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    The problems continue uncorrected for many weeks now. It is a shame that the new "powers that be" will do nothing to correct the loading problems. I just made twelve attempts to log on, and it locked up every time.

    This is being caused by the Haas ad, and maybe some other ones. I do not intend to be going through a bunch of gyrations and adding programs or software to my computer to enable me to see their ads, so don't offer me a "solution". The problem should be addressed by them.
    Jim H.

  • #2
    Not offering any workrounds JC but I don't see any adverts on the PM site so I don't have this problem.
    I see very few on other sites as well.

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    Sir John , Earl of Bligeport & Sudspumpwater. MBE [ Motor Bike Engineer ] Nottingham England.



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    • #3
      I'll give you a solution anyway.

      Copy and paste this into Notepad.

      Code:
      # Copyright (c) 1993-1999 Microsoft Corp.
      #
      # This is a sample HOSTS file used by Microsoft TCP/IP for Windows.
      #
      # This file contains the mappings of IP addresses to host names. Each
      # entry should be kept on an individual line. The IP address should
      # be placed in the first column followed by the corresponding host name.
      # The IP address and the host name should be separated by at least one
      # space.
      #
      # Additionally, comments (such as these) may be inserted on individual
      # lines or following the machine name denoted by a '#' symbol.
      #
      # For example:
      #
      #      102.54.94.97     rhino.acme.com          # source server
      #       38.25.63.10     x.acme.com              # x client host
      
      127.0.0.1 localhost
      127.0.0.1 pagead2.googlesyndication.com
      127.0.0.1 services.google.com
      127.0.0.1 adwords.google.com
      127.0.0.1 a.practicalmachinist.com
      127.0.0.1 googlesyndication.com
      127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.net
      Save it in the dirctory c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc

      Use the filename "hosts" with no extension and be sure to include the quotes in the file name. Ensure that in Notepad you select the saving file type as "All files".

      This will prevent all ads from displaying or even being loaded. It has no other effect. If you are running Spybot SD then re-immunize the system.

      Alternatively you may simply edit the hosts file and add the entries in the code above that are not preceded by the # character.
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      • #4
        It is interesting that I sometimes have a problem for a few minutes at a different computer that uses IE, and does NOT have the Macromedia "Flash.ocx" loaded. Since I can't change that one, I deal with it.

        This one uses Mozilla, and has yet to have any problem. I don't think it has "flash.ocx" either.......

        I think, frankly, that YOUR machine has the problem, in that it does not handle a common add-on correctly.

        After all, there are a lot of websites that (stupidly) will not even let you access the site unless you have that, or other silly add-ons.

        I think that is a stupid thing to do, but what do you expect from website geeks? They all seem to think that you MUST download the latest gew-gaw and run next year's software.

        Fixing the issue might help you with many OTHER sites as well. It isn't unique to PM. Evan's solution will no doubt work, but may not be the best for you.

        In any event, this just might be a case where you need to bite the bullet and get somehow into modern times, like maybe at least to about 1750 AD......
        1601

        Keep eye on ball.
        Hashim Khan

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        • #5
          My solution only blocks access to certain popular adservers. It won't block Flash if the site uses flash, only when flash is in an ad served by one of the blocked sites.

          Incidentally, the hosts file blocking will work on any version of Windows. The location of the hosts file will vary and it may not exist on Win 95 or Win 98. If not then it should be placed in the c:\windows\system folder.
          Last edited by Evan; 09-10-2006, 10:00 AM.
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          • #6
            I suspect that many mechanical types like myself consider the computer as a tool, not a toy or way of life. I can survive very well without websites that do not allow easy access, but they cannot survive very well without subscribers.

            My computer is a year old, (I know that is ancient) it has Windows XP and a large memory. I don't know or care what ever other goodies. I have dialup and that is all I need to do what I want to do.

            The less time spent here, the more time spent on other pursuits.
            Jim H.

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            • #7
              JC, blocking the ads will save quite a bit of time on page loads using dialup.
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              • #8
                Not using the site will save immeasurably more time.
                Jim H.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by J Tiers
                  It is interesting that I sometimes have a problem for a few minutes at a different computer that uses IE, and does NOT have the Macromedia "Flash.ocx" loaded. Since I can't change that one, I deal with it.

                  This one uses Mozilla, and has yet to have any problem. I don't think it has "flash.ocx" either.......

                  I think, frankly, that YOUR machine has the problem, in that it does not handle a common add-on correctly.

                  After all, there are a lot of websites that (stupidly) will not even let you access the site unless you have that, or other silly add-ons.

                  I think that is a stupid thing to do, but what do you expect from website geeks? They all seem to think that you MUST download the latest gew-gaw and run next year's software.

                  Fixing the issue might help you with many OTHER sites as well. It isn't unique to PM. Evan's solution will no doubt work, but may not be the best for you.

                  In any event, this just might be a case where you need to bite the bullet and get somehow into modern times, like maybe at least to about 1750 AD......
                  It is typical arrogant website punk stuff.... if you are not running the latest stuff, you don't deserve to live.

