Wonderful wago lever action electrical connecters

[JRouche]

ANYTHING that cuts into a wire is inherently bad, IMO. I've seen a smallish notch in a wire cause a wire break before. Much arcing and general crap going on, not good.

Yup. In class if you nick a conductor while stripping the insulation you just failed that operation. That could go true with these "clamps" too. JR

[elf]

Never heard of the "brand name" have used the stab in's in florescent lighting kits...

I had to check on u boob to see how the lever action worked and immediately found this guy --- watched half the vid and am totally with him --- your want your house to burn down - buy them up and use them asap...

https://youtu.be/sHYzpUvddOc

So the guy talked to two "electricians" and did research on the internet which makes him an expert Does the UL listing mean anything?

[J Tiers]

............................ Does the UL listing mean anything?

Not nearly as much as it used to..... Those stab-in connections are UL also..... And are KNOWN bad.

[elf]

I would be more impressed if he had actually tested them to destruction instead of hearsay.

[tom_d]

Never heard of the "brand name" have used the stab in's in florescent lighting kits...

I had to check on u boob to see how the lever action worked and immediately found this guy --- watched half the vid and am totally with him --- your want your house to burn down - buy them up and use them asap...

https://youtu.be/sHYzpUvddOc

Thanks for posting that video. Definitely information worth digesting.

[A.K. Boomer]

I would be more impressed if he had actually tested them to destruction instead of hearsay.

There is a guy who looks like he did a pretty legit test on them in comparison to wire nuts,,, the wire nuts did do better but the lever action wago's did not fail prematurely --- but in all fairness he installed and did not move them around like you would have to do in an electrical box --- they absolutely would have been compromised more if he would have done that...

[gellfex]

I've been using the non-lever Wago type from Ideal for years, they're awesome. Makes it much easier to get #12 wires stuffed in the box, easy to remove a single wire if you want, and you can use one with an extra port if you think you might add a cable to the box one day, and then just stab it in without even turning off the power. I frequently am working on ancient wiring, like with cloth covering. Using the Wagos allows me to be much more gentle with the wires, not having to twist them again, just gently straighten (I'm always short of length) and shove into the connector.

I think the whole backstabbing outlet thing has become something of a mythology. The subdivision builders were early adopters, and probably some designs were actually defective, and some were installed badly. But that was decades ago. However electricians have a long memory that gets refreshed when they get called for a bad outlet and its a decades old backstab that has failed. This is confirmation bias. How many more thousands did not fail?

[A.K. Boomer]

It's been awhile but I still don't believe you can back stab a 12-2 into an electrical plug outlets backside - you have to use the screws, for 14-2 the wire will fit and the rating is 15 amps not 20 --- that does tell you something,

I know at my bro's shop you could not even back stab the 14-2's into the 15 amp outlets. well you could if you wanted to get your phat little arss canned... but if you wanted a job you had to use the screws...

[Mr Fixit]

I can speak to a situation where these stab-in WAGOs were used in a remodeled bank inside of a grocery store and the contractor (not me or my company) had used these to take ALL the home runs into 1- 24"x24" J box in the ceiling and then into the electrical panel. When I got a service call that all the power went dead in the bank I cam and found most of the circuits had been tripped and found the J box with many I mean many of these WAGOs melted into a plastic mess.. Needless to say the bank was shut down for 2 days as we rewired the whole thing with proper wire nuts and derating where needed so 10 years later it's still running strong and my checking account does business there on a regular basis.

So, I will never recommend them and do not see how UL can call those wiring connectors.. If you get the chance to look at one closely they are just a piece of tin that traps the wire between the plastic and the tin, a sharp small contact point for a 20a circuit apparently didn't do well at the bank.

So buyer be ware is all I can say..

Ok that's my story..

TX
Mr fixit for the family
Chris

[J Tiers]

I think the whole backstabbing outlet thing has become something of a mythology. The subdivision builders were early adopters, and probably some designs were actually defective, and some were installed badly. But that was decades ago. However electricians have a long memory that gets refreshed when they get called for a bad outlet and its a decades old backstab that has failed. This is confirmation bias. How many more thousands did not fail?

How many fails does it take to NOT want them in your house while you are asleep?

[Ian B]

Here's someone with a video of a couple of WAGO connectors and the effect of current on them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8DS...=AdrianChelaru

Ian

[luthor]

I would be more impressed if he had actually tested them to destruction instead of hearsay.

There is a video on testing the Wago to destruction, they held up beyond my expectations. I use them in Australia on 240V.

[epicfail48]

Threads like these always catch my interest, mostly cause its fun hearing the opinions. Everybody seems to be championing screw-on wire nuts (and they work, i use them too), but theres a bit of irony in the fact that wire nuts are generally not used in european countries because theyre seens as less safe, with screw terminals or lever locks being the go-tos

Personally i see it as a similar thing to PEX vs copper tube. Yeah, the early generation mightve had some faults, but theyve been massively overblown in the years since, even though the faults have been worked out, to the point where the replacement is arguably better. Price factors in to it to, for the PEX example ive seen a lot of plumbers talk down PEX just because copper takes more skill to install and thus makes them more money

[ikdor]

I just did my entire top floor with all transparent wago lever units. But then we have 230V. You low voltage types can dick around with your nuts :-)

[wmgeorge]

I went to look at You Tube videos and most all I found were overloading these Wago's to 3 and 4 times their rating??? I ordered some just to see for myself what the deal was?