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    A lot of people seem to forget that Village Press is in the business of selling magazines, books and other publications. They make their income from the sales of these publications and the advertising in them.

    This bulletin board is a free service for their readers, and as a matter of fact possibly actually takes away some business from them.

    I for one am very appreciative of the forum, and the work involved in keeping it up and running. That the task is thankless can be no better illustrated by some of the responses to the recent changes. I apologize for the thoughtlessness of some of the members.

    For the most part it is a change for the better. It was accomplished as planned and pretty much on schedule with no major foul ups or loss of information. I am sure a lot of time and effort was expended to pull it off.

    As with any change, there will be tuning involved to get it into final shape, but it is functional as it is, and we can all enjoy the benefits while these changed are made.

    Thanks for a good job on the changeover and for your and your staff's hard work in providing us with this forum. Many of us do appreciate it. Don't let the few complainers discourage you.
    Jim H.

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    I second that!

    Allen

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    • #3
      I totally agree JC. Some of the guys complained and said that the old system sucked, now some are saying this one sucks before they even try to learn it. Just try it for a while and check out some of the new features the old one was missing and I think you will grow to like it. I think it looks fine and will be great after everyone gets used to it.
      Jonathan P.

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      • #4
        Jim.....

        You make it sound as though people should actually "APPRECIATE" when an organization (like Village Press &/or HSM) does something like providing a "FREE" forum for (relatively) like-minded individuals to exchange ideas and shoot-the-s--t.

        Well..........that might be fine for people on civilized worlds, but it "ain't gonna happen" on this planet. We've got "way too many whiners and opinionated individuals" (a lot of them on this board) to allow that to occur.

        I think I'll just sulk and throw a tantrum until Neil admits that he's part of a global conspiracy intent on destroying our selfish and unreasonable desires to have our own way........

        Shame.....Jim.........shame............LOL

        BTW..........in case "some" can't figure this out.......I'M BEING FACETIOUS.........

        Looks okay from this "old fart's" view, Neil...........Regards.....RPease
        RPease

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        • #5
          I would agree that Neil and the crew deserve congratulations for the update....but many of the issues being raised are valid ones.

          While it is true that this BBS is "free", one also needs to recognize that it is available to serve as a catalyst to sell even more books and magazines.

          When your customers are unhappy, sales will not be increased. Hopefully the people responsible for this BBS will acknowledge this and do what they can to service the issues being addressed.

          For me, the #1 issue is SPEED...when you waste my time with slow loading, execessive graphics, "fluff" features that do not help convey the information on this board, etc....then you have me as a dissatisfied customer. Hopefully HSM will do what they can to address this problem...a problem that will affect ALL dialup users.

          Thanks again for the support given so far and I look forward to better (and faster) times in the future.

          TMT

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          • #6
            So what method is neil going to use to remove those pretty deep kiss marks on his ass?
            Im affraid he may have to build up the indentation with a mig bead and grind it flush.

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            • #7
              JCHannum, I beg to differ.

              I'm not naive enough to say it "is a free service for their readers." The forum feature of this website is a service supported by our purchases from Village Press. It is paid for by their readers. It is only free for the rest. It draws people to the website where things are sold. I assume that (maybe somewhat indirectly) it's intended to help make money for VP.

              Personally, I don't like this new format. I did like the previous format much better.

              The old forum software was also free (in the same sense) to us so why the change?

              Unless this one is somehow cheaper for VP to maintain or draws in more magazine subscriptions or other sales I don't see the purpose of switching to this forum software.

              Yes, I appreciate the website and the efforts of Neil and Village Press but that doesn't mean I have to like the new forum software as much as the old software. All of us are entitled to an opinion. And as long as I'm helping to support this website and VP by buying subscriptions to two of their magazines and occasionally buying a book I feel I have a right to let them know when I don't like a change that they have made.

              -Dan
              Last edited by pgmrdan; 03-24-2006, 11:52 PM.

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              • #8
                I was one of the first to complain. I still have the same gripes. It can still be a good bulletin board with a few adjustments.

                It is one of my favorites and I will stay as long as there is good participation and not too much wasted bandwidth. Some say the change went as planned. How do you know? Neil hinted that a change might be coming. A few days later the board went down with no warning as I hit the back key to return to the general board. Evan's post the next afternoon on PM said it was back, but my old link did not work. The new link was posted a little later. When I came back to it there were no explanations or instructions on how to use the features. Some apparently can figure out part of the problems offer a little help, but the biggest problem is still the display width that only an administrator can fix.
                North Central Arkansas

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by pgmrdan
                  I'm not naive enough to say it "is a free service for their readers." The forum feature of this website is a service supported by our purchases from Village Press. It is paid for by their readers.
                  Yep, I pay for some of it myself.

                  But quite a number of the more "vocal" members here do NOT subscribe..... at least according to their own statements.


                  Personally, I don't like this new format. I did like the previous format much better.
                  agree, although I think the right adjustments would make this bloatware work reasonably well in spite of itself.


                  The old forum software was also free (in the same sense) to us so why the change?
                  Because this works with advertisements, or have you not noticed them yet?

                  Yes, I appreciate the website and the efforts of Neil and Village Press but that doesn't mean I have to like the new forum software as much as the old software. All of us are entitled to an opinion. And as long as I'm helping to support this website and VP by buying subscriptions to two of their magazines and occasionally buying a book I feel I have a right to let them know when I don't like a change that they have made.

                  -Dan
                  Yep, agree.

