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  • #61
    What prompted this was the recent insta-locking of the US splits as predicted by Russia guy
    So, when the states do split up, red versus blue? what happens then? Will Lincoln roll out of his grave and attack the south without law and justice on his side, again?
    Lincoln actually said:
    "Ohh don't you take them taxes away from me so easily, I do so love the revenue from each of the states". The new history books say it was started to free the poor black slaves. The old history books say it was over unfair taxation without representation and trade deficits.

    Then, perhaps we may become the North American Union, easier to control with the resources split up.

    AND mention hitler, get locked.. White people in Germany loved him.. he was great.. made many changes they liked and they supported him.. NEXT real big support for a politician was.. lemme see.. Ohhh Yeah.. Barack Obama.. the new messiah..

    And That Wolfie.. ahh.. he gave the moderator a black eye publicly on forum after being warned.. did he listen to reason? no.. has he tried to sneak back and assault and raise havoc.. yes.. shame on you wolfie.. I liked him, thought I'd like to drink beer and barbeque with him.. antagonistic.. kinda like the guy who cooks the barbeque and laughs as the other bikers knife and roll in the mud, all the time thinking, gee, they'll leave all this meat and beer for me.. Sh_T stirring helps nobody.. it just stinks.

    What upsets me the most.. no not any of the above.. but people who have several user names.. they keep one clean.. and stir the crap with another.. makes you want the ip address so you know who you are really dealing with, then the real smart guys, well they have ways around that too.. a Sh_t stirrer with a "long handle"... shame on you too..

    EDIT: Who appreciates this forum and it's free range of topics.. well I do.. I've left a few times now.. changed my name once when a spitefull woman came out of my past and harrassed me to insanity.. but.. HERE.. people can discuss calmly and share ideas and plans.. and a few machining tips and techniques not quite normal as among friends.. some are afraid to post their ideas on other boards cause people MAKE FUN of them.. but most the time we are adults here..
    I got more done in the shop when I was not on this and metalmeet's forum. Metalmeet has slowed for me.. my passion swings from shaping metal to making bits of whizzgidgetry..

    There are regular members here I consider friends, thou I have not met most of you... There are some I consider inlaws. some I have no feelings good or bad.. none I hate.. here.. (there is a junkie-two time child molestor living down the road I could skin without remorse or guilt) I see him standing in front of the elementry school right next to the daycare stoned..
    Last edited by Dawai; 01-01-2009, 09:57 AM.
    Excuse me, I farted.

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    • #62
      You guys have forgetten the most important rule of all.

      Never Ever Ever Ever ask, "What's better Metric or Imperial".
      The shortest distance between two points is a circle of infinite diameter.

      Bluewater Model Engineering Society at https://sites.google.com/site/bluewatermes/

      Southwestern Ontario. Canada

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      • #63
        ...or ask why British lathes have flat ways, or why a Myford sells for more than a Hardinge HLV
        "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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        • #64
          AND mention hitler, get locked.. White people in Germany loved him.. he was great.. made many changes they liked and they supported him.. NEXT real big support for a politician was.. lemme see.. Ohhh Yeah.. Barack Obama.. the new messiah..
          Stop trying to rewrite history David. The average German was scared spitless of the Nazi Party and with good reason. The Jewish are White too.

          You forget about Eisenhower, Kennedy, won by landslides. You have been making some pretty heavy sweeping generalizations lately. Some are way off base. You need to take a critical look at your own writing before posting it, maybe wait half an hour and read it again.
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          • #65
            Originally posted by lazlo
            ...or ask why British lathes have flat ways, or why a Myford sells for more than a Hardinge HLV

            Flat ways have there uses but your right about the cost of a Myford. Maybe that's why they are in trouble.
            The shortest distance between two points is a circle of infinite diameter.

