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  • loose nut
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    Originally posted by J Tiers View Post

    DUDE.....
    Sorry typo.............or was it a Freudian slip.HHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • elf
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    Originally posted by Sparky_NY View Post

    The no longer supporting toolchangers is a equally interesting change. The gcode produced has nothing to do with if you have a toolchanger or not. M6T2 for example is a toolchange to tool #2 manual or automatic. The gcode is the same for either a manual toolchange or a autotmatic toolchanger. IF the M6 command is being removed then the controllers won't stop/pause for a toolchange and just keep on executing the code, WITH THE WRONG TOOL ! Again, no detail on the specifics of this change. Time will tell.
    I believe you'll need to create individual files for each tool in the order they're used.

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  • Sparky_NY
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    Originally posted by RB211 View Post
    Rapids are being pulled. A year ago they removed the ability to convert other commercial file formats, like Solidworks, that is when I became a subscriber.
    A side note, my "life time" subscription is listed under "Legacy Fusion360". What the heck are they referring to as "Legacy"? Think we all know the answer to that question!
    The rapids being pulled brings up a LOT of questions going forward. Lars Christensen in his video said you could just manually edit some the G1 lines to G0's to work around this, yea right !, fusion typically produces several thousand lines of code, good luck doing a manual hunt-n-seek to edit in the missing rapids manually !!

    So rapids are going to be gone, replaced with G1 moves. That raises a LOT of questions ! G1 moves at what feedrate??????? The modal feedrate from the prior G1 move? If you were 3d profiling at 1ipm with a tiny endmill the missing rapids would be replaced with a 1ipm "rapid: move?????? That would take a toolpath that normally would be say a hour and make it 8 hours ! OR.... will the G1's replacing the rapids be a machine max feedrate ? No talk of any of these MAJOR details !! Makes a HUGE difference in how useful the program becomes.

    I have been watching for more details on pulling the rapids and just how the replacement G1 moves will function but have not seen a bit of info yet. We will surely hear once the changes go live and the feedback begins.

    The no longer supporting toolchangers is a equally interesting change. The gcode produced has nothing to do with if you have a toolchanger or not. M6T2 for example is a toolchange to tool #2 manual or automatic. The gcode is the same for either a manual toolchange or a autotmatic toolchanger. IF the M6 command is being removed then the controllers won't stop/pause for a toolchange and just keep on executing the code, WITH THE WRONG TOOL ! Again, no detail on the specifics of this change. Time will tell.
    Last edited by Sparky_NY; 10-01-2020, 08:28 PM.

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  • J Tiers
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    Originally posted by pinstripe View Post
    WELL, even LESS interest in dealing with Autodesk again.

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  • J Tiers
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    Originally posted by Black Forest View Post

    You don't have a clue about what you are talking about. Cam is not being pulled. And you can export files not just drawings. I have read the whole thread before I called you on your misinformation. I was referring to not going through the thread again to pull your false statements. Getting your information from a YouTube video is exactly making my point of your lack of qualification to make comments on the usability of Fusion. And this video is not the official video of Autodesk. As to singling you out, no, it is just you making false statements. No hate involved. It doesn't take much energy to point out your mistakes. You make it easy.
    Yep, more hating and whining...... you did not even read the posts.....

    Onto ignore you go, permanently.
    Last edited by J Tiers; 10-01-2020, 07:57 PM.

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  • RB211
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    Rapids are being pulled. A year ago they removed the ability to convert other commercial file formats, like Solidworks, that is when I became a subscriber.
    A side note, my "life time" subscription is listed under "Legacy Fusion360". What the heck are they referring to as "Legacy"? Think we all know the answer to that question!

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  • Black Forest
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    Originally posted by J Tiers View Post

    Well since you did not read the whole thing, you would not know that you quoted essentially the only direct comment on fusion I made, which is simply a reaction to the linked video. That video said that there would be no more exporting of any universal format from the free version, and, if I can separate the comments of others from the video, the CAM and other useful things will be pulled as well.

    So with 10 active models or drawings at one time, as the video stated (the FIRST video, not the later one) and no export, only printing, it does seem as if there is "essentially a demo version remaining". Maybe they have walked some of that back, I do not care, am not interested, and will not bother to find out.

    The video may have been wrong, but using fusion would not tell you that any better than never having used it would. You had no more "inside info" at that time than contained in the video, so do not act so superior.