                  Who said that?
                  Jim H.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by J Tiers
                    I think, frankly, that YOUR machine has the problem, in that it does not handle a common [Flash] add-on correctly.
                    The flotilla of flashing, animated ads are definitely part of PM's problem, and can be seen when you first load a new page, or refresh the main page.

                    However, a large part of PM's problem is server load and a lousy network connection in California, where the server is hosted.

                    Like many PM participants, I have the ads filtered out, but was still getting severe load issues, posting issues, and server timeouts. When Don disabled the General archive (which reduces the number of SQL indexes it has to do with every new post), it fixed most of these problems.

                    Unfortunately, as the temporary forum fills up, the server load will increase again, and we'll start having the timeouts and looonnnnngggg posting time issues again.

                    However, as I'm sure everyone here has noticed, the activity on PracticalMachinist has dropped way off as the server and ad problems have gotten worse. That's going to solve a lot of the problem all by itself

                    Fixing the issue might help you with many OTHER sites as well. It isn't unique to PM.
                    Many (most) of us frequent many other web forums, using the same forum software, and PM is the only page having this issue.

                    Originally posted by JCHannum
                    The problems continue uncorrected for many weeks now. It is a shame that the new "powers that be" will do nothing to correct the loading problems.
                    I'm sure Don is reading this, but it certainly seems that he has no control over the situation -- he would have tried to fix the problems if he could. We'll never know the terms of the contract with American Machinist, but they seem to be runnng the show...
                    Last edited by lazlo; 09-10-2006, 10:52 AM.
                    "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by J Tiers
                      After all, there are a lot of websites that (stupidly) will not even let you access the site unless you have that, or other silly add-ons.

                      I think that is a stupid thing to do, but what do you expect from website geeks?
                      J Tiers,

                      I know you're a big fan of FireFox, and I know you despise Microsoft, but FireFox doesn't support ActiveX, so many pages won't load with FireFox.

                      And we're not talking obscure Porn sites, these are some of the pages that won't load or work correctly with FireFox:
                      Web Sites that Don't Work with FireFox

                      Windows Update (Duh.)
                      American Express
                      PestScan (Online Virus Checker)
                      CNBC
                      FEMA (Seriously )
                      CNET
                      Apple (iPod Podcasts, etc)
                      Computer Associates (Adware, Spyware, Virus Libraries)
                      Yahoo Mail
                      Yahoo News
                      Forbes
                      VMWare
                      Webroot
                      ShutterFly
                      Streamload
                      BusinessWeek
                      ESPN Sports Nation
                      LockerGnome
                      ...

                      There are no other "silly add-ons" that you need to access web sites, just HTML, JavaScript, Java (rarely), and ActiveX, and apparently the Flash plug-in for incorrectly written web pages (like PM) where the advertisement doesn't handle the missing Flash player correctly.

                      I really like FireFox, and I love the add-on community, but to me it's like the Dvorak keyboard: clearly superior to the QWERTY keyboard, but since it's not in the majority, it's a major PITA to support...
                      Last edited by lazlo; 09-10-2006, 11:17 AM.
                      "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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                      • #12
                        To me a computrer is a black box. I just use it as it comes from Office Depot and have little knowledge of what goes on behind the screen. I use AOL on a dial-up modem, M/S Office, PhotoShop LE, and an out of date version of Norton. I never have any problems with viruses or spam. When websites go down, they sooner or later come back. Of all the websites PM is for me the most accessible and trouble-free except when they try to pile too much on a server and it crashes.

                        Outfits that chase me around to load the latest and greatest are a PITA. If it aint broke don't try to get me to fix it. In the last week or so Adobe has been after me to load some latest viewer. Hellwit'm.

                        Segue. I wonder why the antipathy of some toward PM or HSM? They both serve their sectors quite well. I guess some forlks are easily offended and once offended stay that way forever and will never relent.
                        Last edited by Forrest Addy; 09-10-2006, 11:10 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Forrest Addy
                          I wonder why the antipathy of some toward PM or HSM? They both serve their sectors quite well. I guess some forlks are easily offended and once offended stay that way forever and will never relent.
                          Forrest,

                          I don't sense any antipathy here towards either PM or HSM. In fact, most of us (including Don and Evan, the two forum managers) are frequent participants on both forums.

                          I think what you're seeing is frustration with technical issues associated with accessing the PracticalMachinist page, but I don't think that ire is directed at the Forum itself.

                          Cheers,

                          Robert
                          "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JCHannum
                            It is typical arrogant website punk stuff.... if you are not running the latest stuff, you don't deserve to live.

                            Who said that?
                            You did, just now...............

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                            Sir John , Earl of Bligeport & Sudspumpwater. MBE [ Motor Bike Engineer ] Nottingham England.



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                            • #15
                              PM site has been working great for me since the general section got split up. Was apparently too big for the managing software.

                              Works great now, no issues at all. Very fast posting and retrieving. Yep, work good. Actually the entire WWW is screamin lately. FiOS, I think I'll change my TV to it also...yeah, more TV and more internet....Gimme, gimme...JRouche
                              My old yahoo group. Bridgeport Mill Group

                              https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/...port_mill/info

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