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  • JoeLee
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    Originally posted by nickel-city-fab View Post
    That's just ..... unacceptable. That's horrible. You need to find a different place to shop, full stop.
    I use and recommend either McMaster-Carr https://www.mcmaster.com/
    and/or Hanes Supply https://www.hanessupply.com/

    Yes, it is unacceptable especially at today's prices. Up until the last couple years I never really paid much attention to stuff like this with hardware.
    For me it started with button head screws. The ones I would buy locally were nice. Then they started coming through with YSF on the head and the head shape changes slightly. I remember they guy telling me the company was bought out by YSF, forgot who they are and that companies are stamping their initials on the heads due to all the counterfeit crap showing up.

    After that I just started noticing a lot of imperfections in everything.
    My local store does carry some good hardware. The grade 8 stuff looks OK, so far. They carry a lot of Brighton Best like in set screws and they look OK. SHCS stuff looks OK and all the real old hardware that they still have of course is really good.

    Those nuts were just bulk bin stuff but even that stuff used to be good.

    JL...............

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  • nickel-city-fab
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    That's just ..... unacceptable. That's horrible. You need to find a different place to shop, full stop.
    I use and recommend either McMaster-Carr https://www.mcmaster.com/
    and/or Hanes Supply https://www.hanessupply.com/

    Originally posted by JoeLee View Post
    Here is another example of crappy hardware. Bought a bunch of 9/16" nuts from the local hardware store. The threads are horrible. The starting threads on most of them looked like the one in the picture. Stabbed my finger on one of them. Some had the hole noticeably off center and some had chunks missing out of the thread and almost looked like they were cross threaded.
    I brought the bad ones back today. The girl said I could hand pick the ones that pass my inspection. I said, sorry for being a pain but I'm very particular about my nuts.

    JL.....................

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  • JoeLee
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    Here is another example of crappy hardware. Bought a bunch of 9/16" nuts from the local hardware store. The threads are horrible. The starting threads on most of them looked like the one in the picture. Stabbed my finger on one of them. Some had the hole noticeably off center and some had chunks missing out of the thread and almost looked like they were cross threaded.
    I brought the bad ones back today. The girl said I could hand pick the ones that pass my inspection. I said, sorry for being a pain but I'm very particular about my nuts.

    JL.....................

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  • Dave C
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    Originally posted by JoeLee View Post
    Do all the Ace stores carry the same stuff?? I'm guessing probably not.

    JL.............
    There's an Ace store five minutes from me but they don't have near the stuff that the store in the next town has, and their prices are higher. The same family owns all the Ace stores in the metro Jackson area, but prices and inventory are not the same in all stores.

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  • JoeLee
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    Originally posted by nickel-city-fab View Post

    Turns out that McMaster still has the solid forged wing-heads in two different styles. A previous employer used them for sealing the lids on their in-process hydrogen filters. (To enable the operators to quick-change the filters)
    I was going to ask what those are used for nowadays, but you answered my question.

    JL.....

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  • nickel-city-fab
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    Originally posted by J Tiers View Post
    The wing head are decent. The ones to the right are only good for stuff you buy at Target, Walmart, or the dollar store.
    Turns out that McMaster still has the solid forged wing-heads in two different styles. A previous employer used them for sealing the lids on their in-process hydrogen filters. (To enable the operators to quick-change the filters)

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  • Tundra Twin Track
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    Originally posted by reggie_obe View Post

    Don't appear to be the typical CCC thumbscrews.
    Another vote for buying hardware lots at industrial auction.
    X2 on collecting hardware in larger lot’s,especially the higher grade ones.Having purchased larger high grade bolts can get pricey real quick!

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  • reggie_obe
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    Originally posted by JoeLee View Post
    Here is some other old hardware I've bought from them in the past for various projects.
    I have some square head bolts similar to the ones in my first post but these have a flange under the head.

    JL.................
    Don't appear to be the typical CCC thumbscrews.
    Another vote for buying hardware lots at industrial auction.

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  • J Tiers
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    The wing head are decent. The ones to the right are only good for stuff you buy at Target, Walmart, or the dollar store.

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  • wierdscience
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    Originally posted by JoeLee View Post
    Here is some other old hardware I've bought from them in the past for various projects.
    I have some square head bolts similar to the ones in my first post but these have a flange under the head.

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    JL.................
    Those wing head thumb screws like the one on the left. McMaster used to have a big selection of those, now they just have a couple styles. We have a few similar to those at work, the ones we have are malleable iron.

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  • wierdscience
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    Originally posted by JoeLee View Post
    Do you know who the company is ??

    JL.............
    PM sent

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  • Tundra Twin Track
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    Originally posted by JoeLee View Post
    I know the CAT dealer has their own hardware and from what I've seen it's pretty nice looking stuff, made to their specs. I would imagine. I thought JD had the same.

    JL....................
    That was the first time I had a issue,should have kept one to show the ugliness.Can’t believe I didn’t notice at the time,was to busy just grabbing hand fulls of each size I guess🙂

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  • Bob Engelhardt
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    Originally posted by nickel-city-fab View Post

    ... My local Ace recently upgraded their franchise , including the fastener aisle. I am astounded every time I go in there ...
    One of the local Ace's (O'Connor's in Billerica, MA) has that kind of hardware selection. Most of it is in those slide-out compartmented trays. Recently my curiosity took over and I counted them. There were 1200!! Yes - one thousand two hundred trays. Both sides of a couple of aisles.

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  • JoeLee
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    On the hardened square head set screws........... I drew them back today using my MAP gas torch. They just about hit orange but not quite. I let them soak for a couple minutes. When they cooled I was able to cut the heads off with my hack saw.

    JL...................

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  • JoeLee
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    Originally posted by Tundra Twin Track View Post
    I usually buy most of my common Bolts from my John Deere Dealer by the lb. ,I was restocking my inventory and didn’t notice the 5/16” x1-1/4” threads were total garbage.I returned them and the dealer cleaned out the entire Bin and returned them to supplier.
    I know the CAT dealer has their own hardware and from what I've seen it's pretty nice looking stuff, made to their specs. I would imagine. I thought JD had the same.

    JL....................

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