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  • PStechPaul
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    I had a Sinclair ZX80 and its successor Timex T1000, ca 1980. They had a 4k or 8k system BASIC ROM and about 2k RAM which I upgraded to 16k. In 1984 I bought my first "real" computer, a "Leading Edge" 8086 with two 5-1/4" FDDs and a "Turbo" 7 MHz clock. I think it had 16k RAM which I upgraded to 64k, and I paid over $2000 for it! There is a computer museum here in Cockeysville with some really ancient "old iron" (or is that silicon?)

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    When I was a youngster, I made a silly "computer", called "COMPUTAC", which displayed the results of adding three numbers, using multi-deck selector switches:

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    I was still afraid of the hot soldering iron, so I made all the connections with solid wire squeezed onto the terminals.
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  • J Tiers
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    Old computer iron? Heh...

    I have an SWTPC 6800, with data terminal, and a 6809 card (multi-tasking), There is a clone of the original IBM PC running around here, and various desktop and laptops running everything from DOS and Win 95, Win 3.11. XP, Vista, 7, 8, and 10. Got rid of the Apple II long ago, but may have at least part of an S-100 bus machine somewhere. All of them were used as primary computer at one time.

    I used to have (and use) an example of Hewlett-Packard's first product, and I have too many HP items not quite that old in the electronics lab.

    Yeah, I got too darn much stuff that I used to use all the time, and never got rid of when it was replaced.. Some did go away, like one of HP's first tunable voltmeter... yeah I had one of those with the typed 1940s manual.

    We will not mention the three lathes, two mills, two shapers, four drill presses, and several grinders. Oops, I just did.... I must be channeling JR.😁

    Why is it here? Well, as I said, at one time I used it, and it never left when it fell out of use, likely because nobody wanted it. That's true of most of the stuff that is not used now.
    Last edited by J Tiers; 05-21-2020, 02:52 AM.

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  • PStechPaul
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    Yeah, I learned a lot. I enjoy a challenge, and it's especially gratifying when it pays off. Maybe this will help someone else who may have similar problems. Now I'll think about what I might use this 'puter for. It seems to be a pretty nice machine. I like the full travel keyboard, and the touchpad works well. The lithium battery is in good shape, and the display is nice.

    As for "old computer iron", I have a Columbia Data portable with an actual amber CRT from around 1985, a "lunchbox" portable with LCD screen from around 1990, and a Samsung "laptop" with an orange plasma screen about the same vintage.


    [edit] And the "secret word" was "Virtualizers"...
    Last edited by PStechPaul; 05-21-2020, 02:05 AM.

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  • pinstripe
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    You've done well. There are always snags along the way when you do this kind of stuff for the first time.

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  • PStechPaul
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    Thanks for that. My question would have been "Why doesn't my CD boot?", and I figured out that it was because I didn't properly burn the ICO image. So they might have laughed at me for that. There are many useful functions on that CD, especially "Part Magic", which runs a form of Linux. I was also able to use DriveImage XML to restore the XML image to the C: drive. But it just copied the entire thumb drive and not the image, which was in a folder. So although I could read the files (using Linux), the HDD would not boot.

    Eventually, I had to remove the drive and connect it to my Win10 machine, but it did not show up as a disc drive letter. So I had to use the Disc Management app to delete the (Linux) partition and reform it to be compatible with Windows, and have it assigned a drive letter. Then I was able to use DriveImage XML to properly restore the image to the drive. However, it still would not boot from the HDD.

    So, I thought maybe I would just install Linux on this machine. But the current versions are all 64 bit, and the Pentium M and its environment apparently only supports 32 bit. I found some distros for "lite" versions, and made boot discs. But they did not work very well, if at all, although I was able to get a little further with a 32 bit legacy version of LinuxLite. It showed
    "This kernel requires the following features not present on the CPU : PAE", and stuck there. However I found a way to "force pae", and it finally ran (although not installed). PAE is Physical Address Extension.

    When I opened the lid, it informed me that the linux session was locked, and demanded a username and password, which must be some default which I don't know. I finally used "linux" as the username and that worked!

    I found an app which displayed the info on the HDD as 30GB Master Boot Record with 52 bad sectors, 37 oC, HPFS/NTFS. There was a "Bootable" flag that was not set, so after setting it....

    Yahoo! XP is finally alive and (hopefully) well!

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  • pinstripe
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    Originally posted by PStechPaul View Post
    But there is no "Useful Links" page. The nearest I found was "Resources&Links", but none of the words seemed to satisfy this CAPTCHA daemon!
    https://www.ultimatebootcd.com/resources.html

    Last word of the first category is "only", or maybe "Virtualizers" if they are referring to the category name.

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  • PStechPaul
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    There are two options on startup. F2 enters BIOS setup, and F12 allows a temporary selection of CDROM or USB device for initial boot. I have the CDROM as #1 in boot order in BIOS. If I disable the HDD from the list of boot devices, and exit setup, it immediately shows "no boot devices" and puts me back in setup. I found a thread by someone having a similar problem but on a desktop:

    https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/6...from-cd-drive/

    I am trying again to burn a boot CD with UBCD538. I may have just copied the files rather than the entire ISO image. I also found out that apparently the Win95 install disc is NOT a boot disc.

