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  • Oso
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    Serial is on a little plate on the side of the unit under and behind the door, if it's still there...........

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  • merf23
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    I am picking my shaper up today...ill look for the number. If i dont reply tonight, email me and ill find it
    [email protected]
    Sean

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  • Ragarsed Raglan
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    John S,

    Thanks for your kind offer! Picking it up would be a cinch after moving 'baby' - as well as the fact that I'm only just round the corner (some would say 'right around the bend'!!) from you. I'll be in touch with you via email.

    I'm in the process of stripping the Atlas and whilst she looks to have been hardly ever used, the years of idleness have not been overly kind to her. The oil/grease has turned to a black glue and although slightly rusted (no pitting!!) the slides do need to be cleaned up thoroughly before use. I'm looking and thinking about the table! The vice is virtually unmarked and is still showing it's original paint (the machine got a coat of Fergie Grey paint about 30 years ago).

    Does anyone know where I can find the serial number and if there is a date on these Atlas machines? My Atlas drill had a nice little aluminium plate stamped up with the serial number and date - but so far have not found anything on this machine yet.

    RR

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  • ShavingMaker
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    Alistair, if they have to ask why they really don't understand the meaning of life! At least the way we look at it!

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  • Alistair Hosie
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    Ragarsed my very dear friend how are you keeping well you know something I just love the idea of beating the odds and not letting the damage caused by such catastrophies over time win out .It is a joy beyond all joys to take something which has lain idle (for sometimes many years) and bring it back or even modify it for future use. The very Idea brings happiness to me .One of my sons says but dad why do you want to get up to your neck in grease and dirt taking that old junk apart .He smiles when I show him it brought back to life as it should be, repainted and looking as good as the day it was first bought.I have only had the privelege of doing this occassionaly but it is something I look forward to immensly , beating the damage and seeing it go again is a great feeling have any others shared in that moment when you really feel you have done a good job.
    regards old pal Alistair

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  • John Stevenson
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    Hey RR,
    Not familar with that shaper but from what I have seen on Tony's lathe site the box is second cousin to an angle box.
    Just been in the workshop and there is this big ugly thing in the corner. No it's not a picture of Thrud it's a box table.
    Actually there are two hiding there either both male or both female because in the 10 years they have been there they haven't bred.
    Pic at:-
    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stevens...s/boxplate.jpg

    The one on the left is 9" x 10" x 12" and 5 sided.
    The one on the right is 10" x 10" x 11" and 4 sided.
    Seems to me one of these would make a good start for your shaper table with possibly the slidy bit grafted on.
    I don't need two, in fact I can't remember the last time I ever used one.
    If you want one mate it's yours for free but you'll have to collect, our posty has got a bad back delivering and collecting from me <BG>

    John S.

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  • Ragarsed Raglan
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    I'd just like to announce to those that are gathered here that I have become the proud 'daddy' to a bonny, not very bouncy, Atlas 7B shaper. She arrived at 7.30pm GMT last night and weighs 295Lb.

    The new arrival, and father are both doing well (although 'daddy' is recovering from a strained back muscle!). Mother was present at the arrival and made a nice cup of tea for those present, which included the mid father (who happens to live next door!).

    Unfortunately, Baby will have to have some remedial surgery on her 'Frontal Tableotomy'. When this is completed, we will then be looking forward to babies first tentative 'steps' ~ which will hopefully blend into a rather nice 'flat'

    RR

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  • Oso
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    Ah, well that would be the reason for the adjustable bracing used on shapers and planers for tall stuff.

    I got the impression from your original post that the table had been shattered. Sounds like the t-slot broke out. That I can believe. Obviously your farmer had the downfeed in the "up" position.

    (to prevent confusion, the bottom has been labelled "TOP")

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  • Al Messer
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    If you can find a foundry that can provide a quality casting for that price, jump on it! You may be able to Thermite the pieces back together, but if I were in your shoes, I'd consider "glueing" the pieces back together with Loctite or something similar and using the old bed for a pattern. You may have to find a friend to do some preliminary work on it, but you can finish the top after it is mounted on the shaper.

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  • Ragarsed Raglan
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    Spence,Al, and Oso,

    It is the 7B (with the front sliding foot) model and the reason (I think) the table broke was that he had a large piece in the vice allowing a significant amount of 'leverage'. The side came out (from the top tee slot on the left), through the end part of the top tee slots and out at the front of the right hand top tee slot. The broken piece looks like a letter 'L' when viewed from the front. But it wasn't just one piece ~ there were about 3 smaller pieces which could be described as 'collateral shrapnel' from the main breakage. I wouldn't be surprised, looking at the way it had failed, it hadn't already been weakened by an earlier 'prang'. I know Farmer Headley looked at repairing it ~ but it was one of those 'jobs to do' which one never gets around to doing.
    I like the idea you have put forward of thermiting the casting back together - food for thought. My first thoughts were to have a new table cast up - a local foundary reckon (without seeing it) that if the pieces are glued together, and some tapered padding (Devcon?)is used to give 'draw' they think they may be able to reproduce a reasonable 'Cube' for about $50USD.

    I'll take a photo and post it somewhere so you can see it in all it's glory. Rat droppings an' all.

    RR

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  • Oso
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    Naw, they don't have to be tightened that hard, mine doesn't seem to want to come off, I just made it as tight as I would expect to.

    The t-slots are fully machined, too.

    I am going to guess that the machine in question is a "7A", not a "7B", so it doesn't have the support foot on the table. If it did, I would have bet on the downfeed assembly breaking off of the ram instead.

    I agree, it's not a boat anchor, it will cut some metal. And it can be quite accurate/give good finish. I finish machine prototype stuff like heatsink blocks in mine, getting a nice reflective finish.

    Gears are next. Supposed to have already done some for another machine, but haven't rigged the indexer yet.

    There is a problem of daylight and stroke with the Atlas, but that's just due to size.

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  • Al Messer
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    I wish I could see a close-up picture of the damages.

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  • SJorgensen
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    Ragarsed,
    I hope you share your method of repairing the box. I guess without the rat droppings they look like one of these: http://www.lathes.co.uk/atlasshaper/index.html I've never used one, but it looks like the design should allow it to force the vice off the table if it weren't really overtightened to the breaking point. Or I bet they didn't machine the underside of the T-slot. As soon as you fix this your friend will feel cheated and want it back! I wonder if you could get all the farm animals out of the way, and make a jig to hold the pieces in their original positions, and fill all the spaces and slots with casting sand, and make channels so thermite can melt down to and through the breaks in the casting, then cool it, mount it, and mill down all the extra metal. Alas, if someone as resourceful as your friend hasn't repaired it, its going to be a tough fix. I wonder what the best method would be? (assume no replacement part was available, and no access to any $30,000 tools.)
    Spence

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  • Al Messer
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    Aw, heck! I forgot what I wuz gonna say! Oh, yeah! Could tie a proper container to the tool slide and set it on high speed and use it for a cocktail shaker!

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  • Thrud
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    RR

    And a lovely string bean slicer it would make for the missus too...

    But I still think she would prefer that Schnaublin for Valentines Day!



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