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    Most new and used ATVS have fuel injection.They WILL fail. Some brands have automotive style OBD2 diagnostic plugs..This is good.You can use a common automotive code reader and get some clue about what is wrong.I just took a severe beating on a 12 year old STUPID POLARIS ,that had low hours and looked beautiful.It was intermittently stalling and backfiring The Largest dealer in the St Louis area said that they didnt work on anything that old. This STUPID POLARIS needed a proprietary plug and cable and STUPID POLARIS DIGITAL WRENCH software. Only the dealers can get this and they are not allowed to sell it. You can buy the used cables and software on ebay for outrageous money , no guarantee,.no return. Beware.. Edwin Dirnbeck

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    If you can switch over to carb's then I would do that. Even if you got it repaired would you trust it ?? I'd hate to get stranded on the trail out in the middle of no where and I'd never feel comfortable going anywhere with it.

    JL...............

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    • #3
      Wow, being in the market for a UTV, I do get concerned that simple repairs are simply no longer possible. Just like my basic garden tractor (a John Deere) I opted for the carbureted version and glad I did. Operates flawlessly in hot or cold seasons. Only issue is I have to give a tiny bit of choke when it is below 25 degrees. Once it fires up, it is go time.

      With few shops around, and those that are, are selective in what they will work on, I have been trying to find as basic a model as I can, and considering a used one if it is less dependent upon "computer" controls. Probably can't avoid altogether, but the fewer the better.

      S E Michigan

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      • #4
        I have a Polaris UTV and love it. It gets used daily on our farm. It starts no matter the weather and runs flawlessly. It is electric! Very quiet so it lets me sneak up on tresspassers!
        Location: The Black Forest in Germany

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        • #5
          Originally posted by OaklandGB View Post
          Wow, being in the market for a UTV, I do get concerned that simple repairs are simply no longer possible. Just like my basic garden tractor (a John Deere) I opted for the carbureted version and glad I did. Operates flawlessly in hot or cold seasons. Only issue is I have to give a tiny bit of choke when it is below 25 degrees. Once it fires up, it is go time.

          With few shops around, and those that are, are selective in what they will work on, I have been trying to find as basic a model as I can, and considering a used one if it is less dependent upon "computer" controls. Probably can't avoid altogether, but the fewer the better.
          Get an electric UTV you won't be disappointed! The new Polaris EV has 110hp. Mine only has 30 and I have never felt it was under powered.
          Location: The Black Forest in Germany

          How to become a millionaire: Start out with 10 million and take up machining as a hobby!

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          • #6
            It's a shame they have to ruin something as superior as fuel injection with boobytrapping things in the programming and such, it's the way things are going, hang onto your wallets,,,

            a buddy of mine has a modern little 250 enduro that's rated 80mpg due to fuel injection, something unheard of with a carb, plus he does not worry about winter time parking it as there's no oxygen/air exchange to get to the internals to "gunk them up"

            Im not sure if his system is "rigged" Would be nice if they just let us take "one step forward" but no - it's always accompanied with one or two steps back..... A-holes...

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            • #7
              Their goal isn't simply to make money selling you the vehicle, but also doing the service because you can't. The sad end result of this is once it's obsolete and they don't provide parts anymore, you are on your own. At that point you need to spend a bunch of money to install an aftermarket fuel injection system, switch to a carb, or scrap it for parts and buy a new one. I think I'll keep my 2002 carbureted model ATV.

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              • #8
                It makes removing a carb and drilling out the tamper proof plugs to be able to set proper idle mixture look like a walk in the park (not that iv actually ever done any of those things ha-ha)

                What a great move that was ehhh? so technicians cannot do their job and places like where im at - a mile high they expect you to leave the carb "pigging out" with a piss poor idle and releasing all kinds of unburnt hydrocarbons into the atmosphere,,, what a bunch of shoot yourself in the foot idiot's...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by OaklandGB View Post
                  Wow, being in the market for a UTV, I do get concerned that simple repairs are simply no longer possible. Just like my basic garden tractor (a John Deere) I opted for the carbureted version and glad I did. Operates flawlessly in hot or cold seasons. Only issue is I have to give a tiny bit of choke when it is below 25 degrees. Once it fires up, it is go time.

                  With few shops around, and those that are, are selective in what they will work on, I have been trying to find as basic a model as I can, and considering a used one if it is less dependent upon "computer" controls. Probably can't avoid altogether, but the fewer the better.
                  I wouldn't give up my 1964 Simplicity for anything. Always starts and if is doesn't it's an easy fix.

