Bad vises...

[rdfeil]

My very first job between high school and college was for a motor and pump shop. The owner learned from his father and uncle. At some point the uncle came up with a funny shaming method for making stupid mistakes into a learning lesson. He had a full sized stuffed crow with a large clamp that it stood on. If someone did something stupid they got to "Eat Crow" and the crow was clamped to their work station. At the end of the month the shop closed at noon on the last Friday and everyone went to a local tavern and steak house for lunch. The person who had the crow paid the tab for everybody. There were normally about 6 including the owner. Some months it would have been cheaper to pay for the mistake. I can attest that it made you learn from your mistakes!!! That crow is still in the shop and still moves around from time to time. The last time I was there it was living on the owners desk lamp. I did not have the balls to ask or laugh........

[Doozer]

Somewhere on the internet,
and damn if I can not find it again,
is a picture of a Lagun brand mill
with about a 1000 holes in the table.
I mean, this table was Swiss cheese.
Zero fukcs given in the most absolute
way. I think it was on PM, but I can't
find it there or anywhere.

--Doozer

[Doozer]

I have a Hendey shaper vise from 1908
as far as I can tell, and there are just
4 or 5 very minor and not very deep
drill point pecks in it. Almost so small
you would not see them if you did not
look close.
It does amaze me that this vise has lasted
100+ years with no bozo marks. I know it
was a shaper vise, but you know how things
go, especially in the time frame of over a
century. Inevitably someone has had the
vise on a drill press or mill at some time.
and virtually no oh sh|t damage.
I hold dear tools like that, where people
actually cared for them, and for such a
long time, they survived. Just awesome.

--Doozer

[JoeLee]

How about this one.

That one looks like swiss cheese. It kind of gives you an indication of the quality of work they user did.

JL...................

[Dan Dubeau]

Ironically the jaws on that don't look too bad. At least the vise stop looks salvageable lol.

[Willy]

That one looks like swiss cheese. It kind of gives you an indication of the quality of work they user did.

JL...................

This is always my first thought too when I see this type damage. Hey I know accidents do happen but this isn't an accident it's their standard mode of operation.

It's no different in other trades either, I've seen "mechanics" that do consistently shoddy work, some that have left out critical brake and suspension fasteners that have led to accidents, yet they still draw a wage from the trade.

I'm sure we can each all come up with anecdotal evidence from other trades as well.
Doctors, lawyers, and indian chiefs are in the same boat as far as I can see as well, often times their incompetence while perhaps more subtle at first glance is often more painful in the long run.

This is why we all really appreciate those with a good work ethic while taking pride in what they do.

[Doozer]

....Doctors, lawyers, and indian chiefs are in the same boat as far as I can see as well, often times their incompetence while perhaps more subtle at first glance is often more painful in the long run.
....

I can see doctors and lawyers being incompliant.
But how many indian chiefs do you know who are
slacking off on the job ? I mean, from watching
Saturday morning cartoons, I really thought that
quick sand was going to be a bigger problem in
life than it actually turned out to be.

----Doozer

[old mart]

Not brutality, more likely poor programming of a CNC.

[J Tiers]

Not brutality, more likely poor programming of a CNC.

Perhaps put the vise on backwards to what the program expected? Body where the part should be.

[eKretz]

Not brutality, more likely poor programming of a CNC.

Dunno. One definition is "great cruelty." I think that was pretty cruel to the poor vise.

[JoeLee]

This is always my first thought too when I see this type damage. Hey I know accidents do happen but this isn't an accident it's their standard mode of operation.

It's no different in other trades either, I've seen "mechanics" that do consistently shoddy work, some that have left out critical brake and suspension fasteners that have led to accidents, yet they still draw a wage from the trade.

I'm sure we can each all come up with anecdotal evidence from other trades as well.
Doctors, lawyers, and indian chiefs are in the same boat as far as I can see as well, often times their incompetence while perhaps more subtle at first glance is often more painful in the long run.

This is why we all really appreciate those with a good work ethic while taking pride in what they do.

Here's my original BP vise..................I've owned this machine since the late 80's ?? The previous owner was also very meticulous.

I've ground the jaws once because the back one was slightly bowed on the face. Must have moved over time. I had to grind the convex side first without locking it down on the chuck then flipped it over and did the other side and then the tops edges.





JL...................

[CLARKMAG]

I made a mistake, so I accented it.

[tomato coupe]

I really thought that
quick sand was going to be a bigger problem in
life than it actually turned out to be.

Same here.

[JRouche]

I've ground the jaws once because the back one was slightly bowed on the face. Must have moved over time. I had to grind the convex side first without locking it down on the chuck then flipped it over and did the other side and then the tops edges.

JL...................

Yeah, grinding the jaws nice. But you have to make them true to the mill right?

Thats all you did, true the precision ground jaws to your setup Aint that a bich. JR

[JoeLee]

Yeah, grinding the jaws nice. But you have to make them true to the mill right?

Thats all you did, true the precision ground jaws to your setup Aint that a bich. JR

Yes, they were true to begin with other than the fixed jaw had a slight outward bow to it. When I tightened down on it I could see the oil and air bubbles come up from between the jaw and the vise. Other than that they were true on all other surfaces. The vise itself is also true. I can indicate across the top of the jaws moving the table and get less than .0002 deviation.

JL..............