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    This computer was used to run my CNC Hot wire cutter, so not completely off machining subject.

    I have this old Dell with Windows 7 Pro, that will not boot up. It comes up with a flashing cursor in the upper left hand corner of the screen.No beeps from the mother board. The hard drive is spinning and the fans are running.
    Had this booted up last spring and it was fine then.

    Thing I've done so far:
    Re-seated memory
    New cmos battery
    Reinstalled all wires plugged into mother board

    Gary Davison
    Tarkio, Mo.

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    You might check to see if the CMOS has the correct "boot source" listed.

    There is usually a way to access the CMOS setup during the boot process. A key combination. I do not know the one for your Dell, Dell sometimes does things differently. If you have the info for the machine, it should be in there. It may just be a particular function key, which you hit while the thing is booting (or trying to). Might be F12, or F10, etc. Try to start it, and keep hitting one of the function keys. If no joy, repeat, trying a different one.

    You should be able to get to a CMOS setup screen, if the machine is generally capable of working. Then you can see if the setup selections (date, time, boot sequence, etc) make sense.

    The "boot source" just points to the drive that has the Windows boot file. If it cannot access that, then basically nothing will happen. Normally it ought to default to C:, but that might have gotten corrupted. Often you have a choice, C:, or if the thing has floppy drives, A:. If it has USB ports, then one of those may be selectable. There is usually a sequence, like A:, then C:, or D: (USB) then C:, so that you can boot it from a different source if need be.

    If you find the correct key combo, and it will not show you the CMOS screen, then there is a different issue.
    Last edited by J Tiers; 09-03-2023, 11:40 PM.
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    • #3
      If you can't get the CMOS setup screen or even see anything on the screen, the first thing I would check is the power supply. You should be able to find +5 Volts and +12 Volts on the power connector for the mother board. Possible +3.3 Volts too. You can check with an analog or digital VOM.

      If you don't find at least the +5 V and the +12 V, then repair or replace the power supply. Electrolytic capacitors often go bad after years of use so they are a frequent problem. They can leak fluids or the ends can become puffed out: both of these are signs of a bad capacitor.
      Paul A.
      Golden Triangle, SE Texas

      And if you look REAL close at an analog signal,
      You will find that it has discrete steps.

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      • #4
        Although there are several combinations, I believe the F12 key will get you into
        the CMOS.
        If power supply is good I have went on ebay and purchased a hard drive with WIn7
        and installed it as my primary drive and used my old drive as a second HD with full
        access to all my files and stuff.
        olf20 / Bob

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        • #5
          Booting last spring but not now does sorta suggest a CMOS battery issue. Have you verified that new one is in fact a good one? ...just a thought.
          Lynn (Huntsville, AL)

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          • #6
            check for blown caps too...

            sam

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            • #7
              Most Dells use F2 or F12 to access the CMOS. If the keep-alive battery died, the CMOS is probably scrambled.

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              • #8
                Sometimes mine won't boot up if there is a USB device plugged in.
                Remove the USB device, and it boots up.
                Larry

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by metalfixer View Post
                  Sometimes mine won't boot up if there is a USB device plugged in.
                  Remove the USB device, and it boots up.
                  Larry
                  You likely have a "boot from USB first" set up. That's actually good, since you will be able to boot even if C: is NBG, with a chance to fix things..
                  CNC machines only go through the motions.

                  Ideas expressed may be mine, or from anyone else in the universe.
                  Not responsible for clerical errors. Or those made by lay people either.
                  Number formats and units may be chosen at random depending on what day it is.
                  I reserve the right to use a number system with any integer base without prior notice.
                  Generalizations are understood to be "often" true, but not true in every case.

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                  • #10
                    If I read this right, he's saying the BIOS isn't even posting. A bad CMOS battery or no CMOS battery will not prevent a post from BIOS. Having the wrong boot device, or bad boot device also should not prevent a BIOS post, and the OS would say "No System Disk or Disk Error"
                    Of course it is a Dell, and they are notorious for not doing things the standard way...

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                    • #11
                      No half measures.


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                      • #12
                        Thinks everyone your input. I'll do more checking this week.
                        Gary Davison
                        Tarkio, Mo.

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                        • #13
                          Sounds like a bootstrap issue. For sure the battery, sounds like. JR

                          Its kinda a joke really. A bootstrap command is one of the most basic commands. All systems still use it. Its mostly ignored. It is the simple lil program that fires off the main processor.

                          And yes, more often than not it is witha rechargeable battery. CMOS/// JR
                          Last edited by JRouche; 09-05-2023, 04:33 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JRouche View Post
                            Sounds like a bootstrap issue. For sure the battery, sounds like. JR

                            Its kinda a joke really. A bootstrap command is one of the most basic commands. All systems still use it. Its mostly ignored. It is the simple lil program that fires off the main processor.

                            And yes, more often than not it is witha rechargeable battery. CMOS/// JR
                            No, CMOS battery is simply used to keep settings when powered off and run the real time clock so the motherboard always knows the time. This is why when the battery goes dead you have to reset the date/time. The BIOS is the basic operating system that gets the CPU going and associated hardware, boot devices, etc. If the BIOS isn't posting, maybe the power supply has an issue on one of the legs or a hardware issue on the motherboard.
                            What needs to be determined is if infact the BIOS isn't posting or if it is hidden. Dell probably has some stupid custom firmware confusing things.

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                            • #15
                              Does the PC have a speaker? The mother board will try to tell you what is wrong with a beep code. Usually, if it doesn't even get that far, the board is bad.
                              Computer beep codes and other POST issues. Page includes AMI, Award, Dell, IBM, and Phoenix BIOS beep code help and information.

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