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  • Finally the tool gloat I've been waiting to post! Pacemakers...

    Well guys, I've finally made it back home and I'm working on uploading some 200 pictures and videos onto photo bucket to post here. Don't worry, I won't post all of them!

    Here's the whole story:
    (Skip to the bottom for photos and list of awesome tooling)

    I started seriously looking for a used lathe back in the late months of winter after seeing a SB heavy 10 go to auction at my university. Luckily, I lost the bid on that tiny piece of junk! :-) Then, I almost bought a really nice Sheldon for 800 bucks, but I was a few hours too late. Lucky again! I decided to join the PM forum and I posted a "want" ad over there. I said I was looking for a used, quality medium to heavy duty lathe in the Missouri area.

    I just happened to get a message from a truly awesome guy who goes by the username "ions82". He is an awesome and inspiring individual, well worth doing business with.

    Anyway, it happened that he had a 1943 Pacemaker that he had been thinking about selling. He needed shop space and didn't want something quite that big for various reasons. At first, I wasn't sure he was going to part with it and he was asking $2500 for a 16 by 30, well tooled.

    After many emails back and forth, he mentioned that he had the good fortune to come to own a SECOND 16 by 30 pacemaker, date 1945. It had sat quite a bit outside and had some issues including a busted up z-axis handwheel. Now he could have sold this lathe separately, but he decided that he would let me take away BOTH machines for the price of the first one!!!! I couldn't believe it. Only trouble was that he was out in NM.

    Finally my brother in law and I made it out there in his big rig and picked up the two machines. It was a great experience and I have an enormous amount of respect for Ions82, but that is a whole other story!

    Along with two wonderful machines, I walked away with a large crate of tooling and a new friend.

    Some specifics:
    The first is a 1943 Style C Pacemaker. It has had some new bearings and bushings in the carriage, compound, and feed rod/lead screw support. All new belts, new motor control box, and a 7.5 HP GE motor. It is in great working condition except for two issues. The first is a sheared key in the apron. When trying to cut a keyway in the lathe, the handwheel slips. It does fine while cutting something, but it slips if the carriage is moved too far towards or away from the headstock. This brings me to the next problem... worn slides! There is noticeable wear in all the sliding parts, but not enough to really concern me. A test bar showed that, despite the obvious wear (the carriage gets so tight towards one end that the handwheel slips!) it still cuts a truer test bar at 1" dia than does my brand-new Smithy lathe. It holds .002 in 24" and some of that may be due to flex since there was no follow or steady rest and the DOC was .1 :-D

    The second machine is a 1945 Style C. Everything appears to be original, including a 7.5 HP Sterling Motor and control box. It was purchased by the US Navy in 1945 and then placed in the National Industrial Reserve before 1948. After which time it sat until 1975 or possibly later before being donated to the community college where it spent a quite a bit of time sitting outside. There are stains from the sulfurized cutting oil that mark where the carriage sat for a long time. There is almost no wear anywhere on the lathe. In fact, there is still the factory frosting on the cross-slide and on the compound, although the cross-slide has some scratches in it from careless students. It needs a lot of work and I plan to post at least four and probably more threads outlining all the work I've done to it. So far, I've fixed a sheared key in the apron, repaired the busted up handwheel and cracked casting, repaired a severely damaged taper attachment (oh yeah it came with the anti-friction TA!) and next up is to fix the tailstock and finish repairing a part on the compound. The quill doesn't move on the TS... I'm afraid it may have a stripped nut...

    Alright, enough talking. Here are some pictures and the list of tooling. I will post a few more times for photos . I'd also like to share a video of the '43 in action making a part for the '45

    On the semi in NM:

    On the trailer but back in the shop:

    The 1945:

    The 1943:

    List of tooling included:
    Cushman Chucks 10" 3 jaw 10" 4 jaw 12" 3 jaw 12" 4 jaw
    12" 4 jaw with "Lathe 10" emblem
    Bison Never-before-used 10" 3 jaw chuck
    Hardinge Brothers Inc - SJORGEN "Speed Chuck" 2J collet chuck
    Hardinge 2J collets, 1/4" to 1&1/8" by eighths and a few misc sizes like 5/16 and 9/16 and 17/32
    Dormer and "Collis" Various taper adapters, everything from MT1 to MT4
    SkyHook Toolpost hoist for changing chucks
    Jacobs two number 14 ball bearing chucks
    Supreme Chuck ball bearing chuck, 1/8-3/4 capacity
    12 assorted Q/C tool holders, including Aloris, Armstrong, and Dorian. Only one "made in china" piece
    Two Q/C tool posts. Both are wedge style, one is larger than the other by quite a bit and is a Dorian product, the other is PhaseII
    Dorian Collet holder for Q/C post
    McCrosky Turret tool post - 1&1/4" capacity
    Kennametal 1&1/2" diameter boring bar and Q/C holder for bar and a 1&1/4" Insert holder
    Sandvik Coromant Insert holders, both LH and RH and a threading/grooving one along with a whole bunch of spare clamps, screws and carbide inserts for turning, threading and grooving
    Spe-D-Cut insert holder
    Fostoria work light
    Splash shield, ATW steady rest, ATW micrometer stop
    Fasco Industries Coolant pump and resevoir
    The Ruthman Machinery Co "Gusher" coolant pump and resevoir
    Also there is a third pump attached to the built in resevoir on the '45 lathe.
    I forgot the two NEW Ritten live centers!

