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  • BadDog
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    Hmmm, I'll have to check into those accessories. But I'm probably too cheap to spring for them. Then again, should be easy enough to make. On the other hand, I've got 4 (or 5?) old surface gage bases (Lufkin, B&Sx2, and non name) that could be used similarly. Now they are setup with a short stuby on one B&S with another B&S with a spindly standard surface scriber rig, so setting up a Planar like that probably isn't worth the effort.

    And it's the crap like the thread that really gets me put-out with Starrett and other companies. No excuse for that at all. "Lock in" like that, rather than using on quality, value, and customer service/loyalty is nothing but sheer greed. Sounds like time for some single point work. Do you happen to know what the thread is? Is it just non-standard for that size, or something really wierd like 33.2 TPI?

    Just yesterday(?) I saw a nice shop made adapter for a dial height gage that mounted a pin DTI or 3/8 shaft DI; and a similar attachment for a surface gage mounting a DTI (which I've seen before).

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  • Paul Alciatore
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    I also have two of them, one Starrett and one import. Starrett still sells accessories for them. I got a DI holder and a scriber. They can be set up as a quick dimension gauge on a surface plate with the DI. Sometimes when I have some layout work with a lot of one dimension to scribe, I set one up with the scriber to that dimension and it saves a lot of resetting of my regular height gauge. My Starrett has a fine adjustment screw on the slide to make setting exact distances easier.

    My import model is set to the center height of my SB. It has a piece of ground flat stock mounted on the top that hangs over the edge. It is a height gauge for setting the tools on the lathe. I just sit it on the cross slide and bring the tool tip up to the bottom of that added strip.

    They are kind of like 1-2-3 blocks, their uses are only limited by your imagination and the accessories you have/make.

    One caution. Starrett used a non standard thread for the accessory mounting holes. An inbetween size. I called them and asked about it and they confirmed that it was totally non standard. ###**%##@!!! The import model has standard threads so it was easy to mount my own accessories.

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  • oil mac
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    Hi Old Dog,
    Will try & see if i can organise photo of my hand operated planer, Havent as yet sussed out "modus - operandi" on such highly technical computer tasks, will try and see if my son, or son in law can help me, the little hand planer is in "mint"condition, must have been owned by a really particular owner, Wish i had been at the sale it came from, there was the planer, plus line shaft driven lathe, shaper,milling machine and drilling machine all sister machines by the same builder _Tom Senior of Liversedge in Yorkshire, England. an old friend of mine purchased the shaper only.

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  • BadDog
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    Sorry, I should have said "I have a pair of the same model". Using "matched" was a bad choice of words on my parth that imply something that was not my intent.

    And I have a pair because there were 2 of them for $50 at the surplus. I had my eye on them for a while, but couldn't justify the cost, and they were setting there for some months. So when I bought my big Lista, and we were pretty close to agreement on price, but he wouldn't budge another nickle, I said "Fine, if you throw those in too.", and that closed the gap. The rest, as they say, is history.

    That said, I do like having 2 and it has come in handy just as a convenience, but certainly not something one should go out of their way to achieve as having some value. One pretty much stays set for adjusting lathe tooling, though honestly I rarely need to use it as other techniques are more convenient. Sill, it's ready when I need it. The other gets grabbed for random uses. Obviously I could make one of the little rigs for setting center height as posted on here, but when I realized I could just use one of these that was otherwise just setting in the box, and furthermore that this was pretty much it's intended purpose, I decided to use that and remove one more project from my endless list.

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  • lazlo
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    Originally posted by chief
    It is used to set the tool height, you can use it on a planer, shaper or mill.
    I sometimes use a shaper gage to transfer heights from the setup table to to the workpiece.

    Russ: you said you have a matched pair? How do you use a pair of shaper gages? Or why do they need to
    be matched since you have to set them independently?

    It's not like a vee-block, where they're non-adjustable, so they have to be match-ground to prevent a taper...

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  • Your Old Dog
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    Originally posted by oil mac
    On using these old hand planers, it is hard work,no wonder the old boys were worn out early on in life.
    Mac, any chance you got a picture of your hand planer? I'd really like to see it. Knew a guy 25 years ago who had a hand operated planer and I wish I'd have paid more attention to it.

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  • Alistair Hosie
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    So thats how it works thanks Allan. I didn't realise the handle was used to measure |I thought the little end piece did the measuring thanks again. Alistair

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  • aostling
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    The 1955 Starrett catalog #27 has this information on the 246. This doesn't add much to anything said already. The catalog photo is rather poor, but shows the gage being used to set a shaper tool.



    Last edited by aostling; 08-23-2007, 01:43 AM.

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  • jimsehr
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    Gage

    I used to set a pair of cutters on a holizontal mill with spacers then check the
    cutter width with planer gage before making the first cut.
    Jim

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  • gzig5
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    Think of it as an adjustable gage block. We used to use them to set the head height on can seamers (puts the end on a tin can), and lots of other manufacturing equipment setup. Very useful for meausuring inside distances or heights that you may not have a caliper or ID mic long enough.
    Greg

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  • Alistair Hosie
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    gosh that machine works for it's money Alistair

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  • kap pullen
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    Here Is a metal cutting planer for referance.
    Pictures stolen from the internet.

    This is a small one (the picture title says so).

    We had one like this, and two a bit bigger ones where I served my time.
    Once the job was setup, you had an hour, or more of cut time.

    These are used for finishing machine bases, printing press side frames, gearbox faces, racks, keyways, and a variety of other items.

    You set the gauge at the height of the cut you want, move the tool below the gauge, and raise the tool back up so the gauge just slips under the tool.

    This keeps the backlash in the correct direction, and won't move or crush the gauge. Can be used on mills, and other duties where needed.



    Planer in action, Picture may have been stolen here?



    Kap

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  • chief
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    Planer Gauge

    It is used to set the tool height, you can use it on a planer, shaper or mill.

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  • Alistair Hosie
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    well in any case I have a shaper could use it on that instead.Alistair

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  • john hobdeclipe
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    Yeah, it's for a metal working planer, not a woodworking planer.

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