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    Lost a bid on a Diacro #1 Bender on eBay tonight and got two offers from guys wanting to sell me different ones. What are the chances that one of these is legit? Anyone have any luck buying outside of eBay? One guy's user ID is imsteamer. I would really like to have a #2 or #3, but they are really mucho dinero. Thanks--Mike.

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    I won't say that it doesn't happen and sometimes buyers and sellers come together because they became aware of a potential customer by observing Ebay purchases. There is much more risk because your only recourse if the deal is bad is our legal system. It is better when you have a public forum to air your grievances among the peers in the market. Still if you can get assurances that you are satisfied with and the money risked isn't too high, and your gut feeling is right, go for it!

    Burn me once shame on you. Burn me twice shame on me. I've made more great deals than bad ones, and I still have faith in people. I would suggest that you do a little research to see if there is some independent information you can verify. Like the persons address or phone book listing. You need at least one or two verifiable pieces of information that will not evaporate after you send your money.

    Good luck.

    Spence

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    • #3
      I think I have seen imsteamer sales, and he might be a good seller. Check his feedback.
      eBay makes it difficult to contact someone you are not dealing directly with to prevent this from happening, and I am surprised that two sellers have been able to contact you.
      There is a second chance feature that will allow a seller to offer a duplicate item to another bidder for his last bid.
      Take a close look at both sellers, and their feedback, they may be reputable, and it wouldn't be any different than buying from any other used equipment dealer.
      Jim H.

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      • #4
        I've been getting them every so often and I never ever open the email (well almost never). But I absolutely never open any attachments. Often these are the result of bids made on a lark. See something neat and I figure, what the heck, $xx plus shipping.
        Forty plus years and I still have ten toes, ten fingers and both eyes. I must be doing something right.

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        • #5
          If you want to keep it as an e-bay deal as the seller to list it on e-bay at a prearranged price (he may charge a little more to cover e-bay fees) as a three day auction. It can be listed named as simply a tool or anything else and listed under something other than industrial and not post the photo until the last hour or so (most people don't like bidding on something they can't see). The goal here is to hide the item and obscure it so no one else can find it. The luster would then tell you where to look and hopefully no one else will find it. You would wait until the photo is listed and then put in a bid. If no one else finds it and they shouldn't as a search engine won't find it as it won't be listed as a bender and searching by category won't work as it will be in a different category (something that most guys won't look in) and without a photo until the last hour people won't know what it is. This way you are now both protected by e-bays policies.
          I sometimes sell items outside of e-bay by finding people through e-bay and sometimes people are receptive and sometimes they are not. Personally if I had a Diacro Bender I would put it on e-bay as it is a guarantee sale item, the only question is how much I can get for it. Unless the person selling it to you is charging his buy-it-now price he is better off selling at an auction on e-bay he stands a chance of making more money. Myself, I would not purchase a high ticket item directly from someone without something to protect me from crooks. As they say "Buyer Beware"

          Mike

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          • #6
            Agree on a price and have him post it as a "buy it now" at that price.
            I just need one more tool,just one!

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            • #7
              Ditto what WS says plus, The seller can make the item viewable only to you.

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              • #8
                Checked him out and his +feedback is 360. He says he has tons of used tooling, including a diacro #2 and #3 benders for sale. What would be a fair price for these? They are really expensive as new but maybe they are going out of fashion since CNC is growing.

                Maybe I should try to build one myself if they are too expensive. Thanks--Mike.

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                • #9
                  My view? Run as fast and far as you can. Someone willing to cheat E-bay is willing to cheat you. (Amazing how we are often willing to over-look someone's immoral conduct when we may benefit from it!)

                  Many of these guys are actually off-shore and you will never get your stuff or your money back. It's also very easy to inflate good feed back with bogus sales of small $ items. My three biggest recommendations are RUN, RUN, and RUN! If you still want to go ahead with it, I think Weird's idea is the best way to execute a bad idea...

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                  • #10
                    I have 3 of these benders 1#2 & 2 #3 and no tooling except a few pins... if you need a #3 (i think it's a #3) it's about 18" or so outside dia. with the factory stand/storage area under make me a fair offer i was think'n of putting it on ebay... only found this site & this forum in my search for tooling/dies for my unit... these jokers are heavy... the ones i have were used in a public school shop class and even they couldn't tear em up... ur welcome to email me tell me whats a fair price... (don't know that any price is worth me move'n it around and pack'n for shipping...but i'd rather someone that would use it have it) let me know i'm in memphis tn... so if ur anywhere close it'd be great if u could pick it up...
                    [email protected]

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                    • #11
                      Ebay allows a seller to set up a private sale to one individual. There's no need to try and hide it. The only person that can see it is the named buyer. Do it that way or take the risk alone.

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                      • #12
                        Cant ya just call the guy? Get a mailing addy? I mean Ebay is great, but it is not immoral to buy outside it? Is it?

                        Just because someone knows how to find a customer does not make them a thief, just smart?

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                        • #13
                          1. The process is against Ebay policy. (Using ebay to solicit off-site buys.)
                          2. You increase your chances of being ripped-off with no recourse.
                          3. Con artist are VERY good at finding customers.
                          4. If the seller is willing to break with policy, he probably has little regard for your satisfaction.

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                          • #14
                            I don't know crooks are quite clever.. are you sure that the offer came from the person you think it did. Or is it some Cyber Con using a good ID to victimize to both of you... something to think about. Got to be careful.

                            If it is the guy just have him list it as a BIN and send you the item # because it takes a couple hours for a newly listed item to get into the general search.

                            [This message has been edited by Tinkerer (edited 11-20-2004).]
                            Wow... where did the time go. I could of swore I was only out there for an hour.

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                            • #15
                              I have sold things in the same manner if I happen to have more than one or done want to fool around with ebay, tell him to send pic,phone and address.
                              Non, je ne regrette rien.

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