Evan's RV

[aostling]

Its my guess Evan perhaps using another email address or ID as not to be tracked is reading this Forum right now.

No need for such subterfuge. Safari and DuckDuckGo are search engines which can operate in "private mode" with no tracking.

[wmgeorge]

Its my guess Evan perhaps using another email address or ID as not to be tracked is reading this Forum right now.

[A.K. Boomer]

Not using binoculars is historically correct as the ONE person who had the key to the closet where the binoculars were stored at the last minute didn't take the trip!!! He forgot to hand off his key.
I've been watching a lot of naval stuff on YouTube lately...

It really was the perfect storm --- but A-hole captain was the prime mover...

[RB211]

I took 5 different girls to that movie --- dropped big bucks for me as i was a cheapskate but did like the way the show was put together...

I did not catch the flaw you just stated! but did catch a couple other simple things like them showing the angle of dishes slipping off shelves and it was extreme - then back to the ships angle and it was like half that... ehh, still a good old show i have fond memories of it - that sounds kinda morbid to say. but lotta hot girls I took to that movie

Not using binoculars is historically correct as the ONE person who had the key to the closet where the binoculars were stored at the last minute didn't take the trip!!! He forgot to hand off his key.
I've been watching a lot of naval stuff on YouTube lately...

[A.K. Boomer]

The Titanic , brings back Memories. Evan ..also Memories. I spoke with him once by Phone. I was 6800 feet below the Surface working at a Dark matter Neutrino Laboratory. He was amazed I was working they're? Regardless he seemed like a Nice Fellow. NOW the Titanic I recall going to the movie Theatre to Watch the Movie as it came out. The scene where they were at The Iceberg and yelled ,,hard to Starboard ,,and turned the Steering Wheel to Port. I was the only Fella in the Theatre that yelled out Loud ..you turned Port you fool.. Ha Ha was kind of embarrassing but.. The steering wheel Controls mandated (I own a couple Boats) turning to the Right (wheel going clockwise) makes the Ship go Right Hence steering directly and effectively into the Iceberg. They should of Steered PORT which is Left. Regardless The end result was Chaos and Death a very sad Fact. OH also the Boats watch never ever showed them actually using Binoculars which I also found extremely Unusual. A ill Fated Trip for sure. Funny how the Old brain jogs once in a while.

I took 5 different girls to that movie --- dropped big bucks for me as i was a cheapskate but did like the way the show was put together...

I did not catch the flaw you just stated! but did catch a couple other simple things like them showing the angle of dishes slipping off shelves and it was extreme - then back to the ships angle and it was like half that... ehh, still a good old show i have fond memories of it - that sounds kinda morbid to say. but lotta hot girls I took to that movie

[J Tiers]

................................. This was a large capacity passenger ship and not a warship with a trained crew, and it WAS over 100 years ago. Perhaps resist the urge to apply simplistic and/or modern solutions?

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Something well OVER 100 years ago, the crew would have known what to do. Get a spare sail rigged with ropes, and passed under the hull to cover the hole. Hardly anything more simplistic, and not at all modern. And not very applicable to the Titanic, of course.

The problem seems to have been "being modern".... The ship was boasted to not be sinkable by any reasonable mishap, and the crew probably were not in any way ready to deal with the problem.

Also, the "modern" materials used to make the ship were probably actually defective. It seems that the steel used had a high sulfur content, making it susceptible to brittle fracture at temperatures found in the area it hit the iceberg. That issue was apparently not known at the time, and in fact seems not to have been really understood until about 1950.

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/1995/may/09/flawed-steel-research-finds-steel-used-in-titanic/

The steel, not being known to be a problem, was standard good quality ship steel at the time.

I looked up some info and the ship seems to have actually broken in half, something some survivors claimed they saw. The two pieces of the ship were found something like a quarter of a mile apart, which is obviously not due to hitting the bottom. That certainly seems to bolster the case for brittle fracture.

A couple Liberty ships apparently also cracked in half, possibly from the same sort of cause, also in the north Atlantic. One was apparently welded back together after the pieces were towed to a port, and continued in use.

[A.K. Boomer]

In 2007 I posted a puzzle involving a bicycle. Evan goofed it, but AK Boomer got it right.

https://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/fo...bicycle-puzzle

Wow - what a blast into the past thanks Aostling --- such a long time ago, and too my surprise Evan "adapted" his view, so guess he did have the ability to "backpedal" once in awhile...

