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    Ended up with a cultivator that was in need of a rear hitch modification,cut the 1-1/4” Drawbar on my Doall Vertical.There’s been recent discussions on what blade to use,this was cut with a 6 tooth 3/8” .035 blade at 275 fpm.It took 24 minutes (with a short bathroom break in that time period lol!) to cut. Click image for larger version

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  • #2
    Nice to have machines that can do the job.
    I seldom do anything within the scope of logical reason and calculated cost/benefit, etc- I'm following my passion-

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    • #3
      Really nice straight/clean cuts with that narrow blade.

      Mine don't look like that, but my little Atlas bandsaw has a 1/2" blade, and once that gets off-line, it plays heck getting it back on. Also would take a lot longer than 25 minutes for that cut!
      2730

      Keep eye on ball.
      Hashim Khan

      Everything not impossible is compulsory

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      • #4
        Not familiar with do-alls, whats the deal with the chain and cable? Is that part of some feed mechanism you had to disable to make a freehand cut, or..?

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        • #5
          Nice cut but why wouldn't you cut that out with either a plasma or o/a torch. At least the outside cut.
          Location: The Black Forest in Germany

          How to become a millionaire: Start out with 10 million and take up machining as a hobby!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Black Forest View Post
            Nice cut but why wouldn't you cut that out with either a plasma or o/a torch. At least the outside cut.
            Because machinist vs. fabricator.

            Never use a sheet metal screw when a machine screw will do.

            I hate that people always want to do thing the quickest, cheapest way.
            If it is your stuff, you want to make it nice. People that just slap things
            together think they are setting the world on fire, and just to the minimum
            to get things done. No pride. Like sloppy electricians and plumbers.
            They think their work is buried in a wall and no one sees it, so why
            be neat about it. Short cut city. Eff it, it's not mine is the modicum of the
            world. You don't have to screw the other guy to make a way for yourself.
            People have it all wrong. Nice neat electrical or plumbing (OR MACHINE)
            work does get noticed and does get you RECOMMENDATIONS to do
            other work, because neat work MEANS YOU GIVE A SHlT. It is nice to
            see neat work, because if nothing else, it means the tradesman took time
            on the details of the job, if the whole presentation of the job looks neat.
            Does it take a little more money and time to do a neat job? Yes sure.
            But it always pays dividends to have a reputation as someone who's
            work looks good.
            Torch cut or bandsaw cut tractor drawbar ??? A bandsaw is higher on the
            scale of precision and alters the thermal properties of the steel in NO way.
            It is classy to have a better cut on a part than a burned out part.
            It puts pride in your ride. It shows the world that you put forth the effort and
            expense to own a bandsaw in your shop because you value cut quality
            over speed and sparks. It advertises your capability to do precision work.
            It is a step above. Each job is a reflection of the man who did the job.
            People today are quick to forget that. Get the cash and get on down the road
            is most prevalent. It used to be, give them a little extra, and they will come back
            the next time. Crazy thought, right ??? Well it used to be the normal.
            Bandsawing a tractor drawbar represents all of the above.
            Some people don't explain it like I did. Most would say, You either get it or you don't.
            It is one of those values that you either live by or you don't. You don't just casually
            give effort sometimes. You give it all the time. Remember the saying, if a job is worth
            going, it is worth doing right ? It is a lifestyle choice. When I started my career
            in high school at a lawn and garden store, I would put together implements.
            Light duty fertilizers and roto tillers and stuff. When I first opened my toolbox
            that first day on the job, I had a decision to make. Do I use a pair of pliers and a
            Crescent wrench to do this job, or do I use a 7/16 wrench and a 7/16 socket and ratchet?
            That decision point was pivotal in my career to come. I chose to leave the pliers and
            Crescent wrench in the toolbox. That was 30 years ago.

            -Doozer
            Last edited by Doozer; 10-07-2021, 10:35 AM.
            DZER

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            • #7
              Pride in Workmanship says allot about a mans character...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Black Forest View Post
                Nice cut but why wouldn't you cut that out with either a plasma or o/a torch. At least the outside cut.
                I have a Doall AND a torch. It takes a good torch man (not me) to burn this 1 1/4 steel out . I COLUD do it with a torch .It would be ugly and need a lot of clean up. I KNOW that I can do this on my Doall with no problems. Also ,plasma cutting 1 1/4 is very rare in a home shop. Edwin Dirnbeck.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Doozer View Post

                  Because machinist vs. fabricator.

                  Never use a sheet metal screw when a machine screw will do.

