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  • Willy
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    Originally posted by lynnl View Post
    What is the prize for winning one of these arguments? Does the value vary in direct relation to the length of the thread?
    Not sure about the winner but the looser gets a free oil change at JiffyLube.
    And yes he must bring his own personal vehicle, no rental proxies allowed.

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  • JRouche
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    Originally posted by The Artful Bodger View Post
    Has anyone had a spanking yet?
    May I jump in line for one, specially if its free!! Im due.. JR

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  • J Tiers
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    Originally posted by lynnl View Post
    What is the prize for winning one of these arguments? Does the value vary in direct relation to the length of the thread?
    Dunno. Wasn't aware there was a prize. If there is, Super and tomato aren't in the running, and I don't want to be.

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  • PStechPaul
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    OEM = Original Equipment Manufacturer

    EOM = ??

    Nits bother me when they are oft repeated...

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  • lynnl
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    What is the prize for winning one of these arguments? Does the value vary in direct relation to the length of the thread?

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  • oxford
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    Originally posted by The Artful Bodger View Post
    Has anyone had a spanking yet?
    Lol, not yet. I’m sure someone will be throwing out “troll” soon enough though.

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  • The Artful Bodger
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    Has anyone had a spanking yet?

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  • Superbowl
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    Originally posted by J Tiers View Post

    BUT, and I said this, and you IGNORED it......

    The 7500 miles is NOT SHOWN IN THE MANUAL. I quoted you every bit of what was in the manual except the "trust the oil change indication" which the PDF search found about 10 times.

    WHAT THE MANUAL SHOWS, is "not more than 10,000 IF the oil change indicator does not call for a change first."

    And, then what you showed is EXACTLY 25% less than the 10,000 mile limit shown in the MANUAL FOR THE TRUCK.

    Funny thing, that.... I suggested 20% less than the manual's limit, and there YOU show how FORD 100% agrees with me, and even goes farther.

    So, you end up agreeing with me.............! Thanks for recognizing the truth.

    That's just plain "CASE CLOSED" on you and Superbowl..... FORD agrees with me.
    No case closed on me. All I have been saying is GO WITH THE EOM RECOMMENDATIONS, THEY KNOW MORE THAN YOU!!!!!!! And I still say that.

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  • tomato coupe
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    Originally posted by J Tiers View Post

    Just give it up.

    It's YOUR number that YOU found at FORD and waved in my face......

    But now you are claiming that your number is not even applicable?

    Well, then if your number is no good, why did you even post it?

    Give it up. You're done.
    You made a broad claim that automotive engineers recommend 8,000 mile oil changes, but the marketing departments insist on 10,000 mile oil changes and overrule them. If, as that link shows, Ford (or any other manufacturer) typically recommends 7,500 oil changes, your assertion is false.

    Originally posted by J Tiers
    What happens is that the engineers assess the result, find that 10k miles seemed to wear only a certain amount, and that say, 200k miles was predicted life. Then they recommended that 8000 miles on a change be the published limit to better guarantee the mileage-to-failure result.

    Marketing wanted that 10k miles, because YES customers DO look at that (fleet vehicle operators). So since the engineers did not find too many actual failures in the 10k case, they take that number and run with it.

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  • gmax137
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    Originally posted by Doozer View Post
    Am I the only guy
    who has had Odometers fail ? ? ?

    --Doozer
    I have not had an odometer fail since I started oiling them. One drop at each equinox. I learned it from an old Syrian mechanic.

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  • J Tiers
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    Originally posted by tomato coupe View Post

    You're comparing a specific model to an across-the-model-line typical figure, and concluding that Ford recommends oil change intervals 25% less than their recommended oil change interval.
    Just give it up.

    It's YOUR number that YOU found at FORD and waved in my face......

    But now you are claiming that your number is not even applicable?

    Well, then if your number is no good, why did you even post it?

    Give it up. You're done.

