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  • #76
    Originally posted by Doc Nickel View Post
    We don't talk about Sir John or Thrud this way, because most of us respected them. For all too many here, Evan, even with his clear skills and knowledge, never quite earned that level of respect, entirely due to how he treated others.
    Doc.
    Yeah I get it Doc. It doesn't change the awful taste in my mouth when I read one member saying this about another member. Its appalling to me and I am not very sensitive. That's all. JR

    "I wouldn't be surprised if Evan is locked away somewhere in an asylum for the criminally insane. No joke."

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    • #77
      Originally posted by wmgeorge View Post
      I believe you can delete Threads but I am sure there are still copies around on the server they use here.
      You are correct. A google search using the cached option will show most of it. Not always.

      When I mirrored this site I did it because I was not always within distance of a connection. I use this site as a reference. Its been very helpful for me. I used a couple programs, maybe called spiders to grab the info here. Its not just a matter of getting the info from the VP server. I had to go to all the other "links" where the photos were housed. Like photobuket. This site to around 2007-2008 was over two gigabytes wide. Thats including all the pictures. Took a couple of days to download it local.

      Whats cool? When I open the site locally its just as if it were live. Except for the address which points to a location on my computer. I navigate it just I do live, without the ads of course. No, LOL.. The ads are there also (I dont mind the ads, someone has to pay for this).
      Its a mirror. JR

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      • #78
        Originally posted by RB211 View Post
        I think we all need a Paul Harvey, "now you know the rest of the story" bit with Evan, due to how he just vanished and deleted his online persona.
        -I think we can make a pretty good guess.

        He had enough of an ego that a divorce probably shook him more than he wanted to let on; either she got the house or he simply decided it was time for a 'change of scenery' (I suspect the former) and knowing that the camper life would not allow regular internet access, closed down his servers, and stated quite plainly he wasn't coming back.

        We can presume that he's living in said camper, probably has moved about a bit and has hopefully found a pleasant living for himself.

        There were suggestions and suspicions of mental issues (Bruce Willis, Charlton Heston, anyone? Both of whom declared they were bowing out of the public eye, basically while they still could?) and it's entirely possible he's in a home or care facility of some sort. (With Heston, it was what, less than a year between his announcement, and his passing, from Alzheimers?)

        Lots of speculation, and I, for one, hope he's still hale and hearty somewhere, but also having personally seen more than my share of people suffer mental issues, said speculation is all too possible.

        Doc.
        Doc's Machine. (Probably not what you expect.)

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        • #79
          Not to start the whole thing back up again but I still stand by saying a full grown eagle could snatch and carry off a very young (kid?) goat or sheep off the side of a Mt. wall and glide down with it at a VERY steep angle...

          one of Me and Evan's all time classics where even the page count alone was mind boggling lol the rescuing all the people of the Titanic by parking the ship by another ice burg and putting everyone on the ice burg argument was futile of me --- I should have never brought that one up. lol

          and yes, least i can admit my mistakes and im actually grateful for that...

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          • #80
            It takes all kinds to make up a good forum, different people add what they can.
            Is lsn't like you have to agree with everything .

            I still remember the finish Evan was getting with his metal shaper. It looked like the finish was burnished.
            He did some great work.

            Hal

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            • #81
              I'm going to start asking questions like the Titanic one, that sounded like it was epic with a forum full of problem solving thinkers!

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              • #82
                Now about that Titanic business..... IIRC they had 24 fully steamed up boilers, a calm sea and ships in sight although at a distance and not in communications contact. The also had water pouring in through damage at the front of the ship.

                So....why did they not just slip her into back-cog and motor over backwards close to the other ship?



                Also, the ship had bulkheads but not reaching the deck, duh! As water flowed in to forward compartments the bow went down and the stern went up until water flowed over the bulkhead and started the undamaged compartments.

