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  • #31
    As far as office is concerned, you don't need to do the 365 route. You can still buy office 2019 stand alone without the monthly script. And if you look
    on ebay there are people selling unused corporate licenses for under ten bucks. Office 2019 is a free download, you just have to register it
    with a license. I have installed dozens on these and there is no problem. You do have to follow the somewhat involved instructions to install
    but it's not that bad. Do note that ebay frowns on these and deletes them when they notice them, so you have to catch them while they are up.

    The main difference with 365 is 365 automatically upgrades the modules to the new versions.
    John Titor, when are you.

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    • #32
      Thank you guys, plenty of good info to think about. In the meantime I have managed to install my old MS Office 2007 and it seems to be working, maybe with limited functionality. PDF editor problem is solved as well, at least for now.

      Nobody is talking about an antivirus program. Windows 11 has Windows Security app, which includes the antivirus and firewall. My computer came with a trial version of McAfee, I will delete it a little later. But I read somewhere that Windows Security is only good for MS Edge and MS Internet Explorer, I will be using Google Chrome. I have seen good reviews on Kaspersky Security Cloud Free, anybody tried that one?

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      • #33
        Originally posted by J Tiers View Post

        You can't. It's also used just for internal stuff, as I understand it. Chrome is huge spyware......edge is pretty much spyware Firefox isn't so much.
        Not that I have anything to spy on but yeah, it just pisses me off they put it on your machine even if you click no. Then it runs in background even though you're not using it.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by mikey553 View Post
          .... Windows Security app, which includes the antivirus and firewall. My computer came with a trial version of McAfee, I will delete it a little later. But I read somewhere that Windows Security is only good for MS Edge and MS Internet Explorer, I will be using Google Chrome. I have seen good reviews on Kaspersky Security Cloud Free, anybody tried that one?
          That's actually not true... Defender (built in windows AV) is damn good (we test the crap out of all these at work, and just ditched Symantec after 15 years on over 1200 machines)) , just "better" with Edge as that browser has more exposed hooks for their AV. "Internet Explorer" should not be run unless you have some ancient web serving app that needs it (urgh); I have 2). We run "Cloudstrike" AND Windows security to minimize/nail external and internal/local events.

          I use Chrome and Edge at the same time. I prefer Edge for many reasons, including Vertical tabs, sleeping tabs (I have 127 instances open right now ), PDF support, editing, etc. . For those of you that haven't tried Edge for a year or two, test it... you might be surprised...

          At home (not connected to the corp VPN), I run Windows Security alone.
          Last edited by lakeside53; 12-28-2021, 10:55 PM.

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          • #35
            Oh, and if you do pay for Fusion360, it comes with Eagle for PCB’s

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            • #36
              Originally posted by mikey553 View Post

              Nobody is talking about an antivirus program.
              Bitdefender $100 a year. Best out there.

              Microsoft office 365 $100 a year

              Cheaper than daily coffee.

              Those are the bare minimum to make a computer useful, free software isn't worth spit.
              Gary


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              • #37
                Originally posted by goose View Post
                Those are the bare minimum to make a computer useful, free software isn't worth spit.
                You better tell amazon to return that money they've made from running on linux for 21 years.

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                • #38
                  Linux for the win, FOSS is the only way to go IMO.
                  I prefer fedora https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/
                  Been using it for around 15 years now, no need to buy anything, ever, during that time.
                  No need for antivirus either.
                  Have fun,
                  Jon

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Jon Heron View Post
                    Linux for the win, ...................
                    No need for antivirus either.
                    Have fun,
                    Jon
                    USED TO BE..... there is apparently now malware for Linux as well as Apple.
                    CNC machines only go through the motions

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Jon Heron View Post
                      Linux for the win,
                      Jon
                      Not compatible with any major business software, such as MS Office, Adobe, Fusion 360, Mach3, etc.

                      If you're using your computers for (your) business, or collaborating with others on a project, Linux is dead-in-the-water.
                      Gary


                      Appearance is Everything...

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by goose View Post

                        Not compatible with any major business software, such as MS Office, Adobe, Fusion 360, Mach3, etc.

                        If you're using your computers for (your) business, or collaborating with others on a project, Linux is dead-in-the-water.
                        Not in my experience. I have used mine for business as do countless others. I design things in CAD (freecad) for my 3d printer, collaborate with windoze users who are using office and have not had any issues with adobe either. Wine is so good now you can even run photoshop and countless other windoze applications trouble free on it.
                        You could of course also dual boot with windoze or run it in a VM if had to, I have not.
                        Is there a learning curve? Absolutely! Is it worth it? Without a doubt.

                        Cheers,
                        Jon

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                        • #42
                          You can type the name of the windoze app in the search bar here to see if it will run in linux without any interventions. https://appdb.winehq.org/
                          Cheers,
                          Jon

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Jon Heron View Post

                            Is it worth it? Without a doubt.

                            Cheers,
                            Jon
                            You did preface that with, "In your experience" so you know that whether it is "worth it" is subjective. For those that have the time or interest and enjoy the chase, it might be worth it. For countless others it's not. However, both have their place and I doubt either one will ever replace the other.
                            I spent a couple months back in the 90's setting up a Linux workstation, scrounging for freeware, learning how to connect to Windows shares and vice versa. But at the end I just did not see any advantage to me and abandoned the effort. I could usually afford to buy the software I needed and trying a dozen freeware programs to find one that did what I wanted got old after a while.
                            Tom - Spotsylvania, VA

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by goose View Post
                              If you're using your computers for (your) business, or collaborating with others on a project, Linux is dead-in-the-water.
                              That sounds just like the generic FUD schtick from IBM salesdroids and business partners I've heard for decades, about any product they did not sell, right up until the moment they were told to push it. Same from the microsoft evangelists.

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                              • #45
                                Comparing linux in the 90's to now isn't even the same universe.. I have used linux since around ubuntu since 6.04ish (2006)? It certainly come a very long ways.. As I have said before - Linuxcnc got me into linux. Started dual booting - then notice that I just wasn't booting into windows anymore. I do have a vm that I used for fusion 360 - but now I have been running freecad. (which I have tried many times and had issues - but the current version seems to work quite well)

                                Linux certainly isn't for everyone. But if you are surfing and doing basic office type stuff - it will work just fine. It installs easy and someone mentioned uefi? linux will boot uefi no problem. I am currently using the latest Debian. Love it.

                                Sam

                                Originally posted by flathead4 View Post

                                You did preface that with, "In your experience" so you know that whether it is "worth it" is subjective. For those that have the time or interest and enjoy the chase, it might be worth it. For countless others it's not. However, both have their place and I doubt either one will ever replace the other.
                                I spent a couple months back in the 90's setting up a Linux workstation, scrounging for freeware, learning how to connect to Windows shares and vice versa. But at the end I just did not see any advantage to me and abandoned the effort. I could usually afford to buy the software I needed and trying a dozen freeware programs to find one that did what I wanted got old after a while.

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