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  • Doozer
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    Just last week, the Odometer on my 95 Crown Vic
    stopped working at 195123 miles. I used to change
    the oil every 5000 miles, because it was just a little
    bit brown. Far from being black, like the old V-8
    engines were with carburetors at even 3000 miles.
    I was quite regular every 5K with my changes.
    Now I have to guess. The spedo works just fine.
    I used to change the oil I guess 4 times a year
    with my 5 day a week commute to work and
    driving on the weekends. I suppose 4 times a year
    will have to do. I check it every Saturday morning
    along with the coolant and tire pressure.
    Funny I have ANOTHER 95 Crown Vic in the garage
    with only 38000 miles on it, almost brand new.
    Would you believe the Odometer stopped on that one
    too? On my 1953 International pickup truck, the
    Odometer broke when it started to roll over 79999
    to 80000. You could tell the gears were stripping
    because the spedo needle started bouncing violently
    until something inside finally broke. The spedo
    continues to work fine, but the Odo is stuck at 79999.
    Those odometer dials must get sticky on the shaft.
    Plastic must get gooey and stick or something.
    Not clockwork precision I guess.
    I guess I will just have to look at the dipstick,
    feel the oil between my fingers, smell it with my
    nose, and taste it if it smells like gasoline just to be sure
    it is time to change it. On the filters, instead of writing
    the mileage with magic marker, I will write Winter, Spring,
    Summer, or Fall. Seems about right. Am I the only guy
    who has had Odometers fail ? ? ?

    --Doozer

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  • tomato coupe
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    Originally posted by J Tiers View Post

    BUT, and I said this, and you IGNORED it......

    The 7500 miles is NOT SHOWN IN THE MANUAL. I quoted you every bit of what was in the manual except the "trust the oil change indication" which the PDF search found about 10 times.

    WHAT THE MANUAL SHOWS, is "not more than 10,000 IF the oil change indicator does not call for a change first."

    And, then what you showed is EXACTLY 25% less than the 10,000 mile limit shown in the MANUAL FOR THE TRUCK.

    Funny thing, that.... I suggested 20% less than the manual's limit, and there YOU show how FORD 100% agrees with me, and even goes farther.

    So, you end up agreeing with me.............! Thanks for recognizing the truth.

    That's just plain "CASE CLOSED" on you and Superbowl..... FORD agrees with me.
    You're comparing a specific model to an across-the-model-line typical figure, and concluding that Ford recommends oil change intervals 25% less than their recommended oil change interval.

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  • J Tiers
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    Originally posted by tomato coupe View Post

    That 7,500 mile figure comes from Ford. It is a typical oil change interval across the model line, but it varies for individual models. It is not a recommendation to change oil 25% sooner.
    BUT, and I said this, and you IGNORED it......

    The 7500 miles is NOT SHOWN IN THE MANUAL. I quoted you every bit of what was in the manual except the "trust the oil change indication" which the PDF search found about 10 times.

    WHAT THE MANUAL SHOWS, is "not more than 10,000 IF the oil change indicator does not call for a change first."

    And, then what you showed is EXACTLY 25% less than the 10,000 mile limit shown in the MANUAL FOR THE TRUCK.

    Funny thing, that.... I suggested 20% less than the manual's limit, and there YOU show how FORD 100% agrees with me, and even goes farther.

    So, you end up agreeing with me.............! Thanks for recognizing the truth.

    That's just plain "CASE CLOSED" on you and Superbowl..... FORD agrees with me.

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  • Willy
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    Let's face it, oil changes done without the aid of a professional oil sample analysis is only a guesstimate at best. Oil life monitors are not much better but better than what the general public can conjure up on their own. This procedure though is not a viable solution for all but the most anal diehard in regards to the daily driver.

    Cummins is now allowing up to 80,000 mile oil drain intervals on ISX15 L engines in conjunction with info based on oil sample analysis recommendations and the use of approved lubricants
    I believe either Volvo or Mack, could be both as they are now one and the same to a large extent, are endorsing 100,000 mile drain intervals with the same caveats.

    With the older engine designs, fuels, and lubricants this was unheard of in the past. Engines held to tighter tolerances and the new lubes are now safely allowing what would have been blasphemy in the past.

    I believe this applies to a large extent to new car and light trucks as well for much the same reason, when not subjected to extremes of service or conditions.

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