OT good flying, but risky

[Glug]

It is a great show. Well worth seeing in person. The hair on the back of your neck won't stand up when watching them on TeeVee. The new Growler version of the F18 is very loud. Earplugs essential.

Often the practice airshows are even better, due to smaller crowds.. If you can find out the schedule. And sometimes it's difficult to figure the actual show time vs. the other plane show times. They might say it starts at noon, but the BA show isn't until 3.

[JRouche]

It is a great show. Well worth seeing in person. The hair on the back of your neck won't stand up when watching them on TeeVee. The new Growler version of the F18 is very loud. Earplugs essential.

Often the practice airshows are even better, due to smaller crowds.. If you can find out the schedule. And sometimes it's difficult to figure the actual show time vs. the other plane show times. They might say it starts at noon, but the BA show isn't until 3.

I would love to go to one. Been here for 40 years and they have one at one of the airports here. Never been, too many people. To congested.

Ill bet the noise, smell of fuel and just crazines is over the top. From where I was I could tell this jet was on full afterburner but was too fast, under the sonic issues with doing a show in populated areas, not a Navy jet, it was small. JR

[Glug]

Local knowledge will often allow you to watch from an uncrowded area. I am fortunate to be an area with lots of fairly easy access and not very large crowds. Large airport shows are probably different. My last show, I sat at the end of a pier, in front of everyone and beyond the railing. It was quite nice, and cool mid summer. And even the pier was not that crowded. But also, the practice day - usually on friday - is ideal to avoid crowds.

That small jet, I'd guess that is the MIG 17. Back in the era where it was a pilot strapped to a jet engine. Small, lots of afterburner.

The YAK-100 is a really neat plane. Let's take two powerful stunt planes, connect them together, with the jet engine from a Lear jet between them.. There are some good videos. But like all these planes, it's just not the same as being there.

https://www.historynet.com/twin-yak-aerobat-the-yak-110/

[A.K. Boomer]

That things nuts lol you can bet it likes "a sip of the fuel",,, I wonder if there would have been any bennies with making a counter rotating engine and prop to eliminate torque roll, that way trim could be totally neutral and perhaps performance slightly enhanced... wonder what direction the turbine is going...

https://youtu.be/gO_iknbxiCs

[The Artful Bodger]

That things nuts lol you can bet it likes "a sip of the fuel",,, I wonder if there would have been any bennies with making a counter rotating engine and prop to eliminate torque roll, that way trim could be totally neutral and perhaps performance slightly enhanced... wonder what direction the turbine is going...

https://youtu.be/gO_iknbxiCs

There are many multi engine aircraft with contra rotating propellers and even quite a few with contra rotating coaxial propeller setups.

Do not get torque roll from engine torque reaction confused with wake turbulence which arises aerodynamically.

[A.K. Boomer]

There are many multi engine aircraft with contra rotating propellers and even quite a few with contra rotating coaxial propeller setups.

Yes there are indeed - and there is a reason for that in fact one of the main ones is the one I brought up

Do not get torque roll from engine torque reaction confused with wake turbulence which arises aerodynamically.

Oh im not, "torque roll" is just that... and the engines "counterreaction" is totally dependent on which way the prop is rotating....

Nobody here got it confused with "wake turbulence" well almost nobody...

[Paul Alciatore]

The last thing we want is escalation. At the present time we are accomplishing what the US and NATO in over 50 years of the cold war could not. We are DISARMING Russia. Russian flag ship SUNK! Other Russian ships SUNK. Thousands of tanks DESTROYED. They are using up their arsenal of tactical missiles. Dozens, if not hundreds of their generals DEAD. The equipment and ammunition losses are tremendous and the Russian economy can not replace them very quickly. It will take them decades to build their armed forces back. And they will have a devil of a time getting the computer chips needed for the "smart" weapons.

And not even one US or NATO life has been lost. The strategy is brilliant and it probably came from the Pentagon or from NATO or both. From the military people, not the politicians. And it probably quietly started years ago when Russia marched into Crimea.

No, we do not want to escalate this. I suspect the guidelines for drone operations will either remain the same or be made more stringent. Russia is the one who is trying to escalate it. And I hope and pray they can not. We can tolerate the loss of one or even a few drones.

I am ex-Army and as far as I am concerned, MONEY WELL SPENT!

...<snip>...

Next time a drone is doing nothing wrong and gets harassed I hope there's a different set of guidelines in place....

[MichaelP]

Agree. But if we take into consideration the number of Ukrainians suffering, dying, becoming incapacitated and orphaned every single day, the picture is becoming a bit less rosy. Yes, we're slowly demilitarizing Russia, but at what cost? "The happiness of the whole world is not worth one tear on the cheek of an innocent child", remember?

I perfectly understand what you're saying. Yes, we are dealing with a little bastard with Napoleon complex and WMD. But maybe we're afraid of him a bit too much...

[A.K. Boomer]

And not even one US or NATO life has been lost.

I think your leaving a few people out don't you?

[A.K. Boomer]

Agree. But if we take into consideration the number of Ukrainians suffering, dying, becoming incapacitated and orphaned every single day, the picture is becoming a bit less rosy. Yes, we're slowly demilitarizing Russia, but at what cost? "The happiness of the whole world is not worth one tear on the cheek of an innocent child", remember?

I perfectly understand what you're saying. Yes, we are dealing with a little bastard with Napoleon complex and WMD. But maybe we're afraid of him a bit too much...

I'll tell you what's a real puzzler,,, many of the folk I know who were fully on board with a "past war" with a country that really had nothing to do with the situation that made us "blood hungry" seemed to be "ok" with spending freaking trillions to destabilize an area - throw it into chaos - create a power void that actually gave birth to even worse adversary's and one that actually derailed keeping another "thug" country in the area in check are all the sudden whining about trying to keep an entire legit nation from getting exterminated --- again fully on board with the previous but mass genocide is perfectly fine to just sit back and watch? with total proof that he's been clawing his way back step by step and is not going to stop? well --- ok, no further questions....

[MichaelP]

Yep, looks like we have a shortage of real experts in the areas of the world we get involved in. And, on top of it, our (I mean the collective West) political leaders are not up to the task, apparently.

[JRouche]

[QUOTE=Glug;n2040413
That small jet, I'd guess that is the MIG 17. Back in the era where it was a pilot strapped to a jet engine. Small, lots of afterburner.

[/QUOTE]


All Migs were a thing to consider, Still, our motto, If it Flys, It dies, Just the way it is.

I shot 30f missiles at other r missiles. The sloe air crat like those Birds, Too slow, dead target. JED

[RB211]

And I wouldn't call it, "good flying".

[wierdscience]

I'll tell you what's a real puzzler,,, many of the folk I know who were fully on board with a "past war" with a country that really had nothing to do with the situation that made us "blood hungry" seemed to be "ok" with spending freaking trillions to destabilize an area - throw it into chaos - create a power void that actually gave birth to even worse adversary's and one that actually derailed keeping another "thug" country in the area in check are all the sudden whining about trying to keep an entire legit nation from getting exterminated --- again fully on board with the previous but mass genocide is perfectly fine to just sit back and watch? with total proof that he's been clawing his way back step by step and is not going to stop? well --- ok, no further questions....

Washington establishment and K street lobbyists, the defense contractors are making bank, again, good for their stock portfolio though and isn't that what really matters anyway?