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Originally posted by Mike Amick
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You have a tank?
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That would rock! But it appears that Mike has a Mil surplus gyro that he believes may likely have come from a tank.Location: North Central TexasComment
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Ok when a gyro is spun up it settles in a particular position? If that is the case, and it has no memory then something influenced it to go to that position?
what is the somthing that did it?
im in the dark myself, a magnetic compass settlement is along the line of influence, not north, if it’s near a wire or the hull of a ship it will be influenced
are gyroscopes similar , is the ferromagnetic rotor thus influenced.
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Yes you got it !!! it Fixes itself to the universe lolOriginally posted by boslab View Post
Dammit Mark -- NO!!! it goes into the position that it spools up into - it goes into any position that it was last stagnant - and then stays there WHILE SPOOLED....
There's NO memory --- it goes totally random --- but after being spooled THERE IS MEMORY of the position in which it was spooled up in... got it???Comment
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You keep harping on this same point, yet the statement actually paints a pretty good picture of the behavior of an undisturbed gyroscope. You might want to spend more time thinking about what it means on a deeper level, rather than just complaining about how the word "universe" is being used in this context. You could start by reading the article linked in a previous post:Originally posted by A.K. Boomer View Post
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This is BS, there is no memory.
This is how religions are founded. Someone observes, hears or imagines something and he creates a fancy fairy tale to explain it which then he preaches as the solitary truth.Comment
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And we see that here. The word seems to be "fixed" in this case.Originally posted by J Tiers View PostCNC machines only go through the motions.
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When it goes to the same position it would infer that that position has somehow been retained , now in the case of an elastic material it will ( within the elastic range) return to the previous or unloaded position, i can visualise that, what I can’t understand is how this collection of parts would return to that position, but only when it has energy to do it, a magnetic compass also requires energy to achieve movement to position, I know a gyroscope stays in position, what I did not know was the thing has one preferred position , or is that my fundamental mistake ( I make a lot of them btw) no memory = any position will be held, but the same one while rotational energy ( omega) is available.
memory = the same place every time the system has rotational energy ( omega) to return to that fixed point.
or simply it just keeps its frame of reference while spinning.
when I used to ride my motorbike to work I used the system of counter steering to change direction, push right go right push left go left, very easy to drop a heavy bike into a tight cornering without fighting, this apparently used the gyroscopic effect of the spinning front wheel, only works when you have enough speed, say 35 mph , not much lower or you’d drop the bike!
learning this way to ride a bike was quite a step change for me, much easier to control a motorcycle and I’m grateful to the policeman who taught us
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A gyroscope does not have a preferred position any more than a ball has a preferred direction when I throw it.Originally posted by boslab View Post
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It's a gyrocompass that will orient to north. That was stated above. And the "north" is oriented along the earth's axis.Originally posted by The Artful Bodger View PostCNC machines only go through the motions.
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The reasoning behind why im addiment on this is due to others taking what he said the wrong way - or better put - the way he described it - see post 108 sure as hell it's happened again and again, like you spool up a gyro and it immediately "seeks" - changes the positioning of its axis and then "locks" into a position that "aligns" with "the universe" again read post 108... and others....Originally posted by tomato coupe View PostYou keep harping on this same point, yet the statement actually paints a pretty good picture of the behavior of an undisturbed gyroscope. You might want to spend more time thinking about what it means on a deeper level, rather than just complaining about how the word "universe" is being used in this context. You could start by reading the article linked in a previous post:
The best description you can add to "universe" when speaking of a gyro is to include "sal" to it ,that the gyro obeys the universal laws of inertial physics...
I read much of your "Machtonian" examples in the link you provided, and early on Albert even adopted some of them,
but here's this from britannica;
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See all related content → Mach’s principle, in cosmology, hypothesis that the inertial forces experienced by a body in nonuniform motion are determined by the quantity and distribution of matter in the universe. It was so called by Albert Einstein after the 19th-century Austrian physicist and philosopher Ernst Mach. Einstein found the hypothesis helpful in formulating his theory of general relativity—i.e., it was suggestive of a connection between geometry and matter—and attributed the idea to Mach, unaware that the English philosopher George Berkeley had proposed similar views during the 1700s. (Berkeley had argued that all motion, both uniform and nonuniform, was relative to the distant stars.) Einstein later abandoned the principle when it was realized that inertia is implicit in the geodesic equation of motion and need not depend on the existence of matter elsewhere in the universe. The Editors of Encyclopaedia BritannicaComment
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No one has suggested that a gyro does that. If people are "taking what he said the wrong way", it's on you, because you keep repeating it and falsely attributing it to him.Originally posted by A.K. Boomer View Post
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Bullocks! im the one (and a few others) who's been trying to correct the obvious misguided information, You think he got this from me/them?;Originally posted by tomato coupe View Post
"Ok when a gyro is spun up it settles in a particular position? If that is the case, and it has no memory then something influenced it to go to that position?
what is the somthing that did it?"
Please show me where, and then I will show you the statement where it actually originated - thanks...Last edited by A.K. Boomer; 05-15-2023, 11:22 AM.Comment
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Again, no one else has stated that a gyro seeks out a particular orientation in the universe. You dreamed that up and falsely attributed it to someone else. The idea is your baby -- you created it.Originally posted by A.K. Boomer View PostComment
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With a statement like this "The gyroscope is locked to the universe" nobody else had too...Originally posted by tomato coupe View Post
It's all good - I spoke my piece - if it spirals out of control again then just deal with it or you police it...Comment
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