                  I don't grudge them the ads. After all now the non-subscribers have to look at them just like us subscribers (who at least partially fund this site) do.
                  1601

                  Keep eye on ball.
                  Hashim Khan

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                  • #10
                    BillH might learn the meaning of gratitude at some point in his life, and then the simple act of thanking someone and complimenting him for a job well done will have some meaning.

                    This understanding comes after being kicked in the teeth after busting your chops to get some thankless job completed. Employment and marriage are a couple of places where it can be gained.

                    As far as the forum being free, it does not cost me or anyone else a thing. That is free.

                    The PM site recently tied in with American Machinist magazine. The purpose is to continue to support it. Prior to that, some members were contributing to help keep it going. It will have more advertising, as this one may also have, but it will still require nothing out of pocket to enjoy the benefits. That is free.

                    Neil quite clearly stated the forum was going down on 3/23 for upgrades. It was down for a day and a half. That is not too long for a change like this to be accomplished. PM went through similar problems when making changes a couple of weeks ago. They have yet to get everything back.

                    I am sure we are seeing a patch put up to carry through the weekend, and provide us with the board while other fixes are implemented. The attitude of a few is surprising, and disappointing, rather than being thankful for the efforts expended to get us to this point, we are hearing nothing but whining.

                    I wonder if all their projects are perfect the first time, or if they have never broken a tap.
                    Jim H.

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                    • #11
                      I think Neil deserves a salute for trying to meet us in middle. Over the years many have complained about the site and have had ideas to change it into other boards with 15,000 different catagories etc.
                      I really don't see the big deal.
                      People ranting and leaving the board over THIS!
                      I'm actually suprised at the reaction of some.
                      I'm sure Neil will do his best to rectify the problems.
                      BTW..I'm one who doesn't subscribe. I'd buy the magazines in a heartbeat but nobody here will bring them in and the mailorder magazines seldom make it this far or if they do they are months late as every postal worker in the system reads them
                      Russ
                      I have tools I don't even know I own...

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                      • #12
                        I get the magazines at the newstands, I used to have to "hunt" then down, but the last few years they have went "mainstream". My collection is by no means complete. Village Press is a publishing company, I think they print for other people, not just the the HSM, MW(PIM), and Live Steam. I have always thought that this web site was about 15, on their 1 to 10 list of things to do at the office today. I think the "upgrade" involved more than just the software, like a complete "redo/update" of their computer system. I think Neil and VP are doing the best that they are able, and will continue to "fine tune" the upgrade. Basing much of my guessing on having interacted with the people involved at shows, by reading the editorial in the mags, and what little e-mail exchange I previously had with Neil/VP.

                        Patience grasshopper, they don't work on the weekend.
                        Today I will gladly share my experience and advice, for there no sweeter words than "I told you so."

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JCHannum
                          BillH might learn the meaning of gratitude at some point in his life, and then the simple act of thanking someone and complimenting him for a job well done will have some meaning.

                          This understanding comes after being kicked in the teeth after busting your chops to get some thankless job completed. Employment and marriage are a couple of places where it can be gained.

                          As far as the forum being free, it does not cost me or anyone else a thing. That is free.

                          The PM site recently tied in with American Machinist magazine. The purpose is to continue to support it. Prior to that, some members were contributing to help keep it going. It will have more advertising, as this one may also have, but it will still require nothing out of pocket to enjoy the benefits. That is free.

                          Neil quite clearly stated the forum was going down on 3/23 for upgrades. It was down for a day and a half. That is not too long for a change like this to be accomplished. PM went through similar problems when making changes a couple of weeks ago. They have yet to get everything back.

                          I am sure we are seeing a patch put up to carry through the weekend, and provide us with the board while other fixes are implemented. The attitude of a few is surprising, and disappointing, rather than being thankful for the efforts expended to get us to this point, we are hearing nothing but whining.

                          I wonder if all their projects are perfect the first time, or if they have never broken a tap.
                          Thanks Jim, I think that says it all especially the bit about the patch.
                          Until the new board come up how will VP know how it's accepted by many different users, with different browsers on different operating systems ?
                          They have to start somewhere.
                          .

                          Sir John , Earl of Bligeport & Sudspumpwater. MBE [ Motor Bike Engineer ] Nottingham England.



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                          • #14
                            As someone pointed out on another thread: "We also don't need avatars, member ratings or thread ratings."

                            Oh halleluya, thank you. I'm inclined to agree. And please, not crowds of clownish multiple smileys or stacks of repeating reply-with-quote boxes, or witty tag-on signatures...

                            This software we're using has a long list of available options. If we get the whole option package, we get boards that look like this: A nightmare of illegible clutter. (don't bother to read it-- just imagine if our board looked like this for example)

                            http://www.fishingkaki.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14733

                            So really, the folks in charge have chosen a rather reasonable alternative of modern BBS software; this is what they look like nowadays. And I might add that the Chaski board folks were complaining about is also fully modernized and well functional, legible and utilitarian-- far far better than what it used to be.

                            So thank you Neil and VP. Looking forward to some fine-tuning and learning the new board.

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                            • #15
                              That fishing one doesn't seem too bad......

                              Try this one on......

                              http://www.talkbass.com/forum/forumd...php?forumid=15

                              Dig the flashing advert.....

                              I do feel that those of us who pay for this, in part at least, can complain without needing to feel guilty about the "free" deal...........
                              1601

                              Keep eye on ball.
                              Hashim Khan

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