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    Greetings all

    Need another opinion. What would be the best 9X20 bench lathe. I expect lots of feed back. Have looked at the Chinese made model at Harbor Freight. What about Enco, Jet and such?

    Thanks

    Russ
    Russ

  • #2
    Look for a good used Logan, Atlas, Myford, etc.

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    • #3
      I'll second that, but Grizzly has a slightly larger 11x24 that looks a bit better in the catalog they sent me.

      I saw one of the little 9" ones, didn't like it, it looked like a reasonable 5" that got stretched too far. The usual quibbles about stupidly setup accessories apply............

      I don't like buying Chicom products, but you seem to be already going there.

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      • #4
        Go for the lathe. I just got an enco 13x40 for $2600. On sale I looked at used American ones but said huh, buy a new one for the same price. ps do you know how to move this thing. Also every one craps on Harbor Freight but they still buys there tools. Like there 4 1/4 in grinder. I have one and can not kill it. Also just got a Toyota Matrix 2003. I bet a lot of them have a rice grinder car.

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        • #5
          My two cents are to buy a good used
          Southbend or Atlas that usually can be had for less than a new 9" import. Bought my used 9" 1936 Southbend for $500 and it works great and came with a lot of expensive accessories. As far as imports, I would look at the Jet 9 x 20" model. Their quality seems to be the best for the imports. Good luck.

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          • #6
            Ok, if money is no object, what's the best manual lathe that I can buy that's brand new.

            Albert

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            • #7
              I bought a Enco 9X20.

              Then I bought a fully tooled 9" South Bend Model A "Workshop"

              The Model A ran rings around the Enco. Not even in the same league!

              I gave the Enco away. I feel bad that I hadn't PAID him to take it away.

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              • #8
                I have two 9" lathes, a Jet BD920 and an old South Bend 9" Model A. The South Bend is twice as heavy, smooth, and has power to the cross slide. The Jet is more accurate - I'll keep both.

                Something to consider....A Jet 9x20 runs +/- $1,000 (depending on the sale) and Harbor Freight has a decent 12x36 for $1,800. If you can save the extra bucks, forgo the 9x20 and move up to a 12" lathe with power to the longitudinal feed and cross feeds - you will be glad you did.

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                • #9
                  Albert
                  Hardinge HLV-DR (metric/inch) fully loaded $65,000 plus freight and taxes - includes two days instruction and machine setup and adjustment. 3,000 lbs. 7"x18" (over cross slide). It comes with DRO, Lexan guards, Lighting, and a genuine Hardinge chair to park your arse on while watching one of the very best lathes in the world do its thing.

                  Highly recommended.

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                  • #10
                    Although I'm pretty new to this BBS, and relatively new to machining, I will chime in. Be patient, watch estate sale bills and other auctions. I was seriously looking at an import 7 x 10 (because of $), but I decided (this goes against my Gen-x, gotta have it now, mentality) to look for a used one after reading posts on this and other boards. I'm glad I did. I found a 12 x 36 Atlas with a whole mess of tooling, I've had to replace some parts and will have to add more in the future, but I have a working lathe w/ tooling and I am still right around the cost of a Homier 7 x 10 w/ no tooling ($299). Just a newbie's opinion.
                    My "new" atlas has alot of character and is well seasoned. Plus the whole auction thing was alot of fun, and my "new" machine has a history. Sorry this doesn't directly answer your question. Matt

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                    • #11
                      Thrud,

                      Nice choice! Me I'm drooling over this little beaut (a Schaublin 135) thats up for sale with a UK dealer for a snip at آ£6750 (circa $10,500USD)
                      http://www.gandmtools.co.uk/photos%20851-900/0890.html

                      Only being 'pre-used' I don't suppose it counts!

                      RustySpanner(!)
                      Listen to Al, Southbend, and debequem....feel the quality, don't be blinded by the shiny paint. Its only skin deep!

                      RR

                      [This message has been edited by Ragarsed Raglan (edited 09-10-2002).]

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                      • #12
                        Thanks for the positive input. The primary reason I looked at 9X20 was space. Should have mentioned that right off. Don't know which way I will go yet. Auctions and shop closings are probably the best bet. Again, thanks to you all.

                        Russ

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                        • #13
                          RR

                          As usual, your taste in lathes is outstanding my friend! That is a beauty, I see it is pretty well loaded too!

                          I have two pieces of Schnaublin tooling an E25 MT#2 collet chuck and collets and a MT#2 1.25" face mill - triple insert. The collets are a bitch to get out and around $100 each. My solution was a Lyndex ER-25 Ball Bearing Nut and ER-25 Precision grade collets. The Ball Bearing Nut allows you to put enough pressure on HSS drills to mar the shanks, so pull out with 5/8" and smaller endmills is pretty much nil. The extraction groove of the ER-25 also makes it easy to get the collet out with the ball bearing nut. This was only possible because everyone threads the nose of the toolholder the same metric pitch world wide - another good reason for standards!

                          Blah, Blah, Blah. Yup, they make nice stuff!

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                          • #14
                            Thrud,

                            Like you once said "...any more room and I'd have no more room" I lie in bed at night and picture how nice that Schaublin would look in my workshop; then I remember how the ears would burn from the lady besides me; then I cry.....

                            I use ER25 collets with my Aciera F3 miller (the Schaublin W20 collets are good.....but not that good!!). To do this I had to make my own W20 to ER25 collet holder. The collets I bought were ETM brand, and at the same time I bought an ETM replacement nut. They slip in and out like a rat up a drain pipe! But do they grip!! never had any problem with pull out, nor with tool shank marring. The ETM nut also has a little diamond marker etched on the nose to show you where to slant the collet when fitting or removing ~ neat touch. The real cool thing about ER's is the way that you can cover 1 mm increments with the collapse range; whereas the original W20 collets would only tolerate a few thou discrepancy, like use a 5/8ths slot drill in a 16mm collet is a BIG 'no - no'. Converting to the ER's has allowed me to redeploy the Jacob's drill chuck back to the lathe tailstock (only for rough work, the Rohm is kept for precision stuff!)

                            BTW ~ does the ER stand for Easy Release??? anyone know??

                            RR

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                            • #15
                              RR

                              It might have been something like that - they are far better than their sans-groove versions! Try a Ball Bearing Nut - I started with a Narex, but the set screw retaining the balls flew out under power along with the all the balls, so Now I have a Lyndex nut - better made, injectionmolded plug to retain bearings.

                              I would not mind a Aciera F1 with all the goodies - could squeeze that in the basement shower stall! I thought about building a clone from billet, but I am still hoping I come across one from someone does not know what they have! Hey, I can be a dink when you dangle the right bauble under my nose! I would calmly pay what they ask, get a receipt, and laugh maniacally all the way to the truck!

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