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  • Fasttrack
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    I see Macona's point, but as soon as I saw the thread and the poster, I knew exactly who it was. Seems like she was already sort of one of us. Maybe "invasion" wasn't the best way to introduce herself, but I think she meant it in an entirely light-hearted way - not with one of those "I can be as good as you" stand-offish attitudes. Its that kind of attitude that ticks me off when I see "feminists".

    There are people out there with the talent, people out there with the passion and people out there with both. Good machinist have both. It has nothing to do with gender.

    Well, the passion might be related to gender and the way someone is raised, but as far as being good at something, whether its welding, machining, science, english, math, cooking, sewing, whatever... gender doesn't matter. I've known girls who couldn't weld worth a dang, even though they wanted to learn. Likewise, I've seen guys who really wanted to learn but had to work for months before they could make a decent weld. Then there are the girls and guys who pick up a gun/torch/holder for the first time and lays down a half-decent bead just like that.

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    Russ
    I see your point - don't get me wrong. Its great that there is someone out here to stick up for her and she deserves respect, no doubt about it. But, as far as your question "how would you stack up", I think there are quite a few of us that would excel. To me, that is a good machinist - the guy who is a quick learner and almost doesn't need to be "taught". They don't need to study books or watch videos, they just get out there and it makes sense. Recently I've been repairing all sorts of machines in our machine shop (its on the move) and I'm by no means an expert, but it just makes sense to me. I can take apart something I've never seen, realize what the problem is and fix it, or learn how to fix it. I'm not intimidated to rip into something because I know how to do it without completely destroying something and I know who to ask if I have questions. Its just part of my personality and I think most good machinists out there are like that. (and I'm not saying I'm a good machinist ... hopefully someday I will be, but I'm not there yet!!)

    And I'm not saying its a substitute for experience, but that kind of personality or apptitude corresponds to a "richer" expierence. I guess the difference I see is that good machinists really have passion. I've talked to guys who'd worked in a machine shop for 5 years and they still didn't know anywhere near what I know about machining ... and I'm a newb! But that is because I love this stuff, when I'm not in the shop, I'm thinking about it and talking with the pro's here learning as much as I can. Other guys who don't have the passion, machining is nothing more than an ends to a mean.

    Anyhow, I'm rambling - I'm sorry. Its late and I've had some interesting expierences with some of the guys working in the shop with me...
    Last edited by Fasttrack; 05-10-2008, 02:50 AM.

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  • speedy
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    I say- Respect all round

    thrown in the guts of a fab/machine shop with no idea how to do anything like it. Think about that for a minute. How would you stack up?
    (Good tutor + good student)(aptitude + correct attitude ); you cannot go wrong.

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  • torker
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    OK.. I've had my say. All I can add is.. I've had the opportunity to watch a brilliant young mind soak up things in a year that would take others 10 times as long.
    I'm hoping she can learn from you guys here if she wants to. There's a lot of brainpower here that could be a big benefit to her. I'm telling you.. this is a very unique opportunuty for all of us.
    I would (personally) be honoured to have you guys help her on her quest for perfection in our "sport".
    This is a HUGE challenge for any newbie... thrown in the guts of a fab/machine shop with no idea how to do anything like it. Think about that for a minute. How would you stack up?
    Russ

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  • torker
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    macona.. The "gurl" thing is entirely of my making. That's what I've billed her as here from the getgo... it's my hillbilly way. That's what she's known as in our shop... so what? Anyone who frequents the board will recognize that "moniker"
    She does NOT garner attention. She just feels that maybe she belongs here now.
    Would it be better if she registered as "Bull$hitBill 372"? You're just nitpicking.
    So who's respect does she need to "earn" here? I've shown plenty of examples of her work (here)that have my customers and board members respect. That is all that's required in my book.
    Last edited by torker; 05-10-2008, 01:52 AM.

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  • macona
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    Dont go out of your way to advertise yourself as a girl and different and you will not receive the unwanted attention that you garner. You will have more respect from your peers as Paula and Carla are over on the PM board.

    The same thing happened as in the "invasion" thread as over on PM when someone named "girlpower" (I think) popped up. You automatically get -1 point respect in many cases with a moniker like that.

    Respect is earned, not given.

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  • toastydeath
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    I had a friend who quit the mechanical engineering program because of the completely inappropriate male attention.

    I'd love to stab some of the perpetrators in the the eye.

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  • torker
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    Thanks MO...My thoughts exactly. Don't worry bout the welds.. they'll come!
    I'm bettin you don't have an instructor lookin at your work 8 hours a day
    That does help a little.

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  • mochinist
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    seen that thread, some pretty pathetic guys on here.

    And Im not gonna compare my welds with hers

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  • torker
    started a topic Hey...You Birdbrains out there... (concerns the Gurl)

    Hey...You Birdbrains out there... (concerns the Gurl)

    Ok... Some of you have been acting like jerks with her already.
    I'd STRONGLY suggest you stop it or you will be sorry. I will haunt you for the rest of your days on this board honest to God. You have no idea what an asshat I can be.
    There are others who aren't happy about your behaviour towards her either.. a few who really matter in your life expectancy here.
    Some may notice that their disrespectful posts have been deleted.
    I wrote this in the "Invasion" thread...
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    Yup..that's my lil' right hand! I guess this is testing the waters.. we'll maybe see why very few women ever post here. I see a couple of you can't help acting like asshats.... good going.
    #1 rule in my shop... "The Gurl" gets treated with respect or I kick your butt out. I don't care who you are.. yer gone.
    I'm uhhh... sorta saving you from yourself. A couple of "Ladies Men"... who are Gods gift to women... I let them beak off to her cuz they really pissed me off. They paid... I am far nicer to deal with than her.
    I told you she had fangs and I meant it. She's a sweet lookin gurl but she can cuss better than any of you.. guaranteed.
    I hope you guys afford her the same repect she gets here at our shop.
    So... macona.. a "Gurl" is someone who can tig weld aluminum or carbon or SS better than most I've seen here and she is just learning. Be careful or I'll post some of her alu welds.
    She's posting here because she wants to... I never prompted it.
    I'd love it if pics of her work were posted and appreciated. As for a bunch of pics of her.. forget it.. that's not what this is all about. She's doing the same stuff you guys are doing and she should be damm proud of it... in this 95% male occupation.
    BTW.. today she welded up an 8" wide flange beam, welded for hours on our folding trailer ramps.. (cool pics to follow), made an ignition cover for a Harley so some guy could ride on the weekend...then used her great tig hand to weld studs to a CR250 E-pipe so we could pull a huge dent out of it.. so that guy could ride this weekend.
    So here she is.. behave yourselves dammit...
    And one more thing.. if any of you send her any nasty (or otherwise) PM's.. I'll make damm sure they get posted here for God and everyone else to see. Ya.. I'm lookin out for her.. she looks out for me businesswise so I owe her.
    Russ
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    So grow up and give her respect.. believe me... she deserves it.
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