                So.... could they have flooded rear compartment to level the ship before undamaged compartments up forward started to flood. I believe the ship's designer was on board and he should have been able to do the necessary sums.

                Oh yes, and I guess they had 2000 or so kapok mattresses on board so why did they not stuff those in the compartments that were going to flood?

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by The Artful Bodger View Post
                  Now about that Titanic business..... IIRC they had 24 fully steamed up boilers, a calm sea and ships in sight although at a distance and not in communications contact. The also had water pouring in through damage at the front of the ship.

                  So....why did they not just slip her into back-cog and motor over backwards close to the other ship?



                  Also, the ship had bulkheads but not reaching the deck, duh! As water flowed in to forward compartments the bow went down and the stern went up until water flowed over the bulkhead and started the undamaged compartments.

                  So.... could they have flooded rear compartment to level the ship before undamaged compartments up forward started to flood. I believe the ship's designer was on board and he should have been able to do the necessary sums.

                  Oh yes, and I guess they had 2000 or so kapok mattresses on board so why did they not stuff those in the compartments that were going to flood?
                  Seconded,, Gaussing is my best move right?

                  Yhe matts? No dice. The water pressre is too high.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by The Artful Bodger View Post
                    Oh yes, and I guess they had 2000 or so kapok mattresses on board so why did they not stuff those in the compartments that were going to flood?

                    \Have you floated in a kapok lately? I have, almost sank to the sand bed, Well I did, then removed the vest. JR

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                    • #85
                      I had read that the Titanic was a "two compartment" ship *, and the plates had been ruptured in three compartments, so the ship was not going to stay afloat. That would not allow a lot of time to go motoring around on the sea.

                      Stuffing things in the hole in the hull can work, I understand, but evidently it was not done, perhaps because it was not practical due to cargo, or whatever. They may not have had appropriate damage control materials on hand. Why would they expect to need it? The Titanic was not a warship, and was built to a cost, although I understand there were cost over-runs that were rather large..

                      There has been some talk of the steel being high in phosphorus, which makes it harder, but less tough, more easily cracked. And may enhance crack propagation as well. I wasn;t there, so I have no idea. All from various scientific discussions and theories which may by now be discredited.

                      * A ship which can float with two compartments flooded, but not with three)
                      CNC machines only go through the motions

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                      • #86
                        There were a couple of hours or more available for going astern towards the other ship(s), going astern might not reduce the inflow much but it would certainly not make it worse.

                        Stuffing up the hull was probably impossible but if they were to block up the passageways and openings above the rising water that would have reduced the sinking rate. They did have about 2000 or so kapok mattresses on hand.

                        Regarding the steel, the most significant damage to the ship before the collision may have been a bunker fire...https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...nic-180961699/

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                        • #87
                          The Big Trick to the Titanic was that the ultimate cause was not any one thing; It was a whole series of issues.

                          Yes, the steel had a lot of phosphorus, and as I recall sulfur in it. That made it more brittle than it should have been, which was made worse by the cold temperatures.

                          Yes, the "waterproof compartments" were poorly designed, and open at the top. They were waterproof only if the water level never got above the tops- which, as more filled, is exactly what happened.

                          The Iceberg supposedly tore open, what, three compartments? And that was too much for the "watertightness", and once they filled, it spilled over to the next, causing basically an unrecoverable chain reaction.

                          It's also speculated that the brittle steel caused an actual hole to open- that is, relatively large sections were knocked out and fell away, rather than just a "gash" that would have let in the water much slower.

                          The command of the ship was also very, very slow in reacting to the incident. It was truly believed the ship was unsinkable, so there was, of course, no cause for alarm until it was too late.

                          There were, in fact, roughly enough lifeboats for everyone, but only if they were loaded to capacity. Many- more than half?- were let away with only a few people aboard.

                          The communications issues, people literally asleep at the switch, misunderstood messages, etc. all contributed, ultimately, to the overall loss of life.

