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    If CL imposed a small fee, say 50 cents, to list an item and each time it is renewed, we would see a sharp decline in the number of unrealistically priced items that bloat the listings and confuse the marketplace. Back in the day when you had to pay big bucks to take out a classified ad in the newspaper, you really sharpened the pencil on your price, knowing that if you ask too much you'll just have to pay for another week.

    Because of free listing, prices on many things (bench vises are a good example) keep floating upwards. If you look on Seattle's CL, you can see dozens of bench vises with new paint jobs with asking prices over $300. Ten years ago such vises went for $30 to $50.

    metalmagpie

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    The other problem is the scammers replying to an add.
    I don't use craigslist anymore, been replaced with Facebook Market Place. Also, NextDoor I can sell stuff to my neighbors by simply mentioning I have things to get rid of.

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    • #3
      You could play the system. List items at sensible prices and when buyers call tell them it has already gone. You would establish a precedent for a sensible price and piss off all the traders who normally pounce on the cheap stuff and relist it on ebay.

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      • #4
        Bring back the personals section where the hookers place their ads.
        Some are pretty hilarious and almost as good as a porn site.
        "Looking for a friend for 15 minutes" LOL LOL LOL.

        -D
        DZER

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        • #5
          I think part of that is the times, there is a big movement to rebuild/restore stuff. Also they just aren't making some of this nice stuff anymore (vises, anvils, etc.). Part of why I like cl is because it's free. If the prices are too high, just don't buy it. They will either lower the price or someone will buy it for too much.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RB211 View Post
            The other problem is the scammers replying to an add.
            I don't use craigslist anymore, been replaced with Facebook Market Place. Also, NextDoor I can sell stuff to my neighbors by simply mentioning I have things to get rid of.
            I have gotten a lot of equipment etc from Craigslist ads. And sold things as well.

            There are always the jerks, but just blow them off. Listed a very nice blacksmith vise for $100. Not a bad price at all. Got one guy who responded and just said "I pay $25 for those, you won't get a better deal". I just ignored him, never even replied, and sold the thing for full pop 2 days or so later. No issues with "no-shows", no folks who show up and try to bargain down to a giveaway price, went well.

            Same with other sales. I DID refuse to sell to one guy, but that was not because he was a jerk, it was because he said what he wanted to use it for, and the thing was not up to the job, which I told him.

            My worst issue on CL is the "seller scammers". Folks who agree to me showing up at a particular time that same day (as-in :i can be there in 40 minutes), and when I get there, I see the item being loaded-out. They have my cell #, but no call ever. No mention that there is a guy ahead of me. Just "tough **** he was first with the money".

            Flip that for a game-o-marbles, if I wanted to be in a race, I would have entered and got a number. Is it the seller's right to sell to whoever? Sure it is. It's his right to be a flaming asshat, too, and he took full advantage of that right.

            If I set up a time with someone, anyone who calls later than that guy called, gets in line. I don't enjoy driving 50 miles to see the item being lifted into a truck, and I will not put anyone else to that trouble.
            Last edited by J Tiers; 09-12-2020, 11:38 AM.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by metalmagpie View Post
              If CL imposed a small fee, say 50 cents, to list an item and each time it is renewed, we would see a sharp decline in the number of unrealistically priced items that bloat the listings and confuse the marketplace. Back in the day when you had to pay big bucks to take out a classified ad in the newspaper, you really sharpened the pencil on your price, knowing that if you ask too much you'll just have to pay for another week.

              Because of free listing, prices on many things (bench vises are a good example) keep floating upwards. If you look on Seattle's CL, you can see dozens of bench vises with new paint jobs with asking prices over $300. Ten years ago such vises went for $30 to $50.

              metalmagpie
              Vises and anvils have become 'collector' items along with various other tools with the advent of You Tube. I know several people that pay big dollars just to have these items decorating their man cave or house. They are neither machinists or mechanics or work on anything for that matter, its just man jewelry along with all these idiotic novelty tools you see everywhere today. My neighbor paid $500 for a welding table at the local antique dealer several years back, had to have trucking company and four men deliver and unload it. Its never been used especially since he doesn't know how to weld or have a welder and still sits in his garage covered in clutter. This is the guy that couldn't even light his own water heater