    You can just keep your crappy comments to yourself. If you were not sipping schnapps when writing that (which I can forgive), then you have no excuse for it whatsoever, you did it knowing you were wrong and being silly. (Again I am taking a charitable view)

    So again, I have suggested alternatives that do not have the limitations, what positive input to this thread have you provided? You seem to be limited to calling people names and singling me out for your hate. Have you done anything here that is not just trying to tear people down?

    See yah, would not want to be yah. I'm DONE with you.
    You don't have a clue about what you are talking about. Cam is not being pulled. And you can export files not just drawings. I have read the whole thread before I called you on your misinformation. I was referring to not going through the thread again to pull your false statements. Getting your information from a YouTube video is exactly making my point of your lack of qualification to make comments on the usability of Fusion. And this video is not the official video of Autodesk. As to singling you out, no, it is just you making false statements. No hate involved. It doesn't take much energy to point out your mistakes. You make it easy.

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  • pinstripe
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    Originally posted by J Tiers View Post
    I could do the "start-up" license legitimately, since I get paid for some CAD work. (it pays for shop stuff).
    Maybe not. From https://www.autodesk.com.au/products...n-360/startups

    Businesses must design or manufacture their own physical products and be willing to share their story with the Fusion 360 community.

    Service providers, resellers, contract manufacturers and consultants doing work for other companies do not qualify for Fusion 360 for startups.

    Don’t qualify for startup use? Get a commercial or personal subscription to Fusion 360.

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  • J Tiers
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    Originally posted by Sparky_NY View Post

    Jerry, the cam remains, only 4&5 axis toolpaths going. It still will export several file formats, only a few are being removed, step files for example will remain. It will still be quite useful for many, just not all.
    OK, that is not the impression that the original video gave me. Thanks for the better information.

    Yes, with the CAM, and STEP file export/import it is OK. When it appeared that there was nothing coming out except printed drawings, I was questioning even hobby use. Few true hobby folks are likely to have the capability to use 5 axis machining, although I expect there are some here who can.

    I am still happy to pay for an unlimited use of a CAD program, myself, even if not quite as full-featured. I had investigated and considered using Fusion, but decided there was too much exposure to risks, too many ways for the result to go bad eventually (not my first contact with Autodesk).

    I still may look at it after the dust settles, there are some features that interest me, and I could do the "start-up" license legitimately, since I get paid for some CAD work. (it pays for shop stuff).

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  • Sparky_NY
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    Originally posted by J Tiers View Post

    Well since you did not read the whole thing, you would not know that you quoted essentially the only direct comment on fusion I made, which is simply a reaction to the linked video. That video said that there would be no more exporting of any universal format from the free version, and, if I can separate the comments of others from the video, the CAM and other useful things will be pulled as well.

    So with 10 active models or drawings at one time, as the video stated (the FIRST video, not the later one) and no export, only printing, it does seem as if there is "essentially a demo version remaining". Maybe they have walked some of that back, I do not care, am not interested, and will not bother to find out.

    The video may have been wrong, but using fusion would not tell you that any better than never having used it would. You had no more "inside info" at that time than contained in the video, so do not act so superior.

    You can just keep your crappy comments to yourself. If you were not sipping schnapps when writing that (which I can forgive), then you have no excuse for it whatsoever, you did it knowing you were wrong and being silly. (Again I am taking a charitable view)

    So again, I have suggested alternatives that do not have the limitations, what positive input to this thread have you provided? You seem to be limited to calling people names and singling me out for your hate. Have you done anything here that is not just trying to tear people down?

    See yah, would not want to be yah. I'm DONE with you.
    Jerry, the cam remains, only 4&5 axis toolpaths going. It still will export several file formats, only a few are being removed, step files for example will remain. It will still be quite useful for many, just not all.

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  • J Tiers
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    Originally posted by Black Forest View Post


    Totally wrong but of course you wouldn't know that because you have no clue about Fusion 360. I am not going to go through the whole thread and quote all of your misinformation.
    Well since you did not read the whole thing, you would not know that you quoted essentially the only direct comment on fusion I made, which is simply a reaction to the linked video. That video said that there would be no more exporting of any universal format from the free version, and, if I can separate the comments of others from the video, the CAM and other useful things will be pulled as well.

    So with 10 active models or drawings at one time, as the video stated (the FIRST video, not the later one) and no export, only printing, it does seem as if there is "essentially a demo version remaining". Maybe they have walked some of that back, I do not care, am not interested, and will not bother to find out.

    The video may have been wrong, but using fusion would not tell you that any better than never having used it would. You had no more "inside info" at that time than contained in the video, so do not act so superior.

