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  • Do guys out there use "quick change tool holding"on your vertical mills/drills ect?

    I recently posted a YT video using a Bridgeport quick change set up. I also have a video using a Nikken {now Lyndex} quick change collet system video on the subject.

    I wanted to show what I used for years as a toolroom machinist in the 1980's-90's that many Home shop may not be aware of these work.time savers. They are hard to find, but can be had at auctions or ebay.
    Last edited by Fonzy4140; 05-23-2020, 01:11 PM.
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    Quick Change Nikken video...
     
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    • #3
      Pneumatic power drawbar on my BP J head w/R8 spindle. Quick enough for me.

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      • #4
        i have a quick change system with mt adapters. i never use it.

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        • #5
          Thanks to those who replied. Have a great Memorial Day WE!
          Last edited by Fonzy4140; 05-23-2020, 01:19 PM.
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          • #6
            Following, looks like good information
            Ed
            Agua Dulce, So.California
            1950 F1 street rod
            1949 F1 stock V8 flathead
            1948 F6 350 chevy/rest stock, no dump bed
            1953 chevy 3100 AD for 85 S10 frame have a 4BT cummins motor, NV4500
            1968 Baha Bug with 2.2 ecotec motor, king coil-overs,P/S

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            • #7
              I used a shopmade MT 2 quickchange with a R 8 adaptor. , a lot on a certain product I designed and produced.
              4 holes for 10-24 bolts in the side of a cylindrical object. About 4 operations on each hole.
              mount one tool like center drill to start the hole, remember going into side of 1.5 in round bar. Do all 4 holes.
              switch to clearance drill, change spedd, drill to specific depth, do all 4 holes.
              switch to tap drill size, do all 4 holes.
              switch to 4 flute end mill, change speed, do all 4 holes.
              Now it's ready for slitting, and tapping the 4 holes...... it worked quite well , I will try to get pics of the shop made setup soon , and the product.
              right now these are being made by a buddy with a CNC and I dont think he saved that much time if it, but he has no auto too change, and a third or 1/2 the job is lathework.
              there is no doubt, quick change can earn its keep on certain jobs..
              Last edited by 754; 05-23-2020, 06:32 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 754 View Post
                I used a shopmade MT 2 quickchange, a lot on a certain product I designed and produced.
                4 holes for 10-24 bolts in the side of a cylindrical object. About 4 operations on each hole.
                mount one tool like center drill to start the hole, remember going into side of 1.5 in round bar. Do all 4 holes.
                switch to clearance drill, change spedd, drill to specific depth, do all 4 holes.
                switch to tap drill size, do all 4 holes.
                switch to 4 flute end mill, change speed, do all 4 holes.
                Now it's ready for slitting, and tapping the 4 holes...... it worked quite well , I will try to get pics of the shop made setup soon , and the product.
                right now these are being made by a buddy with a CNC and I dont think he saved that much time if it, but he has no auto too change, and a third or 1/2 the job is lathework.
                there is no doubt, quick change can earn its keep on certain jobs..
                Exactly, I started as a mill and lathe hand machinist trainee in 1973, and until mid 1980s , as a tool room machinist never saw an R8 quick change till the company bought each of us in the tool room a Falcon QC set [very big $ at the time] and it was a welcome change for all operations of the BP mill.
                1969 Logan model 1875 "powermatic" 10" Lathe 1996 HF 2 HP Mill/Drill & all the tooling,tools, saws, Stick/TIG welders Oxy Acet weld cut braze equip https://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/co...lies/smile.pnghttps://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/co...es/biggrin.png

                SEE MY Home Shop Videos http://www.youtube.com/user/AWDJR

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                • #9
                  I have a BP with a Universal Kwik Change spindle. The various tooling pieces for it are quite expensive.
                  If it wasn't already installed when I bought it I would be a lot happier, the problem is I would have to change the spindle to go back to R8.
                  I have a BP clone with a R8 spindle and a power draw bar and I use it most of the time!!!

                  THANX RICJH
                  People say I'm getting crankier as I get older. That's not it. I just find I enjoy annoying people a lot more now. Especially younger people!!!

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                  • #10
                    I am 5' 8" with my boots on and my Bridgeport has a 4" riser. I have incorporated tool changes into my stretching routine. Looks a fun project to build a power draw bar.
                    Tom - Spotsylvania, VA

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                    • #11
                      I added I had an R8 adaptor, there was about 16 to 20 pieces that fit inthe quickchange, press a lever to loosen holder . It was made by a machinist at a distillery on company time as I understood it..so Government tools.
                      curious it did not use a taper, I thought it would be an issue boring into the side of the 1.5 inch aluminum round about .190 in from side. But the center drill to most of the diameter about .tem and endmillimg around that went pretty good.. 4 operations per hole, 4 holes.
                      prior to common and widespread CNC use, these on mills and the use of turret lathes is how a large chunk of work got done.,

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                      • #12
                        My vertical mill has a 30 taper spindle. So yep, pretty quick change.

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                        • #13
                          All I saw was click bait. I watched the video of a fly cutter for what seemed like an hour. Didn't stick around for any quick change anything. I have a R8 spindle and use keyless chucks for most drilling. That's quick change enough for me. I use an extended draw bar I like very much so I don't think the butterfly impact gizmo will work for me.

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                          • #14
                            CCWKen, No click bait on my "non monitized" YT channel, I'm retired, and only have 172 subscribers in 12 years on YT lol. Sorry you did not stick around to see the rest of the video, my point was in there. I agree with you on the lame milling of the pin, it was 4340 and toughened up some from welding into the plate, I was in no hurry, but should of edited it out, Thanks, seems like most like the modified drawbar set ups in home shops.
                            Last edited by Fonzy4140; 05-24-2020, 11:35 AM.
                            1969 Logan model 1875 "powermatic" 10" Lathe 1996 HF 2 HP Mill/Drill & all the tooling,tools, saws, Stick/TIG welders Oxy Acet weld cut braze equip https://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/co...lies/smile.pnghttps://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/co...es/biggrin.png

                            SEE MY Home Shop Videos http://www.youtube.com/user/AWDJR

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                            • #15
                              For me a major goal is keeping the tool overhang low for better rigidity. So I'm using R8 collets with the various tooling held directly in the collets. I don't like the idea that any sort of quick change setup would require me to extend the cutters further than needed.

                              My feeling is that if I have to reach for a wrench or other tool as part of any sort of quick change setup then it may as well be the drawbar wrench... which hangs from the overhead about 8 inches from the drawbar's end. For me the R8's are the quick change.

                              Fonzy, I gotta admit though that it sure is a quick change. At 11:49 into the video the drill chuck appears like magic! Now that's not just "quick" ! ! ! I'd call that "Quantum Event Change" ! ! ! 🤣

                              I'm not sure how reasonable in cost it would be if I had something like that since I'd need about 2 dozen of those special holders to cover off my different end mill and other cutter selection. That's a LOT of those special holders. And I don't imagine that they are all that cheap or easy to find.

                              Last edited by BCRider; 05-24-2020, 01:35 PM.
                              Chilliwack BC, Canada

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