                  These newer riding lawn mowers are crap. Loaded with safety features and plastered with safety and warning stickers.

                  JL................

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JoeLee View Post
                    I wouldn't give up my 1964 Simplicity for anything. Always starts and if is doesn't it's an easy fix.

                    These newer riding lawn mowers are crap. Loaded with safety features and plastered with safety and warning stickers.

                    JL................
                    I bet that's very close to the year model we had --- I think it had an 8 hp briggs on it,

                    older brother would get dropped off at the bus stop and run home to fire up the simplicity in time for the other kids to walk by seeing him riding wheelies out of the ditch,,,

                    He bye-passed the governor with a shoe string he would yank on for extra uhhhmph,,, it was all fun and games till he pumped a connecting rod through the block,,, then Pop's had to get a new block and bro had to transfer all the guts with a few new parts added lol My Dad was not happy to say the least....

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                    • #11
                      High tech is indistinguishable from magic..... Works well, but the problem is that you need to get the magician back to fix it. And the magician can (and will) charge anything they want to.

                      Case in point.... the '19 Ranger has to use a "programmed chip" key. The dealer charges $250 or more for a key. I got a perfectly good one from a locksmith, programmed chip and all, for $50. Took him 5 minutes, works perfectly.

                      That $50 is high for a "key", really high. It only looks good compared to $250. Both are basically "because we can" prices. And they can, because what else are you gonna do?

                      At least it is still a truck that you put the key into. With some you just set the key in a holder and push the big red button.
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                      • #12
                        I work on ATV's etc. for various people as a retirement boredom thing.
                        I WILL NOT work on anything Polaris or Arctic Cat. Hell even the dealers cringe when they need service.
                        Sorry to say they both are the most poorly designed absolute junk in the marketplace. Poor parts and factory support and the list goes on.

                        Yeah yeah I'll get the my polaris has 30,000 miles on it yada yada, Just try working on it you'll see.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by J Tiers View Post
                          High tech is indistinguishable from magic..... Works well, but the problem is that you need to get the magician back to fix it. And the magician can (and will) charge anything they want to.

                          Case in point.... the '19 Ranger has to use a "programmed chip" key. The dealer charges $250 or more for a key. I got a perfectly good one from a locksmith, programmed chip and all, for $50. Took him 5 minutes, works perfectly.

                          That $50 is high for a "key", really high. It only looks good compared to $250. Both are basically "because we can" prices. And they can, because what else are you gonna do?

                          At least it is still a truck that you put the key into. With some you just set the key in a holder and push the big red button.
                          It’s been the Rule for ever with the Guys I sled with in mountains that a spare key for the Truck or Truck’s is hidden some where and not up on the Mountain with that Guy that’s separated or detained when we return at end of the day.Most of the Newer trucks doors unlock when Fob gets within certain distance from veicle so that’s a real pain.My 18 Chev WT 3500 doesn’t have that feature thankfully,so can still leave a key and lock doors.The key still goes in ignition like old school.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JoeLee View Post
                            If you can switch over to carb's then I would do that. Even if you got it repaired would you trust it ?? I'd hate to get stranded on the trail out in the middle of no where and I'd never feel comfortable going anywhere with it.

                            JL...............
                            I thought about switching to a carb. Not so simple. Need a carb ,intake, fuel pump., throttle , choke ignition,wiring and on and on.The only way it is doable is if you could find the EXACT YEAR AND MODEL that was wrecked at a low price.Because STUPID POLARIS will never make more than two identical machines ,parts are gold. Edwin Dirnbeck

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Edwin Dirnbeck View Post

                              I thought about switching to a carb. Not so simple. Need a carb ,intake, fuel pump., throttle , choke ignition,wiring and on and on.The only way it is doable is if you could find the EXACT YEAR AND MODEL that was wrecked at a low price.Because STUPID POLARIS will never make more than two identical machines ,parts are gold. Edwin Dirnbeck
                              I never said it would be a simple job. That's why I said "if". I never liked Polaris, they were snow anchors. I got stranded for two days because I was riding with a bunch of Polaris guys. Spent two nights in a volunteer fire house in some small town, Poe Dunk ! during a snow storm because the Polaris sleds couldn't handle the deep snow. Memories !!!

                              JL............

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