Then they'll work them silly and have the few more experienced programmers fix their stupid mistakes.
                        </font>
                        Senior software engineers are not laid off because of their "higher pay". They are laid off because they are no longer helping the company. You can't replace a senior software engineer with several non-senior level people. That's like replacing a teacher in a classroom with 3 or 4 students.

                        -Adrian

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                        • #13
                          Adrian,

                          No offense, but how old are you? That might explain your viewpoint.

                          I've been doing software development and support for over 27 years and I'm employed in a very good job. I've worked for Southwestern Bell Telephone (where at times I worked with AT&T and Bell Labs), McDonnell Douglas, and MCI. I'm currently with another large, world class company that I will not name. I've seen a lot.

                          I've also spent quite a few years in management and the rest of the time as a technical person.

                          I know that a lot of what you're saying just isn't true so we'll just have to agree to disagree.

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                          • #14
                            3Phase - you're right and wrong: many companies, seeking a short-term savings, do try to replace senior engineers with lower-pay junior ones (or outsource it to India, etc) -- with the predictable results (low quality product, slipping schedules, etc). So, yeah: the students are running the classroom!

                            [This message has been edited by hammerhead74000 (edited 05-04-2005).]

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                            • #15
                              Same was done off the coast of Washington state. Japanese Lumber milling machinery on a old freighter, logs went out on a barge, came back as lumber. OR went overseas as lumber. I think it was posted inside the territorial waters thou.

                              I'd be interested to see how they stopped that. I have not heard of it again. Though they (Japanese Govt.) Sued a internet site because they posted the "Bataan Death march" tombstone where 200,000+ americans were slaughtered. They said it promoted hateful feelings against thier country and they won the lawsuit. Looks like they won the war, just took them 50 years.

                              I'm 48, the grey in my beard turns employers off. My Union when I decide to work has a clause that states at least one senior electrician over 55 on the job. This allows them to hire someone who is 55 and fire the old fellow. Sneaky snakes bend rules to suit them.

                              Weird: Respriatory specialist is needed because of the Petro-chemical workers. Yep, been there, got my lungs permenantly damaged.
                              Always follow your gut feeling if you think you will get hurt, never listen to a hollering "stupid" foreman.

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