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              • #8
                start over. POS software that looks and feels like some kid in is basement wrote it when the internet was just starting. For all I know that may true lol. There is room for a really great program (kijiji has gone downhill) in the space

                I don't like the fee idea. All my stuff eventually sells so I'd argue it is reasonably priced, but even in a big market like TO it can take months before someone comes along who wants that specific thing.
                Last edited by Mcgyver; 09-12-2020, 02:38 PM.
                in Toronto Ontario - where are you?

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                • #9
                  I have found the CL user interface rather klunky and slow, for selling items. It may be well worth the effort for larger items that sell for $50 or more, but for smaller stuff it is very inefficient. However, overall it has many advantages. It could just do with better software. And charging a nominal fee may help. I have long thought that charging a penny for every email sent would go a long way toward reducing spam.

                  The FB marketplace is a bit easier, but they have weird policies that flag certain items for stupid "reasons". I posted, for a friend, a commemorative "coin", and it was rejected because they "don't allow sales of currency". And another was for a Tiffany silver necklace, and they complained that it was counterfeit or misleading.

                  The "next door" site seemed pretty easy to use, but it's a hodge-podge of all sorts of posts, and "for sale" items quickly get buried. And some people complained about "commercial" posts for products and services, which may be against their TOS.
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                  • #10
                    CL is not likely to ever get a makeover. As it is, it brings in hundreds of millions of dollars every year and employs all of maybe 50 people. It is in the top 20 or 30 websites in the US and just keeps rolling along and has made its founder a billionaire. I see all the same shortcomings mentioned here, but there is very little motivation to do anything different.

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                    • #11
                      Charging a fee might help, they do for some things.

                      But, if they charged a fee I would not use it. No, not a cheap barsteward, I just have no practical means to pay small fees. A CC? not hardly, for 50 cents or a buck. If you do not have PayPain, there isn't a good way.

                      It would be easier to pay a 5 buck fee than a 50 cent fee.
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                      • #12
                        So, wouldn't charging a fee just drive people to other now more popular venues where there is no fee.... like Facebook Marketplace or any of millions of local exchange groups on Facebook.
                        *** I always wanted a welding stinger that looked like the north end of a south bound chicken. Often my welds look like somebody pointed the wrong end of a chicken at the joint and squeezed until something came out. Might as well look the part.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Doozer View Post
                          Bring back the personals section where the hookers place their ads.
                          Some are pretty hilarious and almost as good as a porn site.
                          "Looking for a friend for 15 minutes" LOL LOL LOL.

                          -D
                          Those sections are still there, you have to look around a bit to find them...
                          and yeah it's hilarious sometimes, especially when you get some freaks
                          looking for something weird

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by alanganes View Post
                            CL is not likely to ever get a makeover. As it is, it brings in hundreds of millions of dollars every year and employs all of maybe 50 people. It is in the top 20 or 30 websites in the US and just keeps rolling along and has made its founder a billionaire. I see all the same shortcomings mentioned here, but there is very little motivation to do anything different.
                            you are probably right, until someone eats their lunch. Ebay owns kijiji which is 10x better (although has its annoyances); if its that lucrative they or someone else will start promoting alternatives. The guy had a good idea at the right time and has a lot more zeros than I do, but what a lousy businessman and way to run a business. Like a row boat on a river, if you're not always striving to move forward, someone else is and they'll go by you as the current carries you downstream..... until you disappear from view
                            Last edited by Mcgyver; 09-12-2020, 05:06 PM.
                            in Toronto Ontario - where are you?

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                            • #15
                              With all the yuppies buying up vises, and even Abom79 recently showing a ridiculous fetish towards vises, it's the one tool most sorely missing in my shop. All the boomers are also buying up all the old balsa model airplane kits, driving the prices sky high. Before that, it was post war Lionel toy trains. Lionel trains are worth garbage once again, and as soon as all these silly people stop buying balsa r/c airplane kits and vises, I'll go look for one.

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