    p.s. Thanks everyone for supporting me when I was searching for these machines. Special thanks to Forrest Addy, Lane, Lazlo and many others for helping with specific questions and encouraging me to purchase the lathes.
    Last edited by Fasttrack; 06-30-2008, 10:39 PM.

  • #2
    More Pics!

    Alright, here goes some more pictures

    The Scary Part! (This is the 1943 being removed)

    The hoist in action!

    The 1945 after removing some parts and washing:
    Last edited by Fasttrack; 06-30-2008, 10:26 PM.


    • #3

      And some pictures of the tooling ... I may have gotten carried away with the pictures... :-)

      Last edited by Fasttrack; 06-30-2008, 10:30 PM.


      • #4
        I promise... this is the last one...

        A few last pics I couldn't help sharing... In case you can't tell, I am very very excited!

        The 1945 Cross-slide:

        Last edited by Fasttrack; 06-30-2008, 10:31 PM.


        • #5
          i haven't been on here in a long time and when i came back, everybody was mentioning pacemakers. i knew i was one of the youngest people on here (just turned 22 last month), but i was a little worried there about the repeated mention of pacemakers.

          never realized there was a pacemaker lathe, though. talk about a relief when i finally put that together in my head...


          • #6
            LOL I got you beat - I'm 19 and I don't need a medical pacemaker, yet!

            I didn't know about them either until I started doing research. is a great place to learn more about them but I first read about them from some members here who placed them in the "super lathe" category.

            Here is a thread talking about them:


            • #7
              I hate to tell you this Fasttrack, but that lathe isn't rigid enough for carbide

              Beautiful machine, and a great haul on the tooling!
              "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."


              • #8
                That's an incredible score! Tool porn if I ever did see it. Good luck with them and enjoy!!


                • #9
                  We had two of those in the first shop I worked in,beds were a little longer very nice machines to operate,yours looks in much better shape.


                  • #10
                    I sure hate to bust your bubble fastrack . But those aint hobby shop lathes those are the real Mc Coy.The only thing I see wrong is it sure would have been nice if one was at least 60 inches between centers. A little short for my liking.Nice haul kid.
                    Every Mans Work Is A Portrait of Him Self


                    • #11
                      man, it looks like you've got some serious space problems on your hands there. too bad there isn't a way to bandsaw half of your space off and have it shipped to my house...

                      those two machines do look like a hell of a find, though. hope you enjoy them.


                      • #12
                        So, how much did you have to pay?

                        And what will you be doing with them?


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by lazlo
                          I hate to tell you this Fasttrack, but that lathe isn't rigid enough for carbide

                          Beautiful machine, and a great haul on the tooling!

                          Damn ... I guess I better just pack up all my carbide and send it to you, huh?

                          Lane - Yep, exactly what I thought too. For the price and given the tooling and condition, I was happy. Since my brother-in-law had a semi truck, we actually made money going out to NM anyway, so it worked out well. Ideally, though, it would be a 54" or longer. Oh well, you can't have it all! Besides, it took me alot of hours at minimum wage to save up for these puppies

                          Psomero - Yeah! I'm keeping them in my brother-in-law's shop. Its 60' by 200' or something like that. I think its actually bigger, but its huge either way! Looks small when you have a two-story combine or new 4 wd tractor in there.

                          I figure I will leave one of the lathes behind with him as a sign of appreciation for letting me work out of his shop until I get a place of my own. He seems enthusiastic. In fact, he wants to buy a mill now


                          • #14
                            I remember the thread on here about these machines, You didnt just buy a couple of lathes, you got cherself a piece of proud American history thar feller,

                            one word; Bombproof (grand score)


                            • #15
                              Good lord Fasttrack...great luck for you...may you always be so lucky!

                              Now to have some fun.