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  • "Tiny" Independent 4 jaw

    I think I am looking around for a "small" independent 4 jaw.

    Some time back I saw Steffen Gottswinter (spelling) make a video where he used offset drilled bushings to grind off center tool shanks. This is handy for making things like boring bars threading tools, and inside grooving tools. You can even make a single form single flute thread mill this way in a pinch. Basically an inside threading tool.

    I certainly could do this and its pretty easy. I just need to decide what sizes I want to make first, and how far they should be offset. For any particular tool I think they would strongest if the offset is only enough to make that particular tool. I have made tool and drill bushings before. Solid and split both. I have run my solid bushings at upto 34,000 rpm (some of them, and I've got a split bushing for a drill that I use at 5,000 all the time. I'm confident in my ability to make them. The thing is for this purpose I might have to make dozens of them eventually.

    This morning I was watching Steve Summers video on setting up a 4 jaw to use on his tool and cutter grinder to grind offset clearance diameters like Steffen's bushings, but you just dial it in on the 4 jaw. When your offset is ground switch it to a collet to grind in the tool's cutting surfaces/edges.

    Steve used a much larger chuck than I would have chosen. I don't think I could fit that on my little single lip tool and cutter grinder (d-bit grinder). I think a little 2 inch or maybe 3 inch that would open to hold upto a piece of half inch carbide or HSS would be perfect for me. They make scroll chucks that small. I have a couple (I use them like centers on rotating arbors), but they are scroll chucks. I have not seen an independent jaw that small.

    Quality doesn't even have to be all that great. It's just for grinding a clearance offset to allow for maximum remaining material for strength. The important griding all comes after its swapped back to a collet.​
    --
    Bob La Londe
    Professional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a "Real" machinist​
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I always wanted a welding stinger that looked like the north end of a south bound chicken. Often my welds look like somebody pointed the wrong end of a chicken at the joint and squeezed until something came out. Might as well look the part.

  • #2
    Something like either of these randomly chosen examples?
    .
    ."https://www.amazon.ca/Independent-Lathe-Chuck-Arbor-UNF-AMZN/dp/B0BX6CJHRJ"
    4 Jaw 2" Inch 50mm Independent Mini Lathe Chuck M14 x 1 & R8 Arbor 7/16" UNF.-AMZN

    "https://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=6084"
    Lathe Chuck, 4-Jaw 3" Independent, Premium, Harlingen​

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    • #3
      If it’s just an offset, a vee face 2 jaw independent Chuck would do I suppose , a lot easier to make than 4 , just a thought , my last deliberate offset was just a round bar drilled off centre then held in a 3 jaw , fairly old school wonkey wobbly bushy thingy
      as opposed to my accidental offsets that won’t be mentioned ( practice cams!)
      mark

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      • #4
        Originally posted by EddyCurr View Post
        Something like either of these randomly chosen examples?
        .
        ."https://www.amazon.ca/Independent-Lathe-Chuck-Arbor-UNF-AMZN/dp/B0BX6CJHRJ"
        4 Jaw 2" Inch 50mm Independent Mini Lathe Chuck M14 x 1 & R8 Arbor 7/16" UNF.-AMZN

        "https://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=6084"
        Lathe Chuck, 4-Jaw 3" Independent, Premium, Harlingen​
        I'm not a fan of Amazon so I didn't even look there, but I swear I checked Little Machine Shop. LOL.

        Yeah, something along those lines.
        --
        Bob La Londe
        Professional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a "Real" machinist​
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        I always wanted a welding stinger that looked like the north end of a south bound chicken. Often my welds look like somebody pointed the wrong end of a chicken at the joint and squeezed until something came out. Might as well look the part.

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        • #5
          I believe the currency conversion works out to US$ 56 for the £45.12 Excl.VAT 80mm (3-5/32") cast iron chuck on Arc Eurotrade's site
          .
          https://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catal...Chinese-Origin
          040-040-10500 80mm* 4 Jaw Independent Cast Iron Lathe Chucks - Chinese Origin

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          • #6
            Watch out for monkeys selling four jaws made out of ZINC, not my idea of a chuck. There are several 50mm, 65mm and 80mm cast iron four jaw independents on ebay not expensive, so a new one would be worth getting rather than taking a chance on a used one.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bob La Londe View Post

              I'm not a fan of Amazon so I didn't even look there ...
              Well, the initial post DID include the proviso "Quality doesn't even have to be all that great."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by EddyCurr View Post

                Well, the initial post DID include the proviso "Quality doesn't even have to be all that great."
                That's true. Its just for grinding clearance after all. Not even for grinding relief.


                I've since found a number of these down to 50MM (12mm capacity). I guess me first look was just not very good. 12mm is smaller than my target capacity, but I can adapt. Maybe two of them. One as shipped (more or less) and one with jaws ground to accept upto 5/8.​
                --
                Bob La Londe
                Professional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a "Real" machinist​
                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                I always wanted a welding stinger that looked like the north end of a south bound chicken. Often my welds look like somebody pointed the wrong end of a chicken at the joint and squeezed until something came out. Might as well look the part.

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                • #9
                  The old "AA" or "109" 6 x 12 lathe used a tiny 4 jaw. The spindle was 1/2-20 (some 1/2-24) and the chuck was no more than a couple inches diameter.

                  If the "doesn't have to be that good" is correct, that chuck, which is in circulation on ebay etc from the old 109 machines, fits the bill.
                  CNC machines only go through the motions.

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                  • #10
                    I have not dealt with RDG Tools in the UK, but for US$ 51 £41.25 Excl.VAT they list an "Economy" 50mm 4-jaw Independent targeted for use on Emco lathes
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                    https://www.rdgtools.co.uk/acatalog/...x-1-10867.html
                    Ref: 10867 50mm 4 jaw independent economy lathe chuck reversible jaws 12 x 1​

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                    • #11
                      Sherline stuff is pretty good...

                      Regards, Marv

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                      Location: LA, CA, USA

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                      • #12
                        I seem to recall that Stefan did what was essentially a two jaw setup using a faceplate.

                        FOUND IT!

                        (7) Offcenter chuck - YouTube

                        Seems like something similar might give you both the holding and clearance you want for doing these pins. And having a "V" means that you would not be diameter limited.
                        Chilliwack BC, Canada

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BCRider View Post
                          I seem to recall that Stefan did what was essentially a two jaw setup using a faceplate.

                          FOUND IT!

                          (7) Offcenter chuck - YouTube

                          Seems like something similar might give you both the holding and clearance you want for doing these pins. And having a "V" means that you would not be diameter limited.
                          I wonder why he didn't use that for off center clearance grinding tools on the tool and cutter grinder.
                          --
                          Bob La Londe
                          Professional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a "Real" machinist​
                          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                          I always wanted a welding stinger that looked like the north end of a south bound chicken. Often my welds look like somebody pointed the wrong end of a chicken at the joint and squeezed until something came out. Might as well look the part.

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                          • #14
                            I have the Sherline chuck that Marv mentioned. Very good quality. I also have the Taig one and it is also well made but slightly larger (3"?)

                            Geoff

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                            • #15
                              +1 on the Taig 4 jaw. I’ve had one for a long time, 15 years, maybe more.
                              I cut it off twice; it's still too short
                              Oregon, USA

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