Just want to say you guys are all great - what a bunch of analyzers and good brains - at least interested in learning and bettering ourselves, good bunch and im thankful to know you all...

Edit; I read one of Alistairs comments to Evan in there - and it was golden, I sure do miss that guy (Alistair) we have not heard anything in a long while - I sure hope he's still kicking and doing ok - what a great positive spirit on the board...

[mike the mechanic]

The Titanic , brings back Memories. Evan ..also Memories. I spoke with him once by Phone. I was 6800 feet below the Surface working at a Dark matter Neutrino Laboratory. He was amazed I was working they're? Regardless he seemed like a Nice Fellow. NOW the Titanic I recall going to the movie Theatre to Watch the Movie as it came out. The scene where they were at The Iceberg and yelled ,,hard to Starboard ,,and turned the Steering Wheel to Port. I was the only Fella in the Theatre that yelled out Loud ..you turned Port you fool.. Ha Ha was kind of embarrassing but.. The steering wheel Controls mandated (I own a couple Boats) turning to the Right (wheel going clockwise) makes the Ship go Right Hence steering directly and effectively into the Iceberg. They should of Steered PORT which is Left. Regardless The end result was Chaos and Death a very sad Fact. OH also the Boats watch never ever showed them actually using Binoculars which I also found extremely Unusual. A ill Fated Trip for sure. Funny how the Old brain jogs once in a while.

[A.K. Boomer]

Err right, so do something else then, maybe strike up the band and have a sing song on the deck?

Good point, we all know how that turned out lol...

[aostling]

In 2007 I posted a puzzle involving a bicycle. Evan goofed it, but AK Boomer got it right.

https://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/fo...bicycle-puzzle

[The Artful Bodger]

Yep, simple.
I can barely imagine the incredible and numerous logistical difficulties required to move and functionally deploy hundreds of mattresses with any sort of speed (and I AM an emergency manager).

Err right, so do something else then, maybe strike up the band and have a sing song on the deck?

[Joel]

Yep, simple.
Just use scuba gear and wetsuits, neither of which had yet been invented, grab a giant and extremely heavy roll of rubber and toss it on there real quick. Were it stored on the deck (obviously not gonna be the case) and an an appropriate crane ready to go, it would still take quite awhile with a trained crew, under ideal conditions, in a non-emergency situation. Might as well tack on contingencies, equipment and training for the other 100 potential problems that could conceivably occur
I can barely imagine the incredible and numerous logistical difficulties required to move and functionally deploy hundreds of mattresses with any sort of speed (and I AM an emergency manager).

Handling large emergencies in a rapid fashion, under less than ideal conditions, poses many (apparently rather underappreciated) challenges. This was a large capacity passenger ship and not a warship with a trained crew, and it WAS over 100 years ago. Perhaps resist the urge to apply simplistic and/or modern solutions?

Things have changed. Engineering, technology, precision and quality controls have all drastically improved. The understanding and acceptance that training for contingencies is necessary, and the rate of acceptable loss has drastically decreased. As an aside - if you want a firsthand account of why you should go kiss the organizers of the FAA, read 'Fate is the Hunter' by Ernest Gann.

[A.K. Boomer]

Heck - hindsights 20/20, all's that would have been needed is a massive role of rubber backed canvas and a few good divers - actually maybe even just snorkelers...

of course in a wet suit of some kind so they did not freeze to death... water pressure creates the seal, as long as they plan on just staying "dead in the water" and not traveling anywhere...

that's what happens with hindsight - the "shoulda woulda coulda" factors become endless...

[The Artful Bodger]

I have not heard of any serious attempts made to stop or slow the water intake on the Titanic which is somewhat surprising.

[J Tiers]

I do not think anyone here has suggested stuffing things in the breach.

The ship had ten decks and the three (?) damaged compartments were flooded no higher than the water line with initially about five dry decks above that. If they were able to stop up the holes in those decks that would have slowed the rising water level. They had a couple of thousand mattresses on board which would be ideal for stuffing in holes.

The way to stop up the breach is to do it from the outside which is what you do with a collision mat.

Actually I suggested it, and it has been done. You cannot have any "way" on the ship, especially if the holes are in the bow, but as I understand the idea, it's a combination of shoring up timbers against the hole, and getting materials into the hole, even if you have to do it from outside. Shoring up timbers gives somthing to hold the material from just getting pushed in. Yes, collision mat, etc, etc. There are (or were) a number of old Navy damage control instruction movies up on youtube.

It's surprising the number of impossible things people can do when they really have to.