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    I know this is way off topic but you can only find so much info on google,
    It appears that Iv got a pretty intelligent dog after all,
    Luka has learned how to open doors, not just any doors, doors that are pull type and go from the basement to the upstairs, This means she has to be standing upright on the stairs and then has to keep BOTH front feet off the door and off to the side in a little 4" corner so she doesnt load the door with her own weight, then she either backs up or uses her neck muscles WHILE TURNING the porcelin door handle with her teeth (evidence of snout gunge just above door handle)

    She is doing this while im away, and she is doing this because she is afraid of two things this time of the year, thunder and firecracker noise, she starts panting even though it can be raining and nice and cool, its like a panic attack, I tried latching the door from my side and she starts chewing up the wood and paint, She works her way into the wood that is part of the door holding mechanism to the point of getting into nails, then gets bloody and smears it all over the white door, i opened it up one time and it looked like a horror movie down there, I dont want to be mean to her but she's testing my patience, If I build a partition she will just take the distruction to that part of the basement, but it will at least be better because its less finished down there... still it wont cure her trauma...
    both my girls have a pet door in the basement, they have a nice yard to play in and can chill in the basement, yet iv been coming home to find Luka inside the house and sometimes all wet and in my bed, Now that she know's she can do this she wont quit, So I tried the tuff-luv thing, Iv set little mouse traps all around the door, It drastically slowed her down but now she's plowing right through them --- what the hell can I do, A friend says fight fire with fire and attach those little Pull type "poppers" to the mouse traps, But that would probably hurt her ears and give her a heart attack at the same time, She's a sweet girl ------- what to do?

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    I was once drinking beer on my lunch break, a fitter asked me how to stop his dog from barking all night. Laughing, I suggested he shock therapy the dog, hook a 120 volt cord up to the dogs chain. (I was about 18 then) THE boob did it, and left the 120 cord plugged in all night long, and then was mad at me when his dog was dead. Some people should not reproduce. That guy has children.

    Shock collars do not work on stubborn pitt bulldogs. Spray bottles full of water do thou. Funny you can hurt thier feelings more than thier hide.

    Learned Bad behavior is very hard to stop. I have been trying to stop this pup from jumping his 100lbs onto me, or crawling up on my chest while I am sleeping.. He makes my wife cry he is so heavy and left bruise paw prints on her. He is still a lap dog too. A whole lap full. He is so spoiled he may never get over it. Recently he has stopped eating all dog foods, only human food will do.. he can go days with dog food in the bowl (tough love)
    Last edited by Dawai; 06-27-2007, 10:51 AM.
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    • #3
      pick up a bottle of sour apple, and spray it on the nob. Dogs hate the taste.
      -Dan S.
      dans-hobbies.com

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      • #4
        Wow, I thought I was the only one with a door opening dog. mines a 9 month old brindle pitbull mix.

        Now if she is a smart girl you should be able to point at the damage and scold her with a loud "NO" (she knows)

        Dave is right,
        Funny you can hurt thier feelings more than thier hide.
        As far as the door you might add a simple sliding pin type latch to the door.

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        • #5
          First you need to break him of beign afraid of loud noises.

          I had a hunting dog that during training went gun shy on me.... some hunting dog hu?

          The cure, I took him to the local trap range and tied him to the trailer hitch about 100-150 feet behind the firing line, far enough that ear protection isn't needed but close enough that its noisey and he was very unhappy. Then I went and shot a couple of rounds of trap. The first round was BAD, by the end of the second he was curled up under the bumper to get out of the sun, but still nervous, and by the third he was napping. After that he was ready to go hunting and gunshots didn't phase him in the least.

          Basically what your dog needs to learn is the loud noises aren't going to hurt him. Anything that scares him then hurts him he will be afraid of forever.

          Don't use Poppers, these will scare him and hurt his ears and will make the problem worse.
          Ignorance is curable through education.

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          • #6
            I had a dog once I was training him not to eat, just when I had him trained he went and died.
            MBB

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            • #7
              Yeah, I forgot about Butch pulling all the insulation off the outdoor spickots.

              I used a habanero pepper sauce I could not eat.. I painted all the insulation with it and BUTCH left it alone.

              He damn near pulled all the plumbing from under the house before.
              Excuse me, I farted.

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              • #8
                Mike68, Luka is a 9 year old brindle pittbull mix (small world)!