                          If you wanted to point to one, single thing as the cause? The speed. They were going faster than was considered safe, because some of the wealthy passengers wanted to be sure to arrive on time. Had they been travelling at a more conventional rate for the conditions, had the contact even occurred, it probably would have been considerably less severe, and possibly survivable.

                          Doc.
                          Doc's Machine. (Probably not what you expect.)

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                          • #88
                            I have seen everyone, come and go. Like Doc xaid. Ol man Thrud, Some of you might know the name. It was a while ago.

                            We cant be expected to watch for the Dead. That sucks. It seems like Mr. Even might be passed. JR

                            P.S> What you may not know about Evan is he had a sense of humor. Chit you not. He would throw a joke at me, email (I dont do phones). Some of his best work I think..


                            Well. I just dont see the reason? Talking about a person not around, (plus i have a protective bone in my body) JR
                            Last edited by JRouche; 05-02-2022, 02:08 AM.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by A.K. Boomer View Post
                              Not to start the whole thing back up again but I still stand by saying a full grown eagle could snatch and carry off a very young (kid?) goat or sheep off the side of a Mt. wall and glide down with it at a VERY steep angle...

                              one of Me and Evan's all time classics where even the page count alone was mind boggling lol the rescuing all the people of the Titanic by parking the ship by another ice burg and putting everyone on the ice burg argument was futile of me --- I should have never brought that one up. lol

                              and yes, least i can admit my mistakes and im actually grateful for that...
                              Trouble maker!

                              Yes that Titanic saga still lingers in my mind.
                              You had to bring that one up again didn't ya?
                              If this doesn't pull Evan out of the shadows nothing will.

                              Oh by the way, a full grown bald eagle can only lift 5-6 pounds of dead weight.
                              The harpy eagle of Central and South America can carry it's own weight of up to twenty lbs. under ideal conditions.

                              Evan did indeed add a lot of color to the place didn't he? LOL
                              Home, down in the valley behind the Red Angus
                              Bad Decisions Make Good Stories​

                              Location: British Columbia

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by J Tiers View Post
                                I had read that the Titanic was a "two compartment" ship *, and the plates had been ruptured in three compartments, so the ship was not going to stay afloat. )
                                That does not compute, first off if it's only got two compartments how could it be breached in three?

                                The Titanic had 16 compartments, it was designed to still stay afloat even if the first 4 were breached, but as "luck" would have it 5 took a "shellacking" so the ship was doomed as the angle changed water then spilled into the other chambers....

                                other fun facts that im aware of was that it was not just the metal of the ship that was suspect but the rivets that held it together - they were extremely brittle and "popped" opening up seems....

                                The captain was arrogant - bottom line it was he and solely he who was responsible for the excessive speed in an iceberg laden stretch of water, and I guess as large as the ships rudder was - it was also deemed to small for the overall ships size - the beast was hardly what you would call "quick in response"...

                                It's possible the lookouts in the tower had someone of a late call, and it was night so hard to call to begin with, again the Captain was as ass,,,

                                Like Doc stated - so many things added up to "the perfect storm"...

                                When I brought up all stop full reverse and then just put everyone on the iceberg that you just hit or seek out an immediate one in front of you off to the side Evan quickly curtailed my thinking and setting me straight with the fact that "icebergs are not the ideal shape for that --- you don't just step onto them like they are some kinda flat sidewalk"

                                and he was correct !!! but it made me dig deeper and claim "they could have formed a bucket line from the rear ships coal stowage --- they could have spread coal onto the berg and then it would have provided ample traction" lol

                                I was looking for an exit --- he busted me but who knows with the help of one of those square rope netting things maybe something could have been done --- hardly the kind of plan your going to "shift on the fly and immediately put into place" without someone calling you insane and pushing u overboard lol....

                                plus even if you could improvise it - get enough people on top of it and it might just "roll over" and dump everyone into the freezing water lol

                                still - in a half ass attempt to save face, i clung onto the theory like grim death...

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