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  • Mcgyver
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    Hey Willy, thanks, but they do all get used. Making them look pretty is just an indulgence, paint. They're small so its easy to do. All will be in the same or better mechanical shape when I'm done as their custodian.

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  • Willy
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    Tools much like anything else can be appreciated without being used. I realize this makes no sense to many here but consider some of the beautiful machines that Mcgyver posted here, lovely to look at and restore but almost sacrilegious to use in the shop due to the intrinsic artistic beauty they possess.

    Another example comes to mind is the automobile. To many it is simply a tool used as a means of conveyance, however many purchase them as an investment or simply to be admired for what it can do rather than what it does do.

    Fine China or a decorative vase are often displayed as art and never used as the item was meant to be, only simply admired by those that appreciate what went into their existence.

    I can appreciate many things without feeling compelled to use them for their intended purpose. I have some very fine firearms that I have never shoot, I also have many others that are warmed up quiet regularly.
    I also have some hand tool sets that have a lot of sentimental feelings attached to them as they were presentation sets my father received through the Master Technicians program from Chrysler Corp. during the 60's. They are fully functional but like my other examples I don't need to use them.

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
    Last edited by Willy; 01-26-2022, 02:22 PM. Reason: Grammar

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  • J Tiers
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    Originally posted by challenger View Post
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    People need to to put on their hypocrite glasses before they call others out. I GUARANTEE some of you flamers have tools that you rarely, if ever, use and brag about how much $ they will one day be sold for while conversing at the holiday meal table.
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    Not particularly "sorry" but I buy tools that I need, or that I see as being credibly useful later. I buy a very few items that I just plain like, and do not expect to use. Mostly those are antique (in most cases actually antique in the strict sense) electrical or electronic devices. Sometimes the "credibly useful" item ends up not used (yet), but.....

    I have bought a few things as "investments" in that they were sellable for much more than I paid, usually with a bit of work added. Most have been sold, a couple are hanging around.

    For $5 there is a good chance I might have bought the wrenches, but maybe not. I am not much of a "tool collector", the tools are in the toolboxes, not on a display board.

    I used to see lots of "tool collectors" at estate sales.... There would be a table of old tools, and a row of fat butts in front of it blocking it totally, each pawing through stuff. Sometimes one of the butts would hand another one of the group something; "Ed, you collect these, it's in good shape"..... Usually they made a clean sweep of anything useful.

    I go to fewer sales now, prices have shot up to ebay levels (sometimes with a tag mentioning what one sold on ebay for recently), and the tool generation have died out. Now the "tools" are often a few of what I call "Target store lead screwdrivers"...... Stanley, or other pure junk, that twists and gets mangled the first or second time you use it on a tight screw.

    I should maybe not insult Target that way, they used to be better. Years ago I bought a good "Indestro" socket wrench set at a Target (still have it), at one time they sold decent US stuff. Now, they only sell chinese junk, but, then, there IS only "chinese junk", no US company sells US made tools into the consumer market, and even old-line US makers import everything (assuming they did not just go out of business).

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  • challenger
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    Sorry but so do I. Actually I haven't needed to buy any tools in a while however, in the past, I've purchased a few tools as investments. The SS wrench set I bought for $5.00. I purchased a Watervliet planishing hammer for $100.00 thinking I would use it but KNOWING it was worth a ton more than I paid for it. I purchased a large, old, pattern makers vice for a song knowing id sell it one day for a lot more $. That's just a few of the items.
    I have many guns that I've selectively purchased in the past 40 years. I shoot MAYBE once a year. As per the prevalent mindset here, am I a second class citizen for not shooting these every day or week?
    People need to to put on their hypocrite glasses before they call others out. I GUARANTEE some of you flamers have tools that you rarely, if ever, use and brag about how much $ they will one day be sold for while conversing at the holiday meal table.
    Some humility and self truth goes a long way. Nobody likes judgeMENTAL people.

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  • Paul Alciatore
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    Sorry, I buy tools to use. To make things. To repair things. To install things.