            Bluewater Model Engineering Society at https://sites.google.com/site/bluewatermes/

            Southwestern Ontario. Canada

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            • #66
              It's funny, everyone has a different recollection about the jackal's demise, but to me it was the link below - where the jackal set the stage for a seen in what i believe was in his mind some kind of "showdown" to where he was going to "run the moderator out of town"... He put in the topic "So am I going to get an explanation" and then pretty much gave George an ultimatum, Yessirree boy -- it was either the jackal's way or the highway, there was only one flaw in his game plan - George was packing real heat and UBjackal found out that all he had was an empty squirt gun...


              http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=29056

              I believe this is one of the best self regulated sites iv been on, When I first posted here i didnt think so due to the above mentioned person, so I in turn dished it back and also got rude with others, I thought if thats the type of people that are allowed on this site then what the hell I'll throw in my own mix, I was wrong and let one bad apple manipulate me into being harsh and im sorry to the board for that, It is however why its so important to ban certain members, George B's got a nut sac, and he's salvaged many a good newbie in the process, I guess what it comes down to for members is if your willing to let the site change you (evolve a little) instead of trying to be the one to change the site.
              Happy new year everyone --- this is a group of widely diverse guys with tons of know how and im proud to be a small part of it, thanks for the education and the opportunity to evolve a little...

              Iv gone to having a great "dislike" for the jackal to genuinely hoping the best for him, he's obviously not well and I sincerely hope he gets a handle on it as we all have "issue's" --- first step for me was to realize that "de-nile" is more than just a sicilian trying to pronounce a river in africa
              Last edited by A.K. Boomer; 01-01-2009, 11:24 AM.

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              • #67
                Actually this site IS good for laffs. Unless you actually do think you can make surface grinder from a radial arm saw without melting the saw and casting a surface grinder.

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                • #68
                  Yup..Wolfie...you keep on sticking up for him..
                  I did. Looking back, I shouldn't have bothered.
                  He really stuck his foot in his mouth with his lovely "foreskin" comments that he made sure anyone...including the gurl could see. Like he was some kind of rockstar....when in fact..he was acting like some kind of pervert when it came to her.
                  What you DON'T know...after that he sent me a PM...falling all over the flap in his underwear...apologizing for his rude comments directed towards her...and could I smooth things over. Then..in the same PM he insulted me if I didn't like the whole thing.
                  He maybe shouldn'ta done that.
                  Ya...looking back...he was a real class act alright.
                  Russ
                  I have tools I don't even know I own...

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                  • #69
                    Gah! I didn't come for an argument! If this dosent stop I'll ask Buliss to toss in a Helicoil.


                    So basically there still is no concrete ruleset other than politics is often not OK and that selling stuff is not allowed.


                    And "iowolf" was rude and sexist to "The Gurl" who is an assistant to welder Torker in Real Life, and caused arguments, and left,

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                    • #70
                      As somebody that was in the middle of the incident, I will remind people that having known that Wolfie and I had real people contacts in common. Having received numerous E mails and PMs about his posting from people with children or grand children that read this board. And the people that know him, due to the internet filter of impersonality. He is not the person he came across as in the postings. If his wife knew his actions on the net she would be mortified and probably beat him over the head and shoulders with his computer.

                      As been said he would have his user name and others to stir the pot if nobody else would. Along with a couple of cohorts keeping him in the loop.

                      Like Torker said the comments about the gurl and other things, along with the picture he or his sidekick posted.
                      were not appropriate for this forum.

                      And as Boomer mentioned, To put it simply you don't call the man holding the biggest hammer out if your holding a rubber mallet! And not except him to drop it on you at least once.

                      What a lot seem to forget is this forum is run by a for profit company, that publishes magazines on the subject matter of this and its other forums. The number of people that use this forum is larger than then the number that subscribe to the magazines and use this forum.

                      With just the normal operating problems and upgrades etc they could save a bunch of money and headaches with out the web sites/forums.

                      But as this thread has shown, the moderation on this board is of the light handed type. Or has been stated self regulating to a large extent.

                      If you need some general rules on how to behave, here is as simple and clear as any. They are form the notice page at


                      Originally posted by rake60 @Home Model Engine Machinist
                      When I started this forum it was with the intention of maintaining a place
                      free of derogatory comments, flaming, personal attacks and elitism.
                      Posts that include such comments will be responded to immediately by
                      a member of the management team. If that is not enough to make the
                      point, further action will be taken.

                      We all have a bad day once in a while. We all lose temper and say or type
                      something we shouldn't have. That's normal human nature!
                      Should that happen to be "just your style" there are several other home
                      machining forums that will suit you much better.

