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  • Will this welder butt weld 1/4" steel?

    http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=40388

    It says it will, and I understand that there is a learning curve (as opposed to a mig welder) but my need is infrequent, and my cash nearly non-existant...

    If you think it won't, can you please suggest a low cost alternative? Thanks in advance.

    Ben

    [This message has been edited by Benjamin Borowsky (edited 10-03-2005).]

  • #2
    Ben:
    Just did some quick research. The specs on the machine in question state "Duty cycle 230V: 6% @ 95 amps" That in laymans terms means that in a 10 minute period you can weld for about 35 seconds without the welder overheating. That is @95 amps pluged into 230v ac. Now looking into my Lincoln welding manual using E6011 on 16 ga steel(.060) requires 100 amps with the welder set on AC. So to answer your quesion is I do'nt think so.
    Jim
    Ad maiorem dei gloriam - Ad vitam paramus

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    • #3
      In my opinion those little welders are useless, might be able to make a decient batery charger out of one. The best thing to do is look for a used welder. Look for a local paper where thing are put up for sale, in my area there is a trader that comes out every week with local things for sale. There are usualy a few old welders in there every week. Those old Lincon 225 welders seem to live forever and you can usualy find an old one for a pretty good price.

      Jim

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      Jim Koper
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      • #4
        From my experience those small welders with alum cores can have a melt down if put to moderately heavey use. I'd second the sugestion of looking for an older s/hand machine.I would also suggest that the recomendation of 100amps to weld 16ga is way over the top. I use closer to 65-70 amps for that thin material. Do you already have a mig if so why not use that?
        Cheers.

        Ian

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        • #5
          A buddy of mine just sold a Lincoln Tombstone (225 I think) for $55. There are some deals out there from guys who have bought MIGs and the sticks are gathering dust. Maybe check Ebay for one locally.

          I buy stuff from HF but that don't look too good.

          6% dudy cycle

          [This message has been edited by hoffman (edited 10-03-2005).]
          Techno-Anarchist

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          • #6
            I you're gonna weld 1/4" on a regular basis and cost of entry is a consideration you probably should get a plain vanilla buzz box. Stick welding is more tolerant of mediochre fit-up, scale, and rust than MIG. And good buzz boxes (translation - buzz box: basic AC welder like the Lincoln 225 or 180) come on the market all the time with people moving on to MIG.

            Here's another tip. Good strong welds are much more of a product of good joint prep, clean procedure, and unhurried puddle manipulation than expensive equipment. Weld over rust and paint and your weld quality will show it by breaking off at the fusion line. I seen it happen many times. Loudly and expensively heppen.

            I made more money with my Lincoln buzz box in 11 years than I have with my zillion dollar machine shop since. Use 6013 or 7013 Fleetweld 37 for general structural welding and you'll do nearly as well as the guy with the fancy schmancy gear.

            [This message has been edited by Forrest Addy (edited 10-04-2005).]

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            • #7
              Better to spend some real money and get something that will work right, rather than waste your money on that POS that will melt down the first time you use it.

              Hell, I paid $150 for My AC/DC Lincoln "tombstone", and it looked practically new. Look around - they are out there.


              HTRN

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              • #8
                Yikes! The duty cycle on that thing is the pits. You might be able to tack-weld with it but laying down a couple of inches of weld will probably have the thing going up in smoke.

                Save your money and get something with a minimum of 30% duty cycle. The more, the better.

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                • #9
                  I bought a 110v welder advertised to weld up to 3/16". Duty cycle was 15-20% at highest setting. I lived in a rental overseas and didn't have 220v available. I welded up a trailer hitch with good welds but the technique was "weld and wait" because of the duty cycle. It welded thin stuff really well. That welder served me well for those circumstances. My attention span wouldn't allow waiting 94% of the time.

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                  • #10
                    that welder is a pos. not worth the time to takeit out of the box. also dont use 6013 use 6011.

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                    • #11
                      I can't believe they would even make a welder with such pitiful specs. I've used some of the older low power welders like this and they are horrid. With todays technology there is no excuse for that POS.
                      You can get ol' buzzboxes for almost nothing. Most people get rid of them because they don't take the time to get at least a bit of proper instruction on how to stick weld.(hint, hint)
                      Russ
                      I have tools I don't even know I own...

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                      • #12
                        Thanks all... I suspected as much, but I wanted to be sure. I appreciate the $$ save.

                        Better no tool at all than a crappy tool. I'll look on ebay...

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                        • #13
                          Ben,

                          This was my first "real" welder and it certainly has the power to do what you want:

                          http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...temnumber=4028

                          It's got a nice heavy duty power cord, a build in 50A combo Switch/Circuit breaker, good quality welding cables, and very good amp control... The price with $8 shipping is great too.

                          It's only an A/C machine, but I think it was a wonderful first "Real" welder. I had a ton of fun using mine.




                          -Adrian


                          [This message has been edited by 3 Phase Lightbulb (edited 10-04-2005).]

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                          • #14
                            Adrian: I'm sure it would do it... but I'm limited to 110 - and don't have a best friend electician to help me out. Thanks, though, I appreciate it.

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                            • #15
                              <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Benjamin Borowsky:
                              Adrian: I'm sure it would do it... but I'm limited to 110 - and don't have a best friend electician to help me out. Thanks, though, I appreciate it.</font>

                              Electricians just cause problems, otherwise we wouldn't need a Code for them to follow

                              I'm just curious, where did you plan on using your welder? Is there a breaker panel near by? This is never recommended, but it's very easy to temporarily wire up a 230v welder right to your service panel with very little instruction and very safe (although I'm sure most would say otherwise). All you need is a spare 2-pole 50A breaker, a screw driver, some wire cutters/strippers, and about about 5 minutes of your time.

                              -Adrian

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