OT, which 22cal Air Rifle to buy?

[CalM]

Two striped ground squirrels and a gray squirrel met their strawberry , peach and apricot thieving end today. Compliments of the CO2 powered .22 caliber AR2078

pffft! thwap! ;-)

[JRouche]

WOW the second amendment sounds more complicated then I had been led to believe...
I remember when you could buy kits for rifles like AR-15's down there and you only had to machine a couple of parts to make them complete and I assumed it was legal? Is that option not a thing anymore? Or are you guys just talking about machine guns? They haven't been legal up here since the 30's.
Cheers,
Jon

Yes, machine guns from ar-15s. As late as 1990 you could go to the Pomona Gun show and walk an aisle of parts dealers. One would have the selector, the other the auto sear then trigger, chrome bolt. All within 10 minutes. Machine the lower a lil for clearance and there you go. An M-16.

100% Illegal to possess in the state of Calif back then and now... JR

[Tungsten dipper]

Used to shoot flies at 50 feet with my Crossman 760.

[Bob La Londe]

I had i think a 6 power scope ---- I remember shooting the little battery fill caps off of an old motorcycle battery (about half the size of a dime) one by one about 15 yards away,,, also picking off fly's at the same distance --- very accurate gun...

Ha! Thanks for the memory. I remember hunting horse flies with my Daisy 880.

[A.K. Boomer]

Hmm, my friend is a diver, perhaps a PCP rifle is a good way to go.
In Florida I have an ancient Sheridan Silver Streak .20 cal that is pretty accurate, but I want to keep that in Florida, this new one will be for Maine.

I used to have both the Sheridan 5mm silver streak and the blue streak,,,

those were high quality guns for their time and the pellets looked like bullets not flat tipped they were pointed,,, I rabbit hunted with it all the time when younger, I of course also had mine "hopped up" with a higher compression ratio, I extended the pumping piston down to where it totally bottomed out in the main chamber and this in turn put more pressure into the storage chamber - it was noticeably more difficult to pump but would still take 8 pumps to get it fully loaded --- I believe I also "flowed/port and polished the storage chamber" to create better flow dynamics on it's way to the back of the pellet...

the gun would detonate it's own lubricating oil and cause severe "kick back" while pumping it up so you had to go easy on the 3 in 1 oil...

I had i think a 6 power scope ---- I remember shooting the little battery fill caps off of an old motorcycle battery (about half the size of a dime) one by one about 15 yards away,,, also picking off fly's at the same distance --- very accurate gun...

rifled barrel --- one pump and shoot it directly into the frozen creek out back of our house and the pellet would go into the ice about a half inch and pop back out spinning like a top !

I had allot of fun with those guns - one got stolen --- can't remember what I did with the other.... not into any kinda guns anymore but sure do like my compound bow... whole nuther ballgame....

[Bob La Londe]

Machine guns, we can still build our own from 80% receivers if we want.

More states are placing restrictions on home built guns. Illinois just joined that list.

Generally, yes we can still home build guns, but not machine guns.

To further muddy the waters there is a new grey area around 80% receivers and parts kits packaged together due to new arbitrary BATFE rules.

[RB211]

WOW the second amendment sounds more complicated then I had been led to believe...
I remember when you could buy kits for rifles like AR-15's down there and you only had to machine a couple of parts to make them complete and I assumed it was legal? Is that option not a thing anymore? Or are you guys just talking about machine guns? They haven't been legal up here since the 30's.
Cheers,
Jon

Machine guns, we can still build our own from 80% receivers if we want.

[Jon Heron]

WOW the second amendment sounds more complicated then I had been led to believe...
I remember when you could buy kits for rifles like AR-15's down there and you only had to machine a couple of parts to make them complete and I assumed it was legal? Is that option not a thing anymore? Or are you guys just talking about machine guns? They haven't been legal up here since the 30's.
Cheers,
Jon

[Doc Nickel]

Oh, and costs: On top of the cost of the FFL, a SOT is $1,000 a year, and if you are 'manufacturing', that's an additional $2,500 a year. And said manufacturer has to have a legitimate, definable, verifiable purpose to such manufacture- things like "shooting range rental" are legit, only as long as you're actually offering that service. "Collecting" is not legit. Renting to movies is, but like the range thing, you have to actually participate. All of the licensing gets stripped in a hurry- and on a whim- if you're not actively applying them.

Doc.

[Doc Nickel]

I wouldn't call adding Special Occupational Taxpayer status to a Class III Federal Firearms License "easier".

To say nothing of the physical requirements- mandated secure storage, an alarm system, you have to have a copy of the tax stamp with you when taking the weapon to the range, etc.

I mean it's possible, yes, whereas not that long ago it wasn't even possible, but it's sure not a process I'd call "easy". (Or cheap, or quick, etc. I'm told to get to the C2 or C3 SOT, from scratch, is a two to three year process, depending on how friendly your local constabulary is.)

It's also worth noting that this is another one of the things that Chipman was going to crack down on, if he got in. And again, since very little of it is actual congressonal-enacted law, they could change it at a him, based only on the opinions of the director.

Doc.

[RB211]

Like I said, easier than ever to legally make machine guns, get your FFL, become an SOT.
Funny how you all say it's not easier, then admit it actually is.. Yes, you make samples for your own use, most of the time you do need to destroy them, but not always. One of my buddies just got his FFL, and is now considering his SOT, in the wonderful state of Virginia.
Who cares if it's for personal use only??? Isn't that the point???
Bigger hurdle is affording the ammo to feed them! You're licensed, the Feds know who you are, what you have, and know what you do with them. They seem to be ok with it as long as they have you pegged in the system. They know these guys aren't the problem.

[Bob La Londe]

-No, it absolutely is not. It's easier, paperwork-wise, to buy one, as online applications and the like have sped up the paperwork and background searches, but no new civillian machine guns have been legal to manufacture since 1986. And that includes conversions.

If you're a licensed manufacturer, you can make prototypes ostensibly to offer to the military and police, but those cannot be sold or traded

Doc.

Exactly right, and if you can't sell them you have to destroy them.

[Doc Nickel]

Strangely, it is now easier than ever it seems to get the licenses to build your own machine guns.

-No, it absolutely is not. It's easier, paperwork-wise, to buy one, as online applications and the like have sped up the paperwork and background searches, but no new civillian machine guns have been legal to manufacture since 1986. And that includes conversions.

If you're a licensed manufacturer, you can make prototypes ostensibly to offer to the military and police, but those cannot be sold or traded

Doc.

[danlb]

and more importantly, a gun friendly local government.

Quite true. I live in a nice little middle class town. The local ordinance says that you can have an airgun shooting gallery inside the house or in your yard. All you have to do is to get it approved by the Police department.

The problem is that when I called the police department to find out how I get it approved, I was told that you submit a request to the police chief. I was also told not to bother since the Chief of Police refuses to authorize any. None in 15 years in office. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

[JRouche]

Strangely, it is now easier than ever it seems to get the licenses to build your own machine guns. One would have to be pretty stupid to not stay legal. You might have to move to a more gun friendly state, and more importantly, a gun friendly local government.

Machine guns?? I dont think so. They are still covered under the ATF, the Feds. States cant change that. I think the reason people do it illegally is because they dont want to shell out the big bucks for a legit license. JR