                      THIS forum is about building running model engines.
                      Beginner or expert, all posts and replies will be civil and without condemnation.
                      It will be a forum where no member will be afraid to post
                      or ask a question for fear of being called down.

                      If obtaining that goal requires us to block or delete an offending member
                      that action will be taken.

                      I regret having to put this into text, but the need is obvious.
                      Have a great new year! and remember the internet isn't real, the doctor said its all in my imagination
                      Glen
                      Been there, probably broke it, doing that!
                      I am not a lawyer, and never played one on TV!
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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Teenage_Machinist
                        Gah! I didn't come for an argument! If this dosent stop I'll ask Buliss to toss in a Helicoil.


                        So basically there still is no concrete ruleset other than politics is often not OK and that selling stuff is not allowed.


                        And "iowolf" was rude and sexist to "The Gurl" who is an assistant to welder Torker in Real Life, and caused arguments, and left,
                        Yabut...you asked....now you are getting filled in on how things go around here.
                        In short...the place is largely self moderated. Compared to other boards...George has a pretty easy time of it here.
                        I have tools I don't even know I own...

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Teenage_Machinist
                          Gah! I didn't come for an argument! If this dosent stop I'll ask Buliss to toss in a Helicoil.
                          Just so you know - you (and all of us) are only thread starters, not the thread owner. Where they go once started is anyone's guess. Asserting ownership leads to a whole nuther set of social dynamics.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by torker
                            In short...the place is largely self moderated. Compared to other boards...George has a pretty easy time of it here.
                            Geez, I don't know Russ -- I think this board may have had something to do with Neil retiring early
                            I wonder if George knew what he was getting into when he took this part of the job (forum moderation)?

                            Originally posted by YOD
                            And as for the bit about kissing George's arse! I'll publicly kiss it. Thanks George for a great site, I really like it here and that you keep your sword hand out of it until the liberal boundary is reached.
                            That's not a$s kissing, that's genuine gratitude, and I agree -- I appreciate George for putting up with all the crap here, and putting out the occasional fire. Is it just me, or has the signal to noise ratio improved a great deal since Election Day?
                            "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by lazlo
                              Is it just me, or has the signal to noise ratio improved a great deal since Election Day?
                              Yah, but we're between Harbor Freight grinder threads. It's coming.

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                              • #75
                                Here is what I have gathered from years of participation here.

                                Number one, there are no posted rules. Or, if there are, they are lost in the early posts and all my efforts to find any via the archives or the search function are to no avail.

                                Number two, this forum is sponsored by Village Press which is a commercial venture and depends on advertising for it's existence. They pay the bills and that money comes from the advertising in their magazines. So, as I understand it, they are opposed to any advertising that would conflict with that. This is completely understandable. I have seen some posts which pushed at this limit a bit and were tolerated so they are a little flexible here, but not a lot. We should all understand this and support them in it. A house divided can not stand.

                                Number three, even though this is a home shop machining forum, off topic posts are permitted and should be marked "OT". Some subjects, like politics and religion, are less tolerated than others. This is probably because they are more likely to generate ill feelings. Flaming, as it is called, is not good manners either here or in person and should be avoided.

                                Finally, on the subject of "flaming", posts that get too heated are locked by the moderators. This also is good as it will help to prevent ill will. Play nice with others and all that.

                                I like this forum and the way it is handled. It is like a "water cooler" for home shop types. You can discuss machining problems and get good answers. You can discuss other things that interest you and get answers, sometimes good and sometimes bad. I don't know if we actually need real, written rules as it seems to have worked well up to now. I don't envy George if he is trying to write some as it could be a real difficult job. I do kind of like the old answer that I first heard in the 50s or 60s when it was applied to the struggle for a legal definition of pornography, "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it". I think we all understand what is bad behavior here when we see it.

                                If you have a question about posting some particular subject, you could send George a message. I would not make a habit of this as I am sure he is quite busy. In the past when I had questionable topics, I simply did not post them here. There are other boards where they can be posted and I used them. In many cases, many of the members here are there also so it worked quite well. The Practical Machinist board is one such and it even has a forum for commercial posts if that is what you want to do. I am sure there are others that are also tolerant of this.
                                Paul A.
                                SE Texas

                                Make it fit.
                                You can't win and there IS a penalty for trying!

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