    TO USE!

    And I take back that "Sorry". I am not a bit sorry about it.

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  • Doozer
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    Originally posted by challenger View Post

    Funny. You "apologize" and stroke your ego while doing so.
    You're a legend in your own mind. THAT is obvious.
    Yes that's true.
    Maybe if you liked yourself more
    you could be a legend in your mind too.
    For some the road is longer than for others.

    -D

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  • Mcgyver
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    [QUOTE=Tundra Twin Track;n1982748]
    Originally posted by Mcgyver View Post
    Mcgyver that Hauser is real interesting and when ever I get down East would like to see your collection.I’m assuming that’s classified as a Mill.
    It's a jig borer, both X and Y are just sitting there, V-way/flat way style (no dovetail). If you ever have to move one, resist the temptation to grab the wide part, the X, and lift....all the weight will be on the incredibly precise feedscrew.

    A neat feature is the mechanical lead error correction. The line mark that you read the graduated dial against moves. Its connected to a spring load plunger that then follow a carefully filed profile such that lead error is compensated for. Graduated in 1/10,000 of an inch, its supposed to be that accurate over its distance. What tedium and skill went into making those plates!

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  • Tobias-B
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    'moose muffins;' heh.

    I don't buy myself 'nice' things because I don't take 'collectible' care of things.

    I use them. I take them apart and modify them. I repaint in 'non- factory' colors.
    I swap engines, transmissions, and cut up the transmission tunnel to do so.

    So I will ALWAYS take the 'scruffy but solid' tool if I can imagine a use for it.
    I have at LEAST 10 1/2" wrenches- and sometimes, when I go to one or the other
    tool box, there's not a single one in either. So I guess I 'use' them all!


    I honestly appreciate people who can keep things 'shiny- nice'. But I don't work that way.
    I sometimes wish I could. I REALLY wish I could train myself to put tools AWAY instead of
    leaving them on the bench...

    t
    we're all a moose muffin in some way or t'other.
    Otherwise, we wouldn't be here!

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  • true temper
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    Speaking of hoarders, I just happen to have the 1972 Craftsman tool catalog that had the add for these wrenches. I have always been intrigued by them, wondering if they were any good. Click image for larger version

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  • challenger
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    Originally posted by Doozer View Post
    Hey man, If the wrenches were a gift or an award, something like that, I get it.
    I did not think of the reason of having them. I am not good at thinking about the
    emotional reason of things, Only the logical reason of things. It is a failing of mine.
    I am sorry if I offended you with my cold and logical words.

    -Doozer
    Funny. You "apologize" and stroke your ego while doing so.
    You're a legend in your own mind. THAT is obvious.

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  • challenger
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    That makes sense. They, and the case, don't appear to be the style of Joe oil change pit IYKWIM

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  • Tundra Twin Track
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    [QUOTE=Mcgyver;n1982632]The only tools I marvel over and don't use are the friggin machines I haven't yet finish so aren't yet running. I do spend a bit of time though making the smaller ones look nice...but they all get used.







    Mcgyver that Hauser is real interesting and when ever I get down East would like to see your collection.I’m assuming that’s classified as a Mill.

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  • OKChipmaker
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    No offence taken, Just thought I would put what I knew. We (USA) did put out some good tools back then! Maybe we will again.

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  • Doozer
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    Hey man, If the wrenches were a gift or an award, something like that, I get it.
    I did not think of the reason of having them. I am not good at thinking about the
    emotional reason of things, Only the logical reason of things. It is a failing of mine.
    I am sorry if I offended you with my cold and logical words.

    -Doozer

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  • OKChipmaker
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    Those wrenches were made for presentation, for a retiring CEO of the Easco hand tool comp. in the mid 1980s. His set were 16k gold plated. A few sets were made and left unplated for Sears to use as thay wanted. I worked there at the time and helped walk them through from sinking the forge dies and 16 machining ops. and plater. Plant was in Springdale Arkansas.

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