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  • #61
    I'm glad to hear you are safe and things may be settling down a bit.

    I've always wanted to tackle one of the Caselman air rifles as a machining project. There's alot more info on the design and construction available these days. Here's one example;

    http://www.airmachinegun.com/caselman_build.htm

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    • #62
      The Sten gun is easy to build in a machine shop. But it requires ammunition.

      Shop weapons might include heating metal bits and throwing them with a sling shot, trebuchet, etc. You can get quite a long range that way.

      A crossbow is quick and easy to make in a few hours. But it is slow to reload.

      I saw a mytbusters episode where they made a rapid fire projectile launcher using a design similar to the machine used for baseball batting practice. They launched 2x4s by running them under a spinning rubber wheel. The wheel was spun by an AC motor. The projectile was pinched between the platen (or maybe an idler wheel) and the moving wheel. The 2x4s broke plywood at a fair distance. It could fling nuts and bolts too.

      Good luck.
      Dan

      At the end of the project, there is a profound difference between spare parts and left over parts.

      Location: SF East Bay.

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      • #63
        An air rifle does have advantages.

        Here's a little FYI concerning air rifles in South Africa.

        From Wiki: Air gun laws

        South Africa

        "airgun" means any device manufactured to discharge a bullet or any other projectile -

        a) of a calibre of less than 5.6mm (.22 calibre); or b) at a muzzle energy of less than 8 joules (6ft-lbs), by means of compressed gas and not by means of burning propellant;.[26][27][28]

        Airguns that shoot projectiles over 5.6mm (.22) in calibre and shoot at energies greater than 8 joules (6ft-lbs) are classified as firearms in the FCA of 2000 (Firearms Control Act). All classified firearms are required to be licensed in terms of the act.

        An airgun that shoots projectiles under 5.6mm (.22) in calibre has no maximum energy restrictions placed on it in the FCA (Firearms Control Act). Airguns in this category are exempted from licensing in the provisions made in Chapter 3, Section 5 of the FCA (Firearms Control Act)

        Airguns still count as firearms if used in a crime, and can't be fired in public areas. Airguns may be carried on one's person concealed/openly. It is an offense to shoot animals and human beings, except criminals and animals which are attacking you. This is defined in Chapter 16 of the FCA (Firearms Control Act).

        Update 31/12/2020 SAPS put out an internal circular to clarify the law with regards to Airguns and the current Firearm Amnesty. (Circular regarding the understanding when an airgun is considered to be a firearm - Implementation of the Firearms Control Act 2000)[29]
        Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada

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        • #64


          I saw a mytbusters episode where they made a rapid fire projectile launcher using a design similar to the machine used for baseball batting practice. They launched 2x4s by running them under a spinning rubber wheel. The wheel was spun by an AC motor. The projectile was pinched between the platen (or maybe an idler wheel) and the moving wheel. The 2x4s broke plywood at a fair distance. It could fling nuts and bolts too.

          Good luck.
          Dan

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          ^^^^ this is the fastest to make with little to nothing on hand and virtually everything can become a projectile. I don't think with Plunger's current situation he has the time nor headspace for an intricate build such as a gun. Two old tires pinched together and powered by electric or gas engine should make for a fast, formable weapon. The "potato gun' approach might work as well, small rocks wrapped in a cloth might work like a shotgun of sorts....... A spray can and bic lighter in close is something you don't want to mess with either ........ not sure what you have at your disposal, but look around with an open mind, almost everything can be weaponized..... Good luck, and we all have your plight in our thoughts.....
          Don
          If it wasn't done the hard way, I didn't do it.

          Lillooet
          British Columbia
          Canada.

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          • #65
            He's been talking of crowds of looters as large as 3,000 strong, he made the right move by abandoning ship the first time and if need be should do the same thing again, unless he gets some kinda plans for an audio immobilizing system or has barrels of tear gas and masks for him and his family and friends then there's really no holding off a mob like that - save your skin, stuff can be replaced although im so glad to here he got to skate and still has his home,

            building little trinkit's incapable of doing nothing more than pissing off a mob is probably not a very good plan, holding off a few with a serious weapon like a compound bow or something of the like might be worth the risk as long as they don't have heavy firepower,,,

            I think he should lay low - if he has electricity keep the lights off at night - don't show there's life in the area unless all the neighbors are doing the same, anotherwords don't stick out like a sore thumb, that means you have food inside and are comfortable...

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            • #66
              Its a shame that the South African government were slow in deploying the military, rioting looters would think twice if they knew that there would be a faster response.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by old mart View Post
                Its a shame that the South African government were slow in deploying the military, rioting looters would think twice if they knew that there would be a faster response.
                In a perfect world, in fact were all living the life of illusion but make no mistake the writings been on the wall in that neck-O-the woods for all to see for decades if not always... it's a shame so many good people have to go through holy hell... no matter what part of the globe there in...

                One of my first little Q's knowing just how deep Plunger was in was his ladder hold down apparatus he created, and me wondering what all the "hoopla" was about in the engineering of it -- then him setting me straight with the fact that if not held down with tamper proof method you will get your crap lifted at a stop light --- WHILE YOUR IN THE VEHICLE!

                I think IIRC that's when I recommended we all pitch in 10 bucks a piece or some kinda "go fund me" thing to get him the HELL OUTA THERE!!!

                Nobody needs to live like that...
                Last edited by A.K. Boomer; 07-17-2021, 04:20 PM.

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                • #68
                  One of my co-workers is from over there. Told me how crazy dangerous the wildlife is, but by far the most dangerous animal is humans. He’s been caught in the middle of bank robberies, mugged, feared for his life countless times. Said the cost of a bullet is cheaper than bread and if you get caught between a person trying to feed his family, you’ll get shot and killed. The gang lands of Chicago sound many times safer than what he described.

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                  • #69
                    Something like a pressure washer might be a reasonable close range non-lethal deterrent. It might be even more effective if used with bleach, ammonia, or lye, or perhaps even raw sewage from a septic tank. I thought about Black Forest's use of his manure spreader. But hopefully this sad situation will stabilize soon and allow for more long range solutions. Love and equity are more powerful than hate and greed.
                    http://pauleschoen.com/pix/PM08_P76_P54.png
                    Paul , P S Technology, Inc. and MrTibbs
                    USA Maryland 21030

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by PStechPaul View Post
                      Love and equity are more powerful than hate and greed.
                      I will stick with my .357 and assault riffles and let the bad guys sort out the Love and equity!
                      Location: The Black Forest in Germany

                      How to become a millionaire: Start out with 10 million and take up machining as a hobby!

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                      • #71
                        I'm sorry you have to resort to Mad Max style deterrents but I think the flamethrower is best. Tank, insecticide pump, hose, lance with ball valve and a gas torch at the end will make a stream of burning gasoline.
                        Never try this by yourself though, make sure you have someone with a gun with you to discourage crowds consisting of various IQ levels.
                        But you should reconsider moving to somewhere else when things settle down. Australia, UK and Netherlands all have shortages of plumbers.
                        That is just no way to live

                        all the best
                        igor

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by PStechPaul View Post
                          ............Love and equity are more powerful than hate and greed.
                          That is a good thought................. but very debatable. The proponents usually lose during the "debate", that's historical fact.

                          Probably true on average, but averages do not apply well to individual cases.
                          2730

                          Keep eye on ball.
                          Hashim Khan

                          Everything not impossible is compulsory

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                          • #73
                            With a machine shop you can complete a AR 80% lower and the rest could be shipped in piece by piece. But I see pictures of the rioters carrying the "real" thing or am I wrong?
                            Best solution, sell what can be sold and you have skills needed elsewhere in the world.
                            Last edited by wmgeorge; 07-18-2021, 09:50 AM.
                            Retired - Journeyman Refrigeration Pipefitter - Master Electrician - Fine Line Automation CNC 4x4 Router

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                            • #74
                              Those air mortars might be good enough to launch molitove?? cocktails.
                              The shortest distance between two points is a circle of infinite diameter.

                              Bluewater Model Engineering Society at https://sites.google.com/site/bluewatermes/

                              Southwestern Ontario. Canada

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                              • #75
                                Hey Plunger? Did you get yer ass crack out of there or do have any intention of doing so?

                                If not I get it. I would not use or make any weapons though, there are too many there right now. Thats the frenzy that happens during this chit.

                                If you have plans on staying I would bunker down and hole up with what you have.

                                If leaving hire a good escort.

                                JR

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