    [edit] Hooray! I was able to boot the Ultimate Boot CD V5.3.8!

    The way to burn a CD with an ISO disc image is to right-click on the ISO file and choose Burn Disc Image.
    Last edited by PStechPaul; 05-20-2020, 12:13 AM.

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  • J Tiers
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    Normally, you SPECIFY the boot order in the BIOS. You should be able to specify that if you find the right BIOS entry. I am 99.99% certain the D600 has that option.

    Have you found that BIOS selection? If you do, see what sources are selected. You should be able to select a boot order including as many of those as you wish.

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  • PStechPaul
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    It seems that the BIOS does not recognize the CD/DVD drive OR the USB device as bootable media. I found this by using the setup menu and disabling the HDD but making sure the CD/DVD/CD-RW Drive and the USB Storage Device were enabled. Upon save and exit it reported no bootable devices. I have searched for similar issues but this was not among the working suggestions and fixes. I found a download for the latest BIOS for the D600, but it is also A16, which is what is installed. And when I tried to run the BIOS update it reported that it was older than what is already installed.

    The HDD did have four folders which seemed out of place, and perhaps they were recovered when I may have done a chkdsk/f sometime ago.

    One of them (448df45fca4efdbd34cfbaa806) appears to be files for internet explorer,

    490aa17d9aabf408125a has folders for:
    i386 and amd64

    and two folders (c8b4387a2dba693485 and c90f9875c5ad544a1a00) have files for
    wgasetup.exe
    Last edited by PStechPaul; 05-19-2020, 09:50 PM.

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  • PStechPaul
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    I was able to get the disc image on the USB thumb drive, and then I wanted to use a bootable media (WinPE - pre-installation environment) to perform disk diagnostics and formatting. I found several but they required purchase. Then I found a list of five best free bootable ISOs, and I selected the first (most recommended) Ultimate Boot CD, and I created the CD.

    When I restarted the XP machine, with CD Drive for boot, the drive rattled a bit like it was reading, but then Win XP started up and ran OK (this time). I found the CD drive D: but when I used Explorer to open it, Internet Explorer was invoked and it tried to access "http://www.ultimatebootcd.com", which of course failed because I don't have an internet connection on that machine. The disk has an autorun.inf file which includes ShellExecute=http://www.ultimatebootcd.com, and icon=ubcb\ubcd.ico.

    As a "sanity check" I tried again, this time with a Windows 95 CD that I have used on other computers to install that OS. But once again it just started up WinXP.

    So it appears that the BIOS is not behaving properly. The CD/DVD drive seems to be OK. When I click on the Win95 CD it opens the main menu, so the drive reads OK. Perhaps the BIOS does not have the needed drivers for the CDROM drive?

    So I decided to ask a question about the Ultimate Boot CD on their forum: https://www.ultimatebootcd.com/forums/index.php, and of course I need to register before posting. So I enter my username, a password, and my email address. But it has one more challenge:

    What is the last word of the first category on the "Useful Links" page?:
    This question is a means of preventing automated form submissions by spambots.
    But there is no "Useful Links" page. The nearest I found was "Resources&Links", but none of the words seemed to satisfy this CAPTCHA daemon!

    All this just to try to rejuvenate an old wonky laptop.

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  • PStechPaul
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    I do like the fact that this machine has a parallel port, serial port, and video port. Also two USB, a modem port, a DIN video (or maybe mouse) port and Ethernet. And a PCMCIA slot. Today I copied the DriveImage XML software to a thumb drive, but I got an error "Drive not accessible due to I/O device error". However, eventually it came up as a valid disc drive, and I was able to install the program on my XP machine. Now I am creating the backup drive image on the thumb drive.

    Hopefully the I/O error was due to the wonky HDD. But I suspect it may be something else, especially since the drive seemed to pass a scan when I had it connected to my Win10 machine. At least I will have a copy of XP Pro that I could load onto another computer if I find that the problem is actually on the mobo. Perhaps I can look at the error log to get a clue?


    Thanks. This software looks pretty good.

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  • J Tiers
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    Originally posted by Glug View Post

    That there's some serious Old iron disease.
    Yeah. I have one of them somewhere also. They just refuse to die. They also have connectors on the back for nearly everything you could get or might need at the time they were made. That can be good.

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  • Glug
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    Originally posted by PStechPaul View Post
    Right now I have a Dell D600 laptop which has a 30 GB HDD and Windows XP Pro.
    That there's some serious Old iron disease.

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  • wmgeorge
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    Switch over to Windows 7, I run most of my shop CNC on it.

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  • pinstripe
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    Your license key is most likely an OEM key. It's a cheaper version of Windows that is only sold to system builders. The system builder is responsible for support in exchange for the much lower price. An OEM key won't work with a retail installation CD. A hard disk that comes with Windows preinstalled is most likely a cracked copy, so it probably won't need a key. But generally speaking, Microsoft retail products won't accept an OEM key. You can probably buy OEM media on ebay (risk of viruses and all that). OEM media will say that the disk is only for distribution with a new PC.

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