    You can just keep your crappy comments to yourself. If you were not sipping schnapps when writing that (which I can forgive), then you have no excuse for it whatsoever, you did it knowing you were wrong and being silly. (Again I am taking a charitable view)

    So again, I have suggested alternatives that do not have the limitations, what positive input to this thread have you provided? You seem to be limited to calling people names and singling me out for your hate. Have you done anything here that is not just trying to tear people down?

    See yah, would not want to be yah. I'm DONE with you.

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  • Black Forest
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    Originally posted by J Tiers View Post

    DUDE.....

    Since you obviously have not even read the thread you are complaining about, and made no sense at all, let me clue you in on what you missed.

    First, I agree with your comment on folks basically whining... the program is free, and anyone could have seen this coming. Many of us said it WOULD come, and not to get used to the free program. I paid for what I use, and I pay for maintenance.

    You are very wrong in your assumptions.....I actually have said very little directly about Fusion. I have mostly talked about alternatives to it, and discussed some basic business issues, so when you write of me "talking about fusion but not even using it" you are talking bullcrap and nonsense.

    I have said essentially NOTHING about the program. I've speculated about what may happen, or at least what CAN happen when there is a "service" for which nothing is paid.... which is what the free version of Fusion has been and continues to be..... your security with that is based on what you have paid, and since it is "free", that is nothing, so you can expect no consideration to be paid to your convenience and security.

    If you think I am whining about it, you are talking as a donkey. I do not care about it, don't want it, and suggested better things for people to use, things which will be stable and usable into the future because you "own" the license to use the program, and all the code is on your machine.

    What positive input have YOU added to the discussion, aside from essentially calling me (and others) names?

    You saw fit to use me as your example, which I will charitably assume was due to a temporary insanity caused by too much schnapps, but which neither made sense nor had anything to do with reality. That is common for comments made after too much schnapps, so I will overlook it.

    😁
    First off I don't drink any alcohol at all at any time. So once again you are blatantly wrong and making assumptions just like you do with Fusion.
    For instance: "It looks as if the free version is becoming essentially a "free demo version". Much or most of the essential stuff that makes it useful is being pulled."

    Totally wrong but of course you wouldn't know that because you have no clue about Fusion 360. I am not going to go through the whole thread and quote all of your misinformation.

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  • RB211
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    Guess the bottom line is that you either need it or you don't. I've slipped into the rabbit hole of needing it

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  • Sparky_NY
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    Originally posted by RB211 View Post
    Seriously guys, is ~$300 a year too much for top notch parametric 3D CAD, 3, 4 and 5 axis CAM, and Eagle PCB capture? And a commercial license at that? Most of y'all spend more than that on a single order of metal or cutters.
    Short answer, yes its too much. Its not a one time $300, its $300 a year ! In 4 years thats $1200, as much as a lot of hobby users paid for their lathe or mill. I am a hobby user and have not spent $300 in the last 5 years total for cutters or metals. A lot of the people here on the forum are not simply hobby users, many are small commercial users, different situation. If a guy makes even $300 a year with his machines that alone pays for fusion. I and many others don't make a dime with our machines, its strictly a hobby. This is why many look for a low cost or free software.

    To put it another way, for a strictly hobby user the $300 a year is better spent on things like cutters and metal with a limited hobby budget and not making any income from it. There is always people with much more disposable income that can spend large sums on their hobby, such is life. If fusion at $300 a year is acceptable then fine, otherwise some will look for lower cost alternatives. I have no complaints, it was fun while it lasted, recent fusion changes were always expected. I moved on to EAA solidworks which I think I will like even more than fusion BUT I don't expect that deal to last forever either. Its only a hobby.
    Last edited by Sparky_NY; 10-01-2020, 09:22 AM.

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  • DennisCA
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    I used it cause it was free and it had functions I liked, they removed those functions so I am ceasing to use it. I had figured it would be several years yet before they started doing that. Bit premature if you ask me.

    Lets not pretend Autodesk had a single altruistic motive behind giving it for free. They are a corporation, they know what they are doing and I was expecting it. I don't really care, I knew why they gave it away for free, to create market dominance in the long run.

    Let's also not pretend that we as customers have to thank Autodesk for giving us a free program, we're only in it for ourselves, to get as much as we possible can for free and when that stops we're outta here. Just like they are only in it for their stock holders. I don't see why that is not acceptable behaviour when it's clearly expected of corporations. This is the world we live in now.

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