                  I hate that people always want to do thing the quickest, cheapest way.
                  If it is your stuff, you want to make it nice. People that just slap things
                  together think they are setting the world on fire, and just to the minimum
                  to get things done. No pride. Like sloppy electricians and plumbers.
                  They think their work is buried in a wall and no one sees it, so why
                  be neat about it. Short cut city. Eff it, it's not mine is the modicum of the
                  world. You don't have to screw the other guy to make a way for yourself.
                  People have it all wrong. Nice neat electrical or plumbing (OR MACHINE)
                  work does get noticed and does get you RECOMMENDATIONS to do
                  other work, because neat work MEANS YOU GIVE A SHlT. It is nice to
                  see neat work, because if nothing else, it means the tradesman took time
                  on the details of the job, if the whole presentation of the job looks neat.
                  Does it take a little more money and time to do a neat job? Yes sure.
                  But it always pays dividends to have a reputation as someone who's
                  work looks good.
                  Torch cut or bandsaw cut tractor drawbar ??? A bandsaw is higher on the
                  scale of precision and alters the thermal properties of the steel in NO way.
                  It is classy to have a better cut on a part than a burned out part.
                  It puts pride in your ride. It shows the world that you put forth the effort and
                  expense to own a bandsaw in your shop because you value cut quality
                  over speed and sparks. It advertises your capability to do precision work.
                  It is a step above. Each job is a reflection of the man who did the job.
                  People today are quick to forget that. Get the cash and get on down the road
                  is most prevalent. It used to be, give them a little extra, and they will come back
                  the next time. Crazy thought, right ??? Well it used to be the normal.
                  Bandsawing a tractor drawbar represents all of the above.
                  Some people don't explain it like I did. Most would say, You either get it or you don't.
                  It is one of those values that you either live by or you don't. You don't just casually
                  give effort sometimes. You give it all the time. Remember the saying, if a job is worth
                  going, it is worth doing right ? It is a lifestyle choice. When I started my career
                  in high school at a lawn and garden store, I would put together implements.
                  Light duty fertilizers and roto tillers and stuff. When I first opened my toolbox
                  that first day on the job, I had a decision to make. Do I use a pair of pliers and a
                  Crescent wrench to do this job, or do I use a 7/16 wrench and a 7/16 socket and ratchet?
                  That decision point was pivotal in my career to come. I chose to leave the pliers and
                  Crescent wrench in the toolbox. That was 30 years ago.

                  -Doozer
                  Did you skip your meds today, again?
                  Location: The Black Forest in Germany

                  How to become a millionaire: Start out with 10 million and take up machining as a hobby!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Black Forest View Post

                    Did you skip your meds today, again?
                    If you don't fight for it, it will be taken away. Fact.

                    -D
                    DZER

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Edwin Dirnbeck View Post

                      I have a Doall AND a torch. It takes a good torch man (not me) to burn this 1 1/4 steel out . I COLUD do it with a torch .It would be ugly and need a lot of clean up. I KNOW that I can do this on my Doall with no problems. Also ,plasma cutting 1 1/4 is very rare in a home shop. Edwin Dirnbeck.
                      TTT doesn't have a home shop. He has a very well equipped farm shop. Because of TTT's fabrication skills I bet he is pretty good with a torch. I could cut that with a torch and hit it on the belt grinder or big disk grinder in TTT's case and you would not know the difference between it being cut on the bandsaw. Pride in the work doesn't have anything to do with my question.
                      Location: The Black Forest in Germany

                      How to become a millionaire: Start out with 10 million and take up machining as a hobby!

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                      • #12
                        Doozer's button got pushed 😆!
                        I recently got a plasma cutter. I have seen that it is possible to make very clean cuts with one, but I have not acquired that level of competence yet. Mine did let me cut through something that was nearly as thick as TT's cut, but since it's rated at more like 5/8 inch max it was a struggle and it looked pretty ugly when done. (That was just fine in this case - the important thing was that it actually got cut.) That Doall cut looks great, and if my bandsaw was able to cut the hard material I plasma cut without destroying the blade I would certainly have done that. In any case, "You Use The Tool You Got" not the one you wish you had.
                        "A machinist's (WHAP!) best friend (WHAP! WHAP!) is his hammer. (WHAP!)" - Fred Tanner, foreman, Lunenburg Foundry and Engineering machine shop, circa 1979

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                        • #13
                          Now if TTT just wanted to demonstrate to himself and us that his bandsaw could do a fine job of it then that is fine. The end product would not be and different cosmetically or structurally if cut with a torch.
                          Location: The Black Forest in Germany

                          How to become a millionaire: Start out with 10 million and take up machining as a hobby!

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                          • #14
                            Nice Job TTT. Looks like a brute of a saw, and I like that feed mechanism. We have a pretty decent sized powematic saw at work, and leaning on it to cut stuff get's old after a while. I'd love to have a feed mech like that.

                            As to the method? Who cares. Do it however you want, with whatever you got. Personally I would have scoured kijiji for months/years for an older CNC for scrap price and retrofit it with new servos and linux CNC to cut the outer profile with resharpened HSS endmills I got out of the dumpster after the last local auction. I'd have to find an old planer (because my shaper isn't big enough) to take off that mill scale with a $0.75 chunk of hss. Then I would have looked for a used Jig borer to strip down and scrape/rebuild it back to it's original specs just to bore that hole, because fit and finish of a hitch pin is important for a proper connection. But not before I made my own chair edge finder based on Moore's design principles, because really, it's the only suitable way to pick up an edge.

                            I would then have to put the whole project on hold until 2033 until the next mercury venus alignment to ensure that everything was just right. Crops can wait, anything less than perfection on every part that comes across your bench is unacceptable. When you're standing in puddle with rubbers on hooking up an implement you need to know that it's 100% right, or the job just ain't worth doing in the first place. If you're not willing to give it 110%, just sell all your tools, and buy whatever you need down at the local home center. All the time saved not making stuff could be better put to use arguing with people on the internet like the rest of society.

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                            • #15
                              Wow Doozer! I tend to agree with you 100%!
                              Now, to beat the dead horse, that’s the way I feel about my lawn!!! (Stripes and all)

                              Sid

                              ps. I love the clean band cut over the torch/plasma.

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