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  • #16
    Jack hammer gads are made out of S7 or H13 mostly

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    • #17
      Telling somebody what to do is always a mistake.
      Just because it is under the category of safety does not make it OK.
      Great way to make enemies.
      I never tell people what to do.
      I might ask if they feel safe doing the task the way that they are
      in the form of a question. But if I get any push back, I just drop it.
      I said my peace. What ever happens is on them.
      Even if I had said nothing, it was still always on them.
      People need to respect other people's right to do what they want.
      Even if it is dangerous. If they are ignorant, educate them.
      That is all you can do. Else you risk making an enemy, because
      you are overstepping your boundaries.
      This is something I learned early, growing up in life.
      Some people have still not learned it.
      Stop with this safety crap. Seriously. Stop butting into other people's
      business. The propaganda that "Safety is every bodies responsibility"
      is just cooperate insurance company crap. It is propaganda designed
      to save the company owner money.

      Just like this public covid mask wearing mandates as of lately.
      I was discussing with a friend of mine, and he was saying it was for the
      "common good". I agree with that. But it is ALSO a violation of personal
      freedom. It can be both, you know, is what I told him. It does not have
      to be one or the other. He actually agreed with me.

      I actually have a piece of a cold chisel embedded in the palm of my hand.
      Yes you can stick a magnet to my palm. No it does not interfere with an
      MRI machine. No it does not bother me. It bled like son of a bitch when it
      happened, and I did not know it was in there. Life goes on. I don't sweat it.


      --Doozer
      DZER

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      • #18
        Doozer don't pick your nose when you're you are walking , you could damage your bridge.
        John b. SW Chicago burbs.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Butcher View Post
          Jack hammer gads are made out of S7 or H13 mostly
          How about the smaller demolition hammers? I was curious because I was certain that the bits I've used were several decades old. Before the modern steels.
          25 miles north of Buffalo NY, USA

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Doozer View Post
            Telling somebody what to do is always a mistake.
            Just because it is under the category of safety does not make it OK.
            Gonna have to disagree there.
            I was trained to OSHA and for a good reason.
            I follow their practices and encourage others to do likewise.
            Mainly because you'd be amazed how common sense really isn't very common.
            And you only get one chance.
            I was lucky once or twice, I could have been dead a few time already.
            I knew guys that weren't so lucky

            25 miles north of Buffalo NY, USA

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            • #21
              We agree to disagree.
              DZER

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Butcher View Post
                Jack hammer gads are made out of S7 or H13 mostly
                Does this apply to air chisel bits also?
                I cut it off twice; it's still too short
                Oregon, USA

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                • #23
                  Anyone who lets the heads get mushroomed deserves to be maimed, it is so easy to keep them ground back.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by old mart View Post
                    Anyone who lets the heads get mushroomed deserves to be maimed, it is so easy to keep them ground back.
                    Nope. What they deserve, is to be educated about the dangers. Sometimes innocents are in range. I man I worked with years ago lost the sight of his left eye. His bad luck was to be walking across the shop floor and working with an ignorant co worker.
                    I cut it off twice; it's still too short
                    Oregon, USA

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Doozer View Post
                      I never tell people what to do.
                      I might ask if they feel safe doing the task the way that they are
                      in the form of a question. But if I get any push back, I just drop it.
                      I said my peace. What ever happens is on them.
                      So if you start a shop and have say 15 guys working for you, and one of them is constantly injuring themself and others, costing you production, time, hassles and money, that's fine with you? It's all 'on them'?

                      Originally posted by Doozer View Post
                      Stop butting into other people's
                      business. The propaganda that "Safety is every bodies responsibility"
                      is just cooperate insurance company crap. It is propaganda designed
                      to save the company owner money.
                      Yeah, stopping stupidity that costs you money is just a crazy thing to do. Why would a business owner who is in business to make money, even care a little bit about needlessly pissing it away in a damaging and idiotic manner.
                      Significantly, most of US actually DO care about our fellow humans, and especially our friends and coworkers, and would much prefer they not die or get injured, especially if it is easily avoidable.


                      Originally posted by Doozer View Post
                      Just like this public covid mask wearing mandates as of lately.
                      I was discussing with a friend of mine, and he was saying it was for the
                      "common good". I agree with that. But it is ALSO a violation of personal
                      freedom.
                      One tiny part of a massive and rather critically important equation.

                      Originally posted by nickel-city-fab View Post
                      Mainly because you'd be amazed how common sense really isn't very common.
                      Boy, do you have that one right!
                      Location: North Central Texas

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                      • #26
                        I know, I've been told plenty of times. Mostly just laziness.
                        But what gets me is when you have to tell idiots -- that is a different story.
                        I've lost count of how many times I've had to tell idiots
                        not to look at the light (welding) if it hurts their eyes.
                        25 miles north of Buffalo NY, USA

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Tim Clarke View Post

                          Nope. What they deserve, is to be educated about the dangers. Sometimes innocents are in range. I man I worked with years ago lost the sight of his left eye. His bad luck was to be walking across the shop floor and working with an ignorant co worker.
                          That ignorant coworker could have been me. Fortunately my ignorance was cured by insight and luck.

                          Far easier this way than listening to the doctors at the hospitable telling you than you've lost the vision to one or both of your eyes!
                          I've always found it a responsibility to tell others that what they are doing is wrong or unsafe and why. I certainly can't force them to change but I'd feel like hell if I said nothing and they were injured. Seen way too much of this and so much of it should have been preventable.

                          When someone tells me I'm doing something stupid and why I listen. I know that I wasn't born with the experience of a hundred others that preceded me. Why not learn from their mistakes.
                          Home, down in the valley behind the Red Angus
                          Bad Decisions Make Good Stories​

                          Location: British Columbia

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                          • #28
                            Not sure what it was- probably a video on high pressure presses- I watched the slo mo version of a piece of material exploding. It was accompanied by a cloud that very quickly disappeared. Perhaps it was moisture effects, perhaps metal particles moving beyond the speed of sound. In any event it's not something safe to be around.

                            I had a 'happening' in my shop many years ago while cutting plexiglass on the table saw. The piece I was cutting suddenly disappeared from under my fingers. The first hint that something had happened was I saw a shadow move across the wall in front of me. Then I became aware that it had bounced off the wall behind me. Then I became aware of some hurting on my stomach. Within about one second the whole scenario had mapped out in my mind, and I realized I had been struck by the piece I was sawing. I didn't even want to pull up my shirt, since I figured it would be best just to drive to emerge right away. But I looked, and there was a nice 4 inch long welt on my skin- and no blood. The dull saw blade had melted the cut line and welded to the blade. Suddenly the piece is moving at about 200 ft per second, bouncing off my stomach, the back wall, then the front wall. The piece hit me squarely from one edge- any other angle and it would have penetrated. I was lucky. And that's only the speed of the blade, calculated by the diameter of the blade and the rpm. Shattering a piece of hardened metal could easily create much higher speeds. There is no 'getting out of the way'.

                            Was drilling with a 1/8 drill bit one day. The bit caught, and broke. Two pieces flew past my ears, one on either side. Again I got lucky. I could have been blinded in one eye, or both eyes. I could have gotten a lobotomy, it could have cut my throat, could have taken out some teeth, could have sliced the whole side of my face and cut a jugular. The damage would have been done before a nerve impulse reached the brain to even begin an evasive maneuver.

                            Of course, this all reminds me of the guy who put a 303 bullet in the vise and clamped down on it. This was a long time ago and I don't remember all the details, whether he survived or not. Imagine if that was a chinese vise-
                            I seldom do anything within the scope of logical reason and calculated cost/benefit, etc- I'm following my passion-

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Willy View Post

                              That ignorant coworker could have been me. Fortunately my ignorance was cured by insight and luck.

                              Far easier this way than listening to the doctors at the hospitable telling you than you've lost the vision to one or both of your eyes!
                              I've always found it a responsibility to tell others that what they are doing is wrong or unsafe and why. I certainly can't force them to change but I'd feel like hell if I said nothing and they were injured. Seen way too much of this and so much of it should have been preventable.

                              When someone tells me I'm doing something stupid and why I listen. I know that I wasn't born with the experience of a hundred others that preceded me. Why not learn from their mistakes.
                              Well stated Willy --- im always keeping my ears open to learn and even thanking the individual afterwords, also always pointing out potential dangers,,,

                              these new "all time" all wheel drives are a good example,,, I always try to be aware of getting the front end up on jack stands and getting under one, if it's an automatic make sure it's in park - if it's a manual make damn sure it's in neutral with the parking brake on,,,

                              All it takes is once,,, working on stuff down there you never know when you could engage the starter - with the manual tranny you would be toast....

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                              • #30
                                Joel-
                                I do not own a business with employees and I am not the boss.
                                I am an engineer and I have co-workers.
                                My primary focus is on getting along with others.
                                If you are the boss or owner, you focus on safety is going
                                to be different. You write the check, you make the rules.
                                I don't write the check. I am just trying not to get shot in the head.

                                -Doozer
                                DZER

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