                I already tried latching from my side (the house side) ----- if i try to close her out she chews up the door and stuff, She knows she's done wrong the second i come home, she feels guilty as hell --- this is a stronger instinct to her than "doing the right thing" so it doesnt matter, it will happen again and again, I think I may have something to try, She gets upstairs to seek comfort, ever since she was a pup she would gather up my dirty clothes into a pile to sleep on them, they have carpet in the basement but im going to build them a little "duplex" --- I will work out in the sun all day with old clothes and then line the duplex with them, Its worth a try...
                Last edited by A.K. Boomer; 06-27-2007, 11:14 AM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by A.K. Boomer
                  Mike68, Luka is a 9 year old brindle pittbull mix (small world)!

                  I already tried latching from my side (the house side) ----- if i try to close her out she chews up the door and stuff, She knows she's done wrong the second i come home, she feels guilty as hell --- this is a stronger instinct to her than "doing the right thing" so it doesnt matter, it will happen again and again, I think I may have something to try, She gets upstairs to seek comfort, ever since she was a pup she would gather up my dirty clothes into a pile to sleep on them, they have carpet in the basement but im going to build them a little "duplex" --- I will work out in the sun all day with old clothes and then line the duplex with them, Its worth a try...
                  You might have something there. Check item #4

                  http://www.bcrescue.org/barking.html
                  Gene

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                  • #10
                    Play the 1812 Overture loud every day.

                    Seriously, Rusty is correct. You can't punish a dog out of a bad habit. You need to change the dog's association of loud noise = bad thing. A little conditioning can go a long way. Buy an environmental sounds recording that includes a thunderstorm and start it off low in the background while giving attention and feeding a treat. Use the thunderstorm recording as the attention time/treats signal by playing it for a few minutes in advance. Gradually turn up the volume after several days and keep it there for a few days more, then turn it up a bit more.

                    If a real thunderstorm should happen use it the same way, as a signal for play/treat time. In a few weeks the dog will have a new association of thunder=good thing.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by David E Cofer
                      Recently he has stopped eating all dog foods, only human food will do.. he can go days with dog food in the bowl (tough love)
                      I've always had the philosophy that when he gets hungry enough, he'll eat anything.

                      Although my girlfriend gave me a good suggestion- get some boullion (sp?) cubes and melt one in some warm water, then pour it over the dry dogfood. Cheap way to get them to eat it!
                      You never learn anything by doing it right.

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                      • #12
                        It could be what you're feeding your dog, yes they will eat anything, but like with humans just because its called food doesn't mean that it is.

                        Food Intolerance in Animals and Man

                        http://dogtorj.tripod.com/id1.html

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                        • #13
                          Animals are funny in associations of taste, smell etc with good and bad things. That's how they survive in the wild...... "that smell means a bear"........ "That taste made me sick once"


                          We have a cat who now needs thyroid stuff.... got really skinny. He LOVES tuna oil, which we rarely have. He'll basically break down doors to get it, or try to.

                          But, I once tried mixing the thyroid stuff, which is in oil, with tuna oil to get him to eat it without a hassle. No-go.... wouldn't eat it.

                          But the funny thing is now he WILL NOT TRY any tuna oil, unless there is an obvious can being opened, so he knows its fresh and not "contaminated".
                          1601

                          Keep eye on ball.
                          Hashim Khan

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                          • #14
                            Personally? I think since the dog watches the evening news with me, He knows about the dog food scare recently and stays clear of it. He is a very intelligent dog that makes choices of his own.

                            Alpo, meat chunks.. sausage gravy poured over it, no help, cheese worked for a day or two, then he just turns his nose up. A plain pringles potato chip he "piiitoo uies" out onto the floor, he prefers doritos cheese flavor. His dog "dry food" he will eat as long as you pitch it to him one piece at a time. My elbow will never be the same again. It can lay in the dish for days.

                            He is spoiled. I got a daughter just about like him. She picks at her plate of food then demands treats later. I was hungry as a kid, I ate everything, squirrel brains with eggs, squirrel dumplings, yard salad, polk salad, black berries, pine cone soup and numerous other things you would not approve of. I am a excellent shot because I learned not to waste meat.


                            Looks pretty darned spoiled to me..

                            Trying to eat a cup of Yogurt, mobbed by the cat, then the dog for a taste.
                            Last edited by Dawai; 06-27-2007, 01:33 PM.
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                            • #15
                              If my old bird dog (yellow lab) would have been that afraid of lightening I'd have put in an automatic door for him. Much too good of a friend to keep him from his goal when he's scared. Mine (earlier black lab) used to shovel the shoes out of the closet when a storm came. What I wouldn't give to be able to pick up after him again.
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