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  • #31
    Oregon is trying to out do kommifornia in adopting idiotic left wing, socialist, environmentalist ideals and have ruined the state. The latest move is to follow them into the dark with a 100% "green power mandate" We'll soon be shivering in the dark without any power during the winter. Thats why those of us in the southern area what to join Idaho or join a few N. Kommifornia counties and form the State Of Jefferson. My advice is not to move here unless you like the socialist form of gov't.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by tomato coupe View Post

      Not only is this false, California actually offers incentives to capture rainwater (Rainwater Capture Act of 2012).
      Up until 2012, it was illegal. Can you guess what year I left California? Excuse me if California actually did something that made sense in my absence.

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      • #33
        You think?



        Originally posted by Willy View Post
        And to think that this is the sate that wants to ban the sales of gasoline or diesel powered cars in less than 15 years!
        Hell they can't even power up a desktop pc today.
        Paul A.
        SE Texas

        And if you look REAL close at an analog signal,
        You will find that it has discrete steps.

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        • #34
          You have to send it to the power company???

          Just how does that work? I am in the process of buying a generator for my house. It will have a disconnect switch so that it will not be possible for it to back feed the power lines. This is a safety requirement because they do not want any lines that have been damaged by a storm (hurricane) to be live when the power company workers are working on them to restore power.

          So, as far as I know, it will be completely impossible for me to send any power to the power company or to my neighbors unless I drop an extension cord over the fence. In essence, my generator will never be tied to the grid. What state are you in and just how does that tie-in work without endangering the power company workers?



          Originally posted by J Tiers View Post

          You can't use some electricity!

          Actually, you can't, because you surely have a grid-tied system, which means that by law, you cannot use your own generated electricity, you HAVE TO send it to the power company. In a power failure, you have "no juice" same as everyone else.

          I have panels here, but I have no grid tie, so I can do whatever I want with them.
          Last edited by Paul Alciatore; 07-30-2021, 01:55 AM.
          Paul A.
          SE Texas

          And if you look REAL close at an analog signal,
          You will find that it has discrete steps.

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          • #35
            The goffy part is I didnt start out here in California.

            I started out in Colorado Springs, CO. Was born there. And lived there.

            Then All other places, like NJ.

            Chit, Newark New Jersey in the 70s was still a lil rough around the edges. The smell of the settling ponds used to gravitate towards them.

            Yep, our jumping thing the kids use now were settling ponds for the City sewere. It gets a nice thick layer on top and you have a nice "rubbery" surface on the liquid below. The size of teo football feilds each. (scoccor).

            So yeah, thats New Jersery. Playing in the dump (actually loved that) and jumping on sewage settlement ponds.

            Yeah, SEA was next. Good times.

            California has the highest population of Federal Empleeys they say. Odd.

            I have my solar panels on my roof to diminish what I might have to pay my land loard, which as Jerry pointed out is Edison.. Edison and I have an aggreement as of now. We dont charge each other. It works out. JR

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            • #36
              You have to send it to the power company??? Just how does that work?
              -As I understand it, and I welcome clarification or correction, that it has to do with the "smart" meters. They work in both directions, and the power generated by the solar panels goes into the grid, while the house is fed back from said grid, like normal. The power you supply is simply subtracted from what you use, AND, the power co. can monitor and tally how much is being generated by all the panels. (Most of which, as I understand it, are state-subsidized.)

              A generator is a different animal, it's only used in emergencies. The rooftop panels are part of the overall grid supply.

              Doc.
              Doc's Machine. (Probably not what you expect.)

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              • #37
                Originally posted by loose nut View Post

                Is it actually possible to fit a solar panel up there???
                Hahahaa! Right!

                Next they will say you cant own your own solar panels.
                We will do it for you.

                Yeah, thats the day when is say GFY California. Kids pack up, off to Tennesee. JR

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by RB211 View Post
                  California also will not allow you to collect rain water on your own property. Plain and simple, they rule like Communist dictators.
                  Fauls. Not so.

                  They promote rain water catchment barrlels, Hippies and all. Id promote it, if it rained here. JR in So Cal.

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                  • #39
                    Tenn would be choice #2, Texas #3.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by RB211 View Post
                      Tenn would be choice #2, Texas #3.
                      Diff is I have no one in Tx. I have People in Tenn.. JR

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by J Tiers View Post

                        You can't use some electricity!

                        Actually, you can't, because you surely have a grid-tied system, which means that by law, you cannot use your own generated electricity, you HAVE TO send it to the power company. In a power failure, you have "no juice" same as everyone else.

                        I have panels here, but I have no grid tie, so I can do whatever I want with them.
                        Although I want to believe you understand the theory of how grid tied solar works, your statement is VERY misleading.

                        You indeed can and do use your "own generated electricity" in a grid tie system, its any EXCESS generated power beyond your immediate needs that gets sent to the power company/grid. If you are producing say 5kw and consuming 5kw, NOTHING gets sent to the grid/power company. If you generate say 7kw and are only using 5kw then in that case 2kw is indeed sent back to the grid for which you are given credit via a bi-directional smart meter also known as net metering.

                        Its true that in a power/grid failure a grid tie solar system has no power and must shut down in milliseconds. The term used is anti islanding and its a requirement. However, there are now grid tie inverters that CAN still produce power in a grid outage scenario, its only a small percentage of the inverters rating and NOT tied to the grid, its usually a receptacle right on the inverter, intended for emergency use. So, just because its a grid tied system it does NOT mean you necessarily have "no juice", it all depends on the inverter you have.

                        AND to further confuse issues, there are now what is known as hybrid off grid inverters, that's what I have. The inverter does "connect" to the grid BUT NEVER sends power to the grid. It can consume/draw power FROM the grid if needed to supplement the solar generated if the load demands exceed the solar energy generated. The loads are "shared". They can also use utility power to charge the batteries and have a bypass mode where the grid supplies all the loads. These configurations are all set in the parameters and not mandatory, you can operate with no grid connection at all if desired. STILL, the hybrid inverters are considered as a off-grid system, because they NEVER send power TO the grid.

                        Solar inverters have come a long ways. As a example, my inverter has a 450V input rating for the solar panels. My panels output well over 300V on the average day and feed the inverter with just a pair of #12 wires due to that high voltage. Its a lot more complicated setup than a couple small panels, a harbor freight 12V inverter and a couple golf cart batteries.
                        Last edited by Sparky_NY; 07-30-2021, 06:07 AM.

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                        • #42
                          A little fun fact relating to California and solar power. I am in South Carolina and my solar system has been generating less power for the last week or so. Its due to the smoke haze in the atmosphere drifting all the way here from the CA fires. You can actually see the haze in the air, its been widely reported. Fortunately, my system has enough capacity to still power all my needs even with the reduced efficiency. I would guess that solar power installations in California are experiencing a MUCH larger reduction in output because of the smoke.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Sparky_NY View Post
                            A little fun fact relating to California and solar power. I am in South Carolina and my solar system has been generating less power for the last week or so. Its due to the smoke haze in the atmosphere drifting all the way here from the CA fires. You can actually see the haze in the air, its been widely reported. Fortunately, my system has enough capacity to still power all my needs even with the reduced efficiency. I would guess that solar power installations in California are experiencing a MUCH larger reduction in output because of the smoke.
                            We have seen widespread smoke particles in the air here in NJ also. They say it is mostly from the Canadian wildfires up here.

                            How much did the solar setup cost you Sparky?. My friend in Apex NC has a huge setup and when I asked him if it was worth the cost, he said "not even close". I believe he said that he sells back to the grid every month as he does not use all that he produces. The Southern states use a lot of nuclear power from plants operated by Duke Energy and the cost per kWh is reasonable.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Sparky_NY View Post

                              Although I want to believe you understand the theory of how grid tied solar works, your statement is VERY misleading.

                              You indeed can and do use your "own generated electricity" in a grid tie system, its any EXCESS generated power beyond your immediate needs that gets sent to the power company/grid. If you are producing say 5kw and consuming 5kw, NOTHING gets sent to the grid/power company. If you generate say 7kw and are only using 5kw then in that case 2kw is indeed sent back to the grid for which you are given credit via a bi-directional smart meter also known as net metering.

                              Its true that in a power/grid failure a grid tie solar system has no power and must shut down in milliseconds. ...........................


                              Sparky, I understand that. I've worked with a number of grid tie inverters. I have worked on design of systems much larger than your small system, systems in the hundreds of kW.. Yes, UL1741, which is based off of power company tariffs requires that for the limited power home systems. VERY restrictive for home systems, less so (and more so) for larger systems, with "ride through" requirements, and shutdown requirements.

                              No it is NOT "misleading". Everyone knows grid tie offsets your bill and that you can use your own power some of the time (daytime).

                              BUT, every kWH that is generated but not used, in the most common grid tie systems, goes to the power co. You cannot store that power for later, you "must sell it" to the powerco, exactly as I said.

                              It is only very recently that there have been affordable inverters with the off-grid capability. What you describe with the outlet on it is a "nominal", a "stupid" system.

                              That "outlet on the inverter" is still not very useful. You need a hybrid-off-grid, which have been quite expensive.

                              The true system would be one in which you can hardly tell the power is off, other than by the alarm to tell you that you may want to reduce unnecessary loads.

                              Yes, you "can" do that, now. It will be very expensive. I know of many people with grid tie, and so far nobody among them has one of those systems yet. Most were never offered the choice.
                              2730

                              Keep eye on ball.
                              Hashim Khan

                              Everything not impossible is compulsory

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                              • #45
                                Since I'm not there, Kali can do whatever they want. What really chaps my butt is when those creeps wander into my area and start to interfere as non-residents. We get them from both coasts and they have campaigns to spread their disease nationwide. Now, if they move here to get away from the insanity I welcome them, but too many go back to the old ways within a year or two and start trying to make southern Utah more like SoCal. We literally get thousands of move-ins from Kali and Oregon every year, and we are (were) a relatively small metro area